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Post by claphamshrew on May 5, 2020 18:15:27 GMT 1
Most people with iPhones will already have ‘significant locations’ turned on without knowing it (check under settings > privacy > location services > system services).
This tracks everywhere you’ve been and at what time, for how long and on what day. Quite handy the following morning if you had a few too many sherbets to find out exactly where you went and how you got home!
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Post by venceremos on May 5, 2020 18:22:21 GMT 1
As regards privacy, it has just been stated by an expert on BBC 24 that we probably give more information away when we go to the supermarket and pay by card and use our loyalty card. Those number plate recognition cameras know where you drive. Face recognition cameras now know you in the supermarket and your Facebook and social media images are harvested. Privacy? The horse has already bolted. No it hasn't, we're still in the early stages. If AI expands unchecked and governments and big business have unfettered (or lightly fettered) access to our data (collectively, our most valuable asset) the world will become a very different place. We've seen nothing yet. Those who are so relaxed about these intrusions had better hope that all future governments and those in positions of power are benign and contain nobody wishing to sell, steal, use or manipulate data for nefarious purposes. I can only admire your optimism.
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Post by welshshrew on May 5, 2020 21:12:10 GMT 1
The other thing South Korea had was an army or people visiting and revisiting those in quarantine to encourage compliance as well as tracing contacts. For the UK a figure of 15,000 has been mentioned. SO the bulk of the work is going to fall elsewhere, presumably local authorities. That’s what one might expect. And we are are already organising ourselves as best we can with partners on a sub regional footing to try and get prepared for this, because if one thing is for sure, the detail from central government will follow long after the announcements have been made. Whether this is achievable? The trick will probably be to start small. A good question remains how many of the 18,000 tracers have been recruited, how they will be deployed and to whom they will work. Another good question is where will your data go en route to your GP. Ill happily download the app once all the details are clear.
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Post by Pilch on May 5, 2020 22:02:13 GMT 1
I think its more about going out of your way to help rather than doing what you normally do I don't think it's that simple. If you are worried about privacy then its a bit late for that, they already store your usage, movement , texts, searches , location and more, this is about attempting to help tackle the virus, will probably turn out to be of no use but I certainly don't think anyone needs to question it , just sign up , carry your phone if you go out and who knows you could help save the life of people you didn't even know
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Post by theshrews81 on May 5, 2020 22:11:20 GMT 1
How does the app worth? I seldom have Bluetooth turned on and I heard it works through Bluetooth?
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Post by theshrews81 on May 5, 2020 22:12:43 GMT 1
P.s. I am guessing all the people complaining about privacy haven't fully read the T+C on here and don't have FB, Twitter etc. Accounts? All with very questionable data protection histories
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Post by venceremos on May 5, 2020 23:20:41 GMT 1
I don't think it's that simple. If you are worried about privacy then its a bit late for that, they already store your usage, movement , texts, searches , location and more, this is about attempting to help tackle the virus, will probably turn out to be of no use but I certainly don't think anyone needs to question it , just sign up , carry your phone if you go out and who knows you could help save the life of people you didn't even know I disagree that it’s a bit late to worry about privacy. People thinking that the current use of our data by governments, businesses and other agencies has reached its limits and won’t further erode our privacy and freedoms are like someone thinking we’d reached the limits of technology when the PC became widespread. In the words of Karen Carpenter, “we’ve only just begun”.
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Post by Pilch on May 6, 2020 0:20:15 GMT 1
If you are worried about privacy then its a bit late for that, they already store your usage, movement , texts, searches , location and more, this is about attempting to help tackle the virus, will probably turn out to be of no use but I certainly don't think anyone needs to question it , just sign up , carry your phone if you go out and who knows you could help save the life of people you didn't even know I disagree that it’s a bit late to worry about privacy. People thinking that the current use of our data by governments, businesses and other agencies has reached its limits and won’t further erode our privacy and freedoms are like someone thinking we’d reached the limits of technology when the PC became widespread. In the words of Karen Carpenter, “we’ve only just begun”. speaking of her, she's probably still be around today if she hadn't been so paranoid about what she read in the papers
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Post by stfcfan87 on May 6, 2020 0:31:27 GMT 1
I'm unsure
We're being asked to trust the government with our information....where's that Russian hacking report that was supposed to be published 6months or so gone?!
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Post by davycrockett on May 6, 2020 8:20:03 GMT 1
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Post by stfcfan87 on May 6, 2020 8:41:35 GMT 1
Yep. Grenfell and windrush seem to be hardly mentioned now either. In fact where are the grenfell survivors living now?!
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 10:43:51 GMT 1
I don't think it's that simple. If you are worried about privacy then its a bit late for that, they already store your usage, movement , texts, searches , location and more, this is about attempting to help tackle the virus, will probably turn out to be of no use but I certainly don't think anyone needs to question it , just sign up , carry your phone if you go out and who knows you could help save the life of people you didn't even know Downloading this app is not going to be compulsory so if anyone is concerned about their privacy then it's simple, just don't use it when the time comes.
