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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2020 12:40:49 GMT 1
Who will be downloading this, I will
If not why not?
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Post by venceremos on May 5, 2020 12:50:23 GMT 1
Not me. I've got something to hide. I call it my privacy.
Besides, I often don't bother to carry my phone with me anyway. I'm not a slave to it.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on May 5, 2020 13:01:52 GMT 1
Mrs ST is in touch with a group of people in the Isle if Wight via a shared interest in family history. Not one of them owns a smart phone!
It also occurs to me that if you don't want your whereabouts known you'd leave your phone at home.
The success of the app relies on a majority of people being able and willing to use it.
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Post by northwestman on May 5, 2020 13:08:23 GMT 1
Nor me. I've never owned a smart phone, and have operated with a basic Nokia for many years.
I'd imagine quite a few in the Isle of Wight don't have one either, bearing in mind it has quite a significant elderly population.
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Post by northwestman on May 5, 2020 13:13:51 GMT 1
Just watching BBC news. The Government will apparently regard a 50% take up of the app on the IOW as being sufficient for the trial to be valid.
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Post by staffordshrew on May 5, 2020 13:26:36 GMT 1
If I ever use one of those smartphones I press some wrong button, cut myself off and hand it back to the owner. If the government want to give me a smartphone I would give it a try, I can use a tablet, so a phone the size that Dom Jolley used to have might be ok.
Will note who I might be associating with so that, should I have symptoms, their contacts won't be far off mine.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2020 13:34:54 GMT 1
I will, but I’m already using an app anyway. I’ve heard reports the Dominic Cummings brother is something to do with the company that have designed the app which worries me a little.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on May 5, 2020 13:37:41 GMT 1
Call me naive but I don’t think anyone could get away with some sort of spying on something so high profile and important.
I also expect the reaction on this thread won’t be representative of the general population because of the demographic of message board users.
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Post by thesensationaljt on May 5, 2020 13:47:42 GMT 1
I've got a smartphone but I'm useless on it. When we were on holiday the rep said to me, "Have you got the app?".
I said, "No, these shorts are a bit tight".
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Post by Worthingshrew on May 5, 2020 14:02:16 GMT 1
I will as I want this lockdown ended ASAP. Main question is how much contact is deemed to be significant in order to need to alert others.
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Post by northwestman on May 5, 2020 14:09:48 GMT 1
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Post by davycrockett on May 5, 2020 14:19:04 GMT 1
Not me. I've got something to hide. I call it my privacy. Besides, I often don't bother to carry my phone with me anyway. I'm not a slave to it. Just the attitude that will make it fail. Thanks 👍 Ill use it as it seems to work in Asian country’s... we need to change habits and work together to get through this.
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Post by highlandshrew on May 5, 2020 14:29:30 GMT 1
I'm happy to install and use an app and have no problems with anyone knowing where I've been if it will help to start getting back to a normal life for everyone.
However, the one thing which will put me off is the thought of someone lining their own pockets out of it - particularly if it is anything to do with the despicable Dominic Cumming. That Guardian article raises some pretty shocking issues if true.
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Post by staffordshrew on May 5, 2020 14:47:06 GMT 1
No real privacy issues currently as you can't do much anyway. Main thing will be a foolproof way to ensure it's cleared off phones when it's finished with.
No fan of Cummings, but prepared to believe that if people he knows are involved it's purely because he's calling in favours. I don't think he is daft enough to get involved in money making or anything on any app produced as he would be completly ruined when the media or parliament found out, and they would.
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Post by Pilch on May 5, 2020 15:02:08 GMT 1
Not me. I've got something to hide. I call it my privacy. Besides, I often don't bother to carry my phone with me anyway. I'm not a slave to it. I think its more about going out of your way to help rather than doing what you normally do
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 5, 2020 15:02:56 GMT 1
it is a good idea anything to move things along and help the nhs has my support, i would imagine there will be a big take up from most age groups, certanly any one wanting to go back to work or in public services will download it.
i have a mobile but it is very old and i only use it if i am going up in the mountains or driving to call somone if i had a problem. it does texts and i can phone somone i dont need anything else.
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Post by davycrockett on May 5, 2020 15:08:55 GMT 1
Perhaps if part of the lock down relaxation includes ‘starting with those using the app’ or your allowed to go to certain places (Wales) if your using the app would focus minds....
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on May 5, 2020 15:10:35 GMT 1
I would download it if it was available, but I guess it isn’t relevant to those of us who are self isolating as we wouldn’t generate any useful information.
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Post by SeanBroseley on May 5, 2020 15:15:44 GMT 1
No.
There are already existing solutions that do more to respect privacy without government momney being splashed on a crony to reinvent the wheel.
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Post by jamo on May 5, 2020 15:16:32 GMT 1
I’m undecided at the moment.
On the face of it anything that helps speed the process of getting on top of this virus has to be welcomed but I simply do not trust the people in charge of this and that is holding me back.
I get that this has worked in South Korea and other Asian countries but that was because they were on top of this from the absolute outset. They didn’t phaff about for 5 weeks like we did and then were then still woefully under -prepared when we needed to be. It feels to me very much like a damage limitation exercise by a government continually playing catch up.
