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Post by theshrews81 on May 7, 2020 14:48:31 GMT 1
How does the app worth? I seldom have Bluetooth turned on and I heard it works through Bluetooth? Simple solution .... turn it on if you’ve got the app....... there you go and I’m no scientist 👍 Really useful answer. Definitely helps ease concerns
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Post by vixenshrew on May 7, 2020 14:57:58 GMT 1
I’m up for it. Happy to do it to get rid of this blooming virus and get back to the footy grounds.⚽️⚽️.. on the downside tho back to work too 😫
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Post by staffordshrew on May 7, 2020 14:58:11 GMT 1
The other thing South Korea had was an army or people visiting and revisiting those in quarantine to encourage compliance as well as tracing contacts. For the UK a figure of 15,000 has been mentioned. SO the bulk of the work is going to fall elsewhere, presumably local authorities. The Army - with guns!
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on May 7, 2020 15:03:20 GMT 1
It must be a generational thing. I have very little online presence and rarely shop online. I’ve never seen a political ad on my laptop and rarely see a targeted ad for any type of merchandise. Three or four of us had a brief conversation about piano lessons in our house recenly - not on a phone. Next day, I'm getting ads for piano tuition when I'm online. Alexa? My sister in law was chatting to a friend about long ago holidays in Ibiza and got holiday ads within the hour. She blames Alexa.
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Post by staffordshrew on May 7, 2020 15:03:49 GMT 1
Great ethos. I hope the majority share this I've been in bed with the damned thing for the last 5 days and I've never felt so rough since I had glandular fever 40 odd years ago. I never thought in a month of Sunday's that I would get it. I live in a rural community, have applied social distancing and apart from my daily country walks have stayed in. I honestly thought that I was being so careful and yet... Get well soon! Are you having a test to confirm it's Cov 19? Antibodies in 28 days time and immunity could mean that you are one of the chosen few to attend the next home match with a crowd.
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Post by venceremos on May 7, 2020 15:45:50 GMT 1
I’m ignorant (obviously) about this, can you expand? It's the normalisation of gathering personal data. At the moment it's things like targeted ads. For example, exerting influence on issues like Brexit and the GE. Right now on my laptop I have ads asking if I want to buy a particular shoe, or female underwear (my better half has obviously been browsing). Cameras in the street, at football matches and protest marches have been normalised for years. No one bats an eyelid any more. What we need to guard against, when you consider that a whole generation have grown up with electronic devices glued to their hands, is where data gathering will lead to in the future. So, while a tracking app for Covid-19 is a good idea in theory, we need to know where such technology leads us to in the future. Thanks for the reply, nicko, and apologies to TST that I didn't get around to it. I concur with all that nicko's said. I'm not opposed to data collection per se and of course it can have real value (not just commercial) - obviously the virus tracking is a great example. My misgivings with any data harvesting are around who's doing the harvesting, why are they doing it, how are they doing it, what will they do with it, what will happen to it when they've used it, how secure is it at all stages, who else might also be interested in - and obtain access to - it and so on, back through the same questions. I follow a data analyst on Twitter. He's not a likeable character but his analysis throughout the brexit turbulence (happy days!) and the election was absolutely spot on, even when everyone else seemed to be confident he was wrong. His summary of this? "An app from the British government which accesses your device, geodata etc? Nope. It's warfare tech and if you think they won't do anything else with it, you're off your pickle." He knows way more about this stuff than me and, as I said, his track record has been alarmingly accurate. I'm in no position to say he's wrong here. As I understand it, other governments have given much more meaningful reassurances on the data security/future use aspects of their approved tracking apps and the fact that our government hasn't gone that far (not to mention the Cummings/Warner data manipulation geeks running the UK's app) simply leaves me feeling too suspicious of the app to want to engage with it. At least we all have a free choice.
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Post by venceremos on May 7, 2020 15:47:32 GMT 1
Three or four of us had a brief conversation about piano lessons in our house recenly - not on a phone. Next day, I'm getting ads for piano tuition when I'm online. Alexa? My sister in law was chatting to a friend about long ago holidays in Ibiza and got holiday ads within the hour. She blames Alexa. Yes, probably, the sneaky, snitchy home help in the corner - although I'm still not sure the conversation took place in that room!
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2020 15:52:02 GMT 1
I've been in bed with the damned thing for the last 5 days and I've never felt so rough since I had glandular fever 40 odd years ago. I never thought in a month of Sunday's that I would get it. I live in a rural community, have applied social distancing and apart from my daily country walks have stayed in. I honestly thought that I was being so careful and yet... Get well soon! Are you having a test to confirm it's Cov 19? Antibodies in 28 days time and immunity could mean that you are one of the chosen few to attend the next home match with a crowd. Thank you. I hope I do get offered the test at some point but at the moment it's just a question of waiting.
