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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 3, 2020 17:09:28 GMT 1
What a discussion this is. Why would anyone within the slave trade contemplate the genocide of a people that they mean to continue to enslave and trade? As it would then mean there would be no one to enslave and trade. Your aim is not to eradicate but to exploit. As you can not exploit something that you have eradicated. As mentioned above... Slavery wasn't genocide. It was about exploitation not extermination. Yes, there is absolutely no doubt that many, many people have suffered and died as a result of slavery. That is undeniable. But still, slavery does not automatically equate to genocide. Still not quite got it then? The frail and the elderly haven't got anything you can exploit, some would be killed if they got in the way, the others would die slowly because all the fit for purpose had been taken and enslaved. "But still, slavery does not automatically equate to genocide". Surely it does if you wipe out a village of all the fit and able and, no doubt, kill anyone that tries to stop you? That the fit and able have not been killed and would be enslaved tells me that the intent it exploitation rather than extermination. I just don't think its worth continuing this to be honest Stafford. You think I don't quite get it. I don't think you quite get it. We'll have to agree to disagree. 👍
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 3, 2020 17:29:31 GMT 1
Still not quite got it then? The frail and the elderly haven't got anything you can exploit, some would be killed if they got in the way, the others would die slowly because all the fit for purpose had been taken and enslaved. "But still, slavery does not automatically equate to genocide". Surely it does if you wipe out a village of all the fit and able and, no doubt, kill anyone that tries to stop you? That the fit and able have not been killed and would be enslaved tells me that the intent it exploitation rather than extermination. I just don't think its worth continuing this to be honest Stafford. You think I don't quite get it. I don't think you quite get it. We'll have to agree to disagree. 👍 Yes, let's agree to disagree with Article 2 of the UN convention of human rights which defines genocide as any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. The very slight leeway is the "intent to destroy". Though how you could pillage a group and take away all the able bodied without an intent to destroy the group is a diffcult one.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 18:31:28 GMT 1
/photo/1 Just in case people have forgotten. These are the 'holds' the Israeli security service said they don't use. remind us why they are being held ? it kind of matters at times ? are these regular or are they isolated occurrences ? how long where those positions held for ? they could be suspected suicide bombers or petty shoplifters ? if they are closer to the first description, then in our country we tend to blow their heads off instead of put our knee on it, even if it turns out they were totally innocent Obviously, for passing a dodgy 10 Shekel note.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 18:35:03 GMT 1
What a discussion this is. Why would anyone within the slave trade contemplate the genocide of a people that they mean to continue to enslave and trade? As it would then mean there would be no one to enslave and trade. Your aim is not to eradicate but to exploit. As you can not exploit something that you have eradicated. As mentioned above... Slavery wasn't genocide. It was about exploitation not extermination. Yes, there is absolutely no doubt that many, many people have suffered and died as a result of slavery. That is undeniable. But still, slavery does not automatically equate to genocide. Still not quite got it then? The frail and the elderly haven't got anything you can exploit, some would be killed if they got in the way, the others would die slowly because all the fit for purpose had been taken and enslaved. "But still, slavery does not automatically equate to genocide". Surely it does if you wipe out a village of all the fit and able and, no doubt, kill anyone that tries to stop you? If you remove all those who are fit and able to have children from a group then have you not destroyed the group? Also, slaver traders thought there was an endless supply of black people to trade. In the context of the 16-19 centuries Africa was huge. Wipe one group of indigenous people out, there were more inland to find.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 3, 2020 19:21:34 GMT 1
It's quite clear actually.
Just read what BLM say in the UK. They say they are raising funds for “Developing and delivering training, police monitoring and strategies for the abolition of police”.
They haven't thought that one through, abolish the police and those who have the resurces employ low paid, poorly trained, poorly regulated privateers to make sure they keep what they have. Better to review and revise what we have. For example, some Chief Constable's showed how out of touch they were with their attitude to lockdown policing, where they couldn't wait to impose the rules as they saw them: draconian. Let the ones who did lockdown well take over, Those with an enlightened attitude and an ability to implement the rules in harmony with the public can then apply the same principles to relations with all members of the public and their officers.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 3, 2020 20:21:37 GMT 1
That the fit and able have not been killed and would be enslaved tells me that the intent it exploitation rather than extermination. I just don't think its worth continuing this to be honest Stafford. You think I don't quite get it. I don't think you quite get it. We'll have to agree to disagree. 👍 Yes, let's agree to disagree with Article 2 of the UN convention of human rights which defines genocide as any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. The very slight leeway is the "intent to destroy". Though how you could pillage a group and take away all the able bodied without an intent to destroy the group is a diffcult one. Yes, lets just agree to disagree. You're not quite getting it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2020 7:35:44 GMT 1
remind us why they are being held ? it kind of matters at times ? are these regular or are they isolated occurrences ? how long where those positions held for ? they could be suspected suicide bombers or petty shoplifters ? if they are closer to the first description, then in our country we tend to blow their heads off instead of put our knee on it, even if it turns out they were totally innocent they chose to ignore it ! Was trying to find this. www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-us-police-training-end-knee-neck-protests
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Post by Pilch on Jul 5, 2020 1:14:14 GMT 1
some of me thinks that lad went out of his way to get stopped again, without the build up , we only have a one sided story to go by
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