Hope it is successful and I will probably eventually sign up to it, albeit very reluctantly
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Post by northwestman on May 5, 2020 15:16:55 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/30/google-executive--part-in-sage-meeting-coronavirus-tech-firm-confirmsGoogle has confirmed that one of its senior executives participated in the UK government’s scientific advisory group on Covid-19, raising further questions about the composition of the secretive committee. Demis Hassabis, a co–founder of Google’s artificial intelligence division, DeepMind, attended a meeting of the scientific advisory group for emergencies (Sage) on 18 March, when the group was considering whether the UK should go into lockdown. While Hassabis is considered a world-leading AI researcher, the presence on Sage of an executive from a Silicon Valley company that has been exploring ways to profit from using big data in the health industry is likely to deepen controversy about the group. DeepMind previously processed millions of healthcare records from an NHS hospital trust as part of a scheme to design a diagnostic app, in an arrangement subsequently found to have contravened data protection law. The spokesperson said Hassabis was a full participant in the meeting and was not required to sign a non-disclosure agreement. The spokesperson said they did not know whether the request to involve Hassabis in Sage came from the prime minister’s chief adviser, Dominic Cummings, as has been reported. The Guardian revealed last week that Cummings and Ben Warner, a Downing Street data scientist with whom Cummings worked on the Vote Leave campaign for Brexit, have been attending meetings of the group. Warner is a former principal at Faculty, an artificial intelligence startup run by his brother Marc Warner, which is currently working on an “unprecedented” health data-mining operation that is part of the government’s response to the coronavirus outbreak.
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Post by venceremos on May 5, 2020 15:19:23 GMT 1
Not me. I've got something to hide. I call it my privacy. Besides, I often don't bother to carry my phone with me anyway. I'm not a slave to it. Just the attitude that will make it fail. Thanks 👍 Ill use it as it seems to work in Asian country’s... we need to change habits and work together to get through this. Privacy might not matter much to you but it does to me - not just mine, but everybody's right to privacy. I take it seriously because I have to; my business has to be registered and pay the Information Commissioner's Office every year because it retains basic client information. I admit I was being flippant with my reply but I'm not comfortable with what I've read and seen about the data privacy issues surrounding this app, the data that will be retained and the possibility of its being used in a different context in future. As I understand it, there are other ways in which this could be done (I saw a lawyer on TV this morning explaining the crucial difference between the UK's version and that of other European countries). I freely admit that anything to do with data collection, Dominic Cummings & Marc Warner makes me distinctly uneasy. By all means sign up if you're relaxed about it but have some respect for those who think differently - and don't presume to take the moral high ground. We will get through this, no doubt, but we are not an "Asian country" and we need to get through this without casually sacrificing more of our hard won freedoms and rights to privacy. With every step we take down that road, there's no going back.
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Post by venceremos on May 5, 2020 15:21:59 GMT 1
Perhaps if part of the lock down relaxation includes ‘starting with those using the app’ or your allowed to go to certain places (Wales) if your using the app would focus minds.... Perhaps those people could have a chip implanted, for ease of use ….
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Post by venceremos on May 5, 2020 15:22:56 GMT 1
Not me. I've got something to hide. I call it my privacy. Besides, I often don't bother to carry my phone with me anyway. I'm not a slave to it. I think its more about going out of your way to help rather than doing what you normally do I don't think it's that simple.
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May 5, 2020 15:59:52 GMT 1
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Post by shrewder on May 5, 2020 15:59:52 GMT 1
As regards privacy, it has just been stated by an expert on BBC 24 that we probably give more information away when we go to the supermarket and pay by card and use our loyalty card.
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Post by staffordshrew on May 5, 2020 16:28:52 GMT 1
As regards privacy, it has just been stated by an expert on BBC 24 that we probably give more information away when we go to the supermarket and pay by card and use our loyalty card. Those number plate recognition cameras know where you drive. Face recognition cameras now know you in the supermarket and your Facebook and social media images are harvested. Privacy? The horse has already bolted.
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Post by shrewder on May 5, 2020 16:34:27 GMT 1
As regards privacy, it has just been stated by an expert on BBC 24 that we probably give more information away when we go to the supermarket and pay by card and use our loyalty card. Those number plate recognition cameras know where you drive. Face recognition cameras now know you in the supermarket and your Facebook and social media images are harvested. Privacy? The horse has already bolted. Exactly
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Post by northwestman on May 5, 2020 16:37:42 GMT 1
I think the concern is more about who is making money out of this app rather than privacy issues.
And whilst on this subject, I note that my M.P. Owen Paterson is being paid £8,333 a month for 16 hours a month 'work' for Randox Laboratories Ltd, a Northern Ireland firm which produces swabs. That's just short of £100,000 a year, which is more than his MP's salary of £81,932!
Throw in allowances to cover the costs of running an office and employing staff (a number of M.P.s have employed relatives in the past) and maintaining a constituency residence and a residence in London, plus 24 hours a year for £12,000 with Lynn's Country Foods Ltd (processor of sausages) and he's not doing too badly.
How you qualify as a consultant for a company which produces swabs and one that produces sausages I've no idea. He's also been a consultant in the past for Hi Peak Feeds which produces animal feed - £4,166 for 8 hours a month for nearly 2 years.
I think we can all draw our own conclusions!
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2020 17:48:59 GMT 1
Not me. I've got something to hide. I call it my privacy. Besides, I often don't bother to carry my phone with me anyway. I'm not a slave to it. I think its more about going out of your way to help rather than doing what you normally do I'll definitely load it up once it becomes available and I will carry my phone with me more than I do now. If by doing this can help, in any small way to bring this virus under control then count me in.
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Post by SeanBroseley on May 5, 2020 18:00:31 GMT 1
The other thing South Korea had was an army or people visiting and revisiting those in quarantine to encourage compliance as well as tracing contacts. For the UK a figure of 15,000 has been mentioned. SO the bulk of the work is going to fall elsewhere, presumably local authorities.
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