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Post by staffordshrew on May 7, 2020 15:54:34 GMT 1
Alexa? My sister in law was chatting to a friend about long ago holidays in Ibiza and got holiday ads within the hour. She blames Alexa. Yes, probably, the sneaky, snitchy home help in the corner - although I'm still not sure the conversation took place in that room! As they say. Walls have ears, they put them in the pork pies you know!
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Post by venceremos on May 7, 2020 16:01:52 GMT 1
Yes, probably, the sneaky, snitchy home help in the corner - although I'm still not sure the conversation took place in that room! As they say. Walls have ears, they put them in the pork pies you know! We're vegetarian, they must have got to the carrots.
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Post by northwestman on May 7, 2020 20:07:59 GMT 1
The NHS contact-tracing app has been hit by a series of glitches on the first day of its roll-out on the Isle of Wight, which saw residents saying it did not work on phones that are only four years old.
Islanders used social media to vent frustrations over the app with others complaining it drained their phone battery or was bombarding them with multiple notifications.
The bugs come as the NHS is considering ditching its own model of the app and switching over to the system preferred by Apple and Google.
Daily Telegraph.
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Post by indalo on May 7, 2020 20:24:50 GMT 1
Just can't think of any good reason for having a system which is unique to UK. When global travel starts again this would presumably be useless to both UK residents traveling abroad and to foreign nationals coming here in the event of another flare up. Don't think for one moment though that Apple and Google won't harvest your data.
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Post by Dale on May 7, 2020 20:52:28 GMT 1
I think I will download it, but I don't expect my parents to have it as they rely on me or my sister to download any new apps on their phones!
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Post by neilsalop on May 8, 2020 7:50:44 GMT 1
It must be a generational thing. I have very little online presence and rarely shop online. I’ve never seen a political ad on my laptop and rarely see a targeted ad for any type of merchandise. Three or four of us had a brief conversation about piano lessons in our house recenly - not on a phone. Next day, I'm getting ads for piano tuition when I'm online. Who'd have thought that Roz would get a job working for Facebook?
Me and the missus were in the garden and were talking about getting the barbeque cleaned out, ready for the summer and two hours later I had ads for barbeque equipment on my FB feed.
I won't be downloading the app until it is required for travel purposes and even then I probably won't be enabling it. I am not anal about my privacy, but equally I don't prescribe to the 'I've got nothing to hide' mentality either.
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Post by stfcfan87 on May 8, 2020 9:42:10 GMT 1
It's ok they've appointed a new lead to oversee it all. Dido Harding, who was in charge of talk talk..... although during their big data breach
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Post by northwestman on May 8, 2020 12:05:51 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/may/07/uk-may-ditch-nhs-contact-tracing-app-for-apple-and-google-modelThe government has left open the prospect of ditching its own contact-tracing app in favour of the “decentralised” model favoured by Apple and Google after it was revealed that a feasibility study into such a change is under way. After repeated warnings that the UK will be an outlier if it insists on using its own centralised app rather than relying on Google and Apple’s technology, rights groups and MPs said on Thursday that the lack of privacy and data protections could mean that the app would be illegal. With growing questions over that approach, it emerged that the Swiss-based consultancy Zühlke Engineering has been hired to undertake a two-week “technical spike” to investigate implementing Apple and Google’s system “within the existing proximity mobile application and platform”.
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 8, 2020 12:42:07 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/may/07/uk-may-ditch-nhs-contact-tracing-app-for-apple-and-google-modelThe government has left open the prospect of ditching its own contact-tracing app in favour of the “decentralised” model favoured by Apple and Google after it was revealed that a feasibility study into such a change is under way. After repeated warnings that the UK will be an outlier if it insists on using its own centralised app rather than relying on Google and Apple’s technology, rights groups and MPs said on Thursday that the lack of privacy and data protections could mean that the app would be illegal. With growing questions over that approach, it emerged that the Swiss-based consultancy Zühlke Engineering has been hired to undertake a two-week “technical spike” to investigate implementing Apple and Google’s system “within the existing proximity mobile application and platform”. concerns were raised at the time they were ignored and we might now face a costly u turn
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Post by staffordshrew on May 9, 2020 20:59:09 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/may/07/uk-may-ditch-nhs-contact-tracing-app-for-apple-and-google-modelThe government has left open the prospect of ditching its own contact-tracing app in favour of the “decentralised” model favoured by Apple and Google after it was revealed that a feasibility study into such a change is under way. After repeated warnings that the UK will be an outlier if it insists on using its own centralised app rather than relying on Google and Apple’s technology, rights groups and MPs said on Thursday that the lack of privacy and data protections could mean that the app would be illegal. With growing questions over that approach, it emerged that the Swiss-based consultancy Zühlke Engineering has been hired to undertake a two-week “technical spike” to investigate implementing Apple and Google’s system “within the existing proximity mobile application and platform”. To be fair, there is no world concensus and other countries have gone off on their own. We just had the advantage of being able to learn from other countries, so we had the mad rush to do something, to appease the meia, and now we have the evaluation and a possible embarassing outcome. It's a well troddem path, like buying loads of stuff from China, antibody tests, etc. to appease the nedia and plane loads of non batch tested ppe from Toukey, to appease the media again. Some joined up government thinking and strength required. Tell the media we won't be buying loads of antibody tests, ppe or setting up an app until we have evaluated what's on offer.