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Post by davycrockett on May 6, 2020 10:45:18 GMT 1
If you are worried about privacy then its a bit late for that, they already store your usage, movement , texts, searches , location and more, this is about attempting to help tackle the virus, will probably turn out to be of no use but I certainly don't think anyone needs to question it , just sign up , carry your phone if you go out and who knows you could help save the life of people you didn't even know Downloading this app is not going to be compulsory so if anyone is concerned about their privacy then it's simple, just don't use it when the time comes. And if that person catches the virus and spreads it about we’re back at square 1......
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on May 6, 2020 11:31:21 GMT 1
I’ve always been puzzled by the privacy issue, I accept that I lead a dull and uneventful life and feel sorry for the people who monitor my online activity.
They have a very boring job.
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Post by venceremos on May 6, 2020 13:30:53 GMT 1
I disagree that it’s a bit late to worry about privacy. People thinking that the current use of our data by governments, businesses and other agencies has reached its limits and won’t further erode our privacy and freedoms are like someone thinking we’d reached the limits of technology when the PC became widespread. In the words of Karen Carpenter, “we’ve only just begun”. speaking of her, she's probably still be around today if she hadn't been so paranoid about what she read in the papers That reads like a classic example of false equivalence. You're free to believe the reassuring government utterances as if there'd been no instances of data manipulation and misuse in recent history. I'm free not to take them at face value. I can live with more trusting folk thinking that's paranoia.
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Post by venceremos on May 6, 2020 13:35:58 GMT 1
I’ve always been puzzled by the privacy issue, I accept that I lead a dull and uneventful life and feel sorry for the people who monitor my online activity. They have a very boring job. What you have done is of little or no interest. What you will do in future is the object - and we're gradually forfeiting our ability to influence that.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on May 6, 2020 14:35:33 GMT 1
I’ve always been puzzled by the privacy issue, I accept that I lead a dull and uneventful life and feel sorry for the people who monitor my online activity. They have a very boring job. What you have done is of little or no interest. What you will do in future is the object - and we're gradually forfeiting our ability to influence that. I’m ignorant (obviously) about this, can you expand?
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 19:37:31 GMT 1
What you have done is of little or no interest. What you will do in future is the object - and we're gradually forfeiting our ability to influence that. I’m ignorant (obviously) about this, can you expand? It's the normalisation of gathering personal data. At the moment it's things like targeted ads. For example, exerting influence on issues like Brexit and the GE. Right now on my laptop I have ads asking if I want to buy a particular shoe, or female underwear (my better half has obviously been browsing). Cameras in the street, at football matches and protest marches have been normalised for years. No one bats an eyelid any more. What we need to guard against, when you consider that a whole generation have grown up with electronic devices glued to their hands, is where data gathering will lead to in the future. So, while a tracking app for Covid-19 is a good idea in theory, we need to know where such technology leads us to in the future.
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Post by Pilch on May 6, 2020 21:41:20 GMT 1
speaking of her, she's probably still be around today if she hadn't been so paranoid about what she read in the papers That reads like a classic example of false equivalence. You're free to believe the reassuring government utterances as if there'd been no instances of data manipulation and misuse in recent history. I'm free not to take them at face value. I can live with more trusting folk thinking that's paranoia. imagine if you turn out to be the only one in the country that doesn't install the app, alarm bells will flag up your name at MI6 HQ
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Post by Valerioch on May 6, 2020 22:12:05 GMT 1
Just the attitude that will make it fail. Thanks 👍 Ill use it as it seems to work in Asian country’s... we need to change habits and work together to get through this. Privacy might not matter much to you but it does to me - not just mine, but everybody's right to privacy. I take it seriously because I have to; my business has to be registered and pay the Information Commissioner's Office every year because it retains basic client information. I admit I was being flippant with my reply but I'm not comfortable with what I've read and seen about the data privacy issues surrounding this app, the data that will be retained and the possibility of its being used in a different context in future. As I understand it, there are other ways in which this could be done (I saw a lawyer on TV this morning explaining the crucial difference between the UK's version and that of other European countries). I freely admit that anything to do with data collection, Dominic Cummings & Marc Warner makes me distinctly uneasy. By all means sign up if you're relaxed about it but have some respect for those who think differently - and don't presume to take the moral high ground. We will get through this, no doubt, but we are not an "Asian country" and we need to get through this without casually sacrificing more of our hard won freedoms and rights to privacy. With every step we take down that road, there's no going back. What use is privacy if we’re all dead or bankrupt from Corona? I’ll certainly be downloading it. I have nothing to hide, apart from the fact I probably spend too long in the pub
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Post by Valerioch on May 6, 2020 22:13:38 GMT 1
I think its more about going out of your way to help rather than doing what you normally do I'll definitely load it up once it becomes available and I will carry my phone with me more than I do now. If by doing this can help, in any small way to bring this virus under control then count me in. Great ethos. I hope the majority share this
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Post by Valerioch on May 6, 2020 22:16:24 GMT 1
How does the app worth? I seldom have Bluetooth turned on and I heard it works through Bluetooth? I don’t know what phone you have, but my iPhone has Bluetooth on 100% of the time. It’s a simple click of the Settings app
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Post by venceremos on May 6, 2020 22:39:26 GMT 1
Privacy might not matter much to you but it does to me - not just mine, but everybody's right to privacy. I take it seriously because I have to; my business has to be registered and pay the Information Commissioner's Office every year because it retains basic client information. I admit I was being flippant with my reply but I'm not comfortable with what I've read and seen about the data privacy issues surrounding this app, the data that will be retained and the possibility of its being used in a different context in future. As I understand it, there are other ways in which this could be done (I saw a lawyer on TV this morning explaining the crucial difference between the UK's version and that of other European countries). I freely admit that anything to do with data collection, Dominic Cummings & Marc Warner makes me distinctly uneasy. By all means sign up if you're relaxed about it but have some respect for those who think differently - and don't presume to take the moral high ground. We will get through this, no doubt, but we are not an "Asian country" and we need to get through this without casually sacrificing more of our hard won freedoms and rights to privacy. With every step we take down that road, there's no going back. What use is privacy if we’re all dead or bankrupt from Corona? I’ll certainly be downloading it. I have nothing to hide, apart from the fact I probably spend too long in the pub “What use is privacy?”
