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Post by martinshrew on Jul 1, 2020 10:32:49 GMT 1
BLM UK shown up as exactly what it is, anti-Semitic, far left and highly politically charged. Sickening mob rule wanting to abolish and lynch everything they don't agree with. Is JC involved?
Fair play to Le Tis, Redknapp, Evra etc questioning the position.
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Post by barrynic on Jul 1, 2020 10:42:56 GMT 1
George Soros is the billionaire behind it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 13:42:32 GMT 1
George Soros has allegedly been the victim of anti-Semitic conspiracy theories and anti-Semitic abuse. In the light of Long-Bailey and her removal from the shadow cabinet, it will be interesting to see people's responses to this on B&A.
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Post by hankmaloysenior on Jul 1, 2020 14:14:33 GMT 1
Echo what others have said that you can fermently support the cause and principle that blacks live matter and also appreciate/understand the Black Lives Matter slogan in the intended context but not support Black Lives Matter the organisation. Karl Henry has some interesting and very accurate observations IMO on his Twitter account.
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Post by davycrockett on Jul 1, 2020 14:29:15 GMT 1
And you can be anti Israel and their treatment of the Palestinians without being anti Semitic ....
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 1, 2020 14:54:36 GMT 1
And you can be anti Israel and their treatment of the Palestinians without being anti Semitic .... I think that's a given to be honest. I don't think anyone is disputing that here anyhow.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 1, 2020 14:58:43 GMT 1
George Soros has allegedly been the victim of anti-Semitic conspiracy theories and anti-Semitic abuse. In the light of Long-Bailey and her removal from the shadow cabinet, it will be interesting to see people's responses to this on B&A. some of us said it would cause more trouble than good right from the start, some of us said the message was clear but not clear enough, some of us said the message would be mis-interpreted, some of us said the message should have been so simple no-one could confuse or abuse it , or hijack it or change it
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jul 1, 2020 17:22:23 GMT 1
It wasn't just an article criticising the state of Israel.
It was an article insinuating police violence against people of colour in the USA was linked to the state of Israel.
Which seems more than a little tenuous considering white supremacy in the USA is about 300 years older than the state of Israel, give or take.
But it's still the Jews fault despite state sponsored violence against people of colour in the USA existing for hundreds of years before Israel did.
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Post by barrynic on Jul 1, 2020 17:42:53 GMT 1
Jeff Stelling not wearing the badge this afternoon.....but others still are.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 17:46:15 GMT 1
It wasn't just an article criticising the state of Israel. It was an article insinuating police violence against people of colour in the USA was linked to the state of Israel. Which seems more than a little tenuous considering white supremacy in the USA is about 300 years older than the state of Israel, give or take. But it's still the Jews fault despite state sponsored violence against people of colour in the USA existing for hundreds of years before Israel did. It's been proven and I have linked sources from Israel that the state of Israel have trained police in the USA. Whether Chauvin was trained directly by Israel is unknown. I go back to my original point when on the relevant thread, If criticising the state of Israel is ant-Semitic (and there's plenty that think it is) then criticising Gulf states is Islamophobic and African states racist. Maxine Peake was accused of stirring an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory. So, anyway, George Soros.....
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jul 1, 2020 18:22:03 GMT 1
Who trains some of your your police is a total red herring.
Law enforcement in the USA has a history of violence against people of colour that spans centuries. American police were killing black people in almost every decade people can remember.
To imply anything relating to Israel is just peddling the myth that ultimately it's the Jews fault. Of course that's an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory.
Is it the Germans fault for making the guns the American police use? China's fault for the boots they wear? Vietnam's fault for making the handcuffs?
No, it's the Jews fault.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 18:39:18 GMT 1
Who trains some of your your police is a total red herring. Law enforcement in the USA has a history of violence against people of colour that spans centuries. American police were killing black people in almost every decade people can remember. To imply anything relating to Israel is just peddling the myth that ultimately it's the Jews fault. Of course that's an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory. Is it the Germans fault for making the guns the American police use? China's fault for the boots they wear? Vietnam's fault for making the handcuffs? No, it's the Jews fault. It's not a red herring is it though. morningstaronline.co.uk/article/minnesota-cops-trained-israeli-forces-restraint-techniquesThe red herring was getting rid of Long-Bailey on AS grounds, when really it was about ideology and getting rid of the last of Corbyn's circle. Activists have campaigned against the arms trade for decades. www.caat.org.uk/#:~:text=Campaign%20Against%20Arms%20Trade%20%28CAAT%29%20is%20a%20UK-based,organisation%20working%20to%20end%20the%20international%20arms%20trade. And while 76% of the population of Israel is Jewish, within that faith there are many differing views on what is anti-Semitic. I linked the support from Labour party members of the Jewish faith for Long-Bailey. So, there's a tenuous link to Peake's article that it's AS and then there's George Soros....