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Post by northwestman on May 10, 2020 16:07:30 GMT 1
The Government’s coronavirus contract tracing app has been downloaded by just 40 per cent of people on the Isle of Wight, where it is being trialed, as concerns have been raised that self-reporting symptoms leaves it open to abuse.
The smartphone download called NHSX alerts mobile phone users if they have come into contact with someone with Covid-19 symptoms.
Bluetooth technology records when users are near each other, and if someone reports that they have developed symptoms, anyone they have been in close proximity to will be alerted and warned to self-isolate.
Robert Jenrick, Secretary of State for Housing, Communities and Local Government said on Sunday morning that around 50,000 people have downloaded the NHS app in one week, which represents less than half of the island’s population.
If the app is to be effective when it is rolled out, it must be downloaded and used by 60 per cent of Britons, Professor Christophe Fraser, who is leading the Oxford University team developing it, has warned.
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Post by thesensationaljt on May 10, 2020 16:21:31 GMT 1
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Post by venceremos on May 11, 2020 18:23:30 GMT 1
I'm on here but with no more of an axe to grind than you. You're free to give the government (present and future), its clients (present and future), the breachers of its data security (present and future) and anyone else as much of yourself as you like. Many people agree with your point of view. I'm free not to. Many people agree with my point of view. Each to their own.
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Post by staffordshrew on May 27, 2020 13:38:50 GMT 1
Seems a slight anomoly as there is talk of being asked to self isolate for 14 days if you have had close contact, less than six feet for more than 15 minutes, but the diagram says that's only high risk people. The app just finds the other passengers on a bus type situation (closer than 6 ft for more than 15 mins, but you didn't know them). The contact tracing team will discuss with those without an app to find out those they know and have been in closer contact than 6ft for more than 15 minutes with. Personally, I don't intend to get into a situation where I am in closer contact than six feet for more than 15 minutes with anyone that I don't know for quite a while - until Shrewsbury play again and I judge watching a risk worth taking - even then, I may not know them, but Shrewsbury Town FC does, I expect there will be a clause in the ticket details that says I accept they can give details of ticket holders to the NHS check and trace team. Doesn't say what happens if I am in closer contact than 6 ft for 1 minute, but they cough. link How will contact tracing work in England?
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Post by stfcfan87 on Jun 18, 2020 13:57:26 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/may/07/uk-may-ditch-nhs-contact-tracing-app-for-apple-and-google-modelThe government has left open the prospect of ditching its own contact-tracing app in favour of the “decentralised” model favoured by Apple and Google after it was revealed that a feasibility study into such a change is under way. After repeated warnings that the UK will be an outlier if it insists on using its own centralised app rather than relying on Google and Apple’s technology, rights groups and MPs said on Thursday that the lack of privacy and data protections could mean that the app would be illegal. With growing questions over that approach, it emerged that the Swiss-based consultancy Zühlke Engineering has been hired to undertake a two-week “technical spike” to investigate implementing Apple and Google’s system “within the existing proximity mobile application and platform”. concerns were raised at the time they were ignored and we might now face a costly u turn Another U-turn! www.bbc.com/news/technology-53095336
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 18, 2020 14:57:28 GMT 1
We could have plumped for the Apple/Google version weeks ago.
We could have done the contact tracing we are doing now throughout.
Shambles!
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Post by northwestman on Jun 18, 2020 15:03:55 GMT 1
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jun 18, 2020 15:06:24 GMT 1
No doubt Matt Hancock will put a positive spin on it, and deny that anything could have been done better.
My head is spinning with these u turns.
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Post by shrewder on Jun 18, 2020 15:09:31 GMT 1
I won't be downloading the Cr aap.
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Post by shrewder on Jun 18, 2020 15:10:17 GMT 1
Or even the Cr app.
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Post by venceremos on Jun 18, 2020 15:12:17 GMT 1
I'm sure the government is doing its best ……. it's just that its best is clearly not good enough and never really has been.
Still not convinced that a system relying on everyone having fully charged smartphones switched on and with them at all times is going to be a virus-beater, but at least the data security and privacy issues seem better covered by this system.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 18, 2020 15:13:16 GMT 1
I suspect the biggest issue is too many people not too dissimilar to yourself set out to ensure it fails by doing exactly what you shouldn't do when using it, or deliberately not using it etc its a bit like lockdown, works perfect if you follow the instructions
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