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Post by venceremos on May 6, 2020 22:47:20 GMT 1
That reads like a classic example of false equivalence. You're free to believe the reassuring government utterances as if there'd been no instances of data manipulation and misuse in recent history. I'm free not to take them at face value. I can live with more trusting folk thinking that's paranoia. imagine if you turn out to be the only one in the country that doesn't install the app, alarm bells will flag up your name at MI6 HQ So you don’t believe the government’s reassurances then? The intelligence agencies would track the app (albeit you’ve referenced the wrong one). You’re both paranoid and relaxed about it!
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Post by Pilch on May 7, 2020 0:32:01 GMT 1
it might help me and many more like me too, currently waiting for new dates for cancelled hospital appointments, which currently are not being re-booked until this virus clears I do find it bizarre why someone wouldn't sign up then again I remember this story news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/shropshire/7078455.stmsometimes I think peoples faith and principles is b******s and I dont mind saying so
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Post by theshrews81 on May 7, 2020 7:30:46 GMT 1
How does the app worth? I seldom have Bluetooth turned on and I heard it works through Bluetooth? I don’t know what phone you have, but my iPhone has Bluetooth on 100% of the time. It’s a simple click of the Settings app I know how to turn it on off. As my watch can transfer data and receive notifications vis Bluetooth I don't always have it on unless listening to podcasts or transferring my run data
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Post by davycrockett on May 7, 2020 9:28:46 GMT 1
How does the app worth? I seldom have Bluetooth turned on and I heard it works through Bluetooth? Simple solution .... turn it on if you’ve got the app....... there you go and I’m no scientist 👍
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2020 10:31:44 GMT 1
I'll definitely load it up once it becomes available and I will carry my phone with me more than I do now. If by doing this can help, in any small way to bring this virus under control then count me in. Great ethos. I hope the majority share this I've been in bed with the damned thing for the last 5 days and I've never felt so rough since I had glandular fever 40 odd years ago. I never thought in a month of Sunday's that I would get it. I live in a rural community, have applied social distancing and apart from my daily country walks have stayed in. I honestly thought that I was being so careful and yet...
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on May 7, 2020 11:29:26 GMT 1
I’m ignorant (obviously) about this, can you expand? It's the normalisation of gathering personal data. At the moment it's things like targeted ads. For example, exerting influence on issues like Brexit and the GE. Right now on my laptop I have ads asking if I want to buy a particular shoe, or female underwear (my better half has obviously been browsing). Cameras in the street, at football matches and protest marches have been normalised for years. No one bats an eyelid any more. What we need to guard against, when you consider that a whole generation have grown up with electronic devices glued to their hands, is where data gathering will lead to in the future. So, while a tracking app for Covid-19 is a good idea in theory, we need to know where such technology leads us to in the future. It must be a generational thing. I have very little online presence and rarely shop online. I’ve never seen a political ad on my laptop and rarely see a targeted ad for any type of merchandise.
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Post by venceremos on May 7, 2020 14:37:09 GMT 1
It's the normalisation of gathering personal data. At the moment it's things like targeted ads. For example, exerting influence on issues like Brexit and the GE. Right now on my laptop I have ads asking if I want to buy a particular shoe, or female underwear (my better half has obviously been browsing). Cameras in the street, at football matches and protest marches have been normalised for years. No one bats an eyelid any more. What we need to guard against, when you consider that a whole generation have grown up with electronic devices glued to their hands, is where data gathering will lead to in the future. So, while a tracking app for Covid-19 is a good idea in theory, we need to know where such technology leads us to in the future. It must be a generational thing. I have very little online presence and rarely shop online. I’ve never seen a political ad on my laptop and rarely see a targeted ad for any type of merchandise. Three or four of us had a brief conversation about piano lessons in our house recenly - not on a phone. Next day, I'm getting ads for piano tuition when I'm online.
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