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jul 1, 2020 19:03:11 GMT 1
There are about 10,000 police in Minnesota and 8 years ago 100 of them went to a conference run by the FBI which included some Israeli counter terrorism people doing training.
One of the abiding narratives of the hard left is that it's always the Jews fault.
She's not just retweeting a news story, she's aligning herself with an anti semitic narrative you can trace back to Karl Marx.
If that's being purged from the party then that's a good thing. Even if she didn't mean to do it, it was still a reckless thing to do in the current climate in the party.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 19:16:59 GMT 1
There are about 10,000 police in Minnesota and 8 years ago 100 of them went to a conference run by the FBI which included some Israeli counter terrorism people doing training. One of the abiding narratives of the hard left is that it's always the Jews fault. She's not just retweeting a news story, she's aligning herself with an anti semitic narrative you can trace back to Karl Marx. If that's being purged from the party then that's a good thing. Even if she didn't mean to do it, it was still a reckless thing to do in the current climate in the party. The techniques learned can be passed on. When I was in the RAF, I was given counter-terror training that was delivered by the UK's Counter Terror Police, who in turned learned it from GSG9 (Germans). The point being that techniques are learned by a cadre and passed on through indigenous training. And there you have it, the current climate in the Labour Party. Like I said on here this week, it's a shame people didn't call out the AS when Milliband was Labour Party leader. Or the AS against George Soros, that's been going on for years. It's utter hypocrisy and faux outrage from sections of the Labour Party. And, frankly B&A.
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Post by R6ix on Jul 1, 2020 21:14:34 GMT 1
i think organisations dont give a toss about the blm movement but are desperate to be on board purely to be seen to be on board, so any one within theire fold must tow the line,i for one would never take a knee or demand a statue or icon to be removed,
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Post by barrynic on Jul 1, 2020 21:36:47 GMT 1
Seems like extinction rebellion and BLM are out of the same box!
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Post by Pilch on Jul 1, 2020 21:48:22 GMT 1
i think organisations dont give a toss about the blm movement but are desperate to be on board purely to be seen to be on board, so any one within theire fold must tow the line,i for one would never take a knee or demand a statue or icon to be removed, exactly im shocked we haven't had a pop song yet and premier players, if you think you are a big name not only do you have to kneel , you have to hold your fist up too
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Post by barrynic on Jul 1, 2020 21:53:19 GMT 1
Bbc distancing itself from BLM saying the cause has been hijacked.
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Post by jamo on Jul 1, 2020 22:22:48 GMT 1
Only on B&A would you have someone connecting Karl Marx and Maxine Peake as a justification of their protection of the state of Israel
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Post by Pilch on Jul 2, 2020 1:46:57 GMT 1
Only on B&A would you have someone connecting Karl Marx and Maxine Peake as a justification of their protection of the state of Israel Do t worry It could have been harpo Marx , Dominic Cummings & Israel Speak no evil see no evil hear no evil
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 7:08:54 GMT 1
Only on B&A would you have someone connecting Karl Marx and Maxine Peake as a justification of their protection of the state of Israel I know made me chuckle. People seem comfortable with with the George Soros AS as well...
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 2, 2020 8:02:06 GMT 1
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 2, 2020 8:03:26 GMT 1
Only on B&A would you have someone connecting Karl Marx and Maxine Peake as a justification of their protection of the state of Israel Do t worry It could have been harpo Marx , Dominic Cummings & Israel Speak no evil see no evil hear no evil That's got about as much credibility as some of the other stuff we're seeing around the debate Pilch, go with it.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 2, 2020 8:22:45 GMT 1
Bbc distancing itself from BLM saying the cause has been hijacked. I think Sky have said something similar. Perhaps explains how they have come to make a bit of a mess of this. As surely if anyone is hijacking anything its the BBC, Sky and everyone else who have fallen over themselves to associate themselves with this movement. A movement that is and always has been, political. To suggest that Black Lives Matters has hijacked "Black Lives Matter" is a bit of an give away that they might not have really known what they were getting on board with.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 8:51:14 GMT 1
And you can be anti Israel and their treatment of the Palestinians without being anti Semitic .... Well, that clearly depends on your own individual politics it appears.
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