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Post by Pilch on Apr 23, 2020 11:40:44 GMT 1
Well i certainly take no notice of BBC or the Newspapers, regardless of what you are being told, the Daily Briefings from the Government are the only things we can rely on, and have to believe. ‘Man in slippers shouts yet more incoherent ramblings at anyone who cares to listen’. I never had you down as a bully, so stop acting like one , especially when the bloke you are picking on is likely to plant you in the garden ;-)
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 23, 2020 12:49:55 GMT 1
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52386507"Gareth Bale and his wife Emma have donated £500,000 to the charitable arm of Cardiff and Vale University Health Board. The Cardiff & Vale Health Charity said it was the couple's wish that the money is used on "the response to Covid-19". The charity said the money will provide "those extras for staff and patients that normal NHS funding doesn't provide", during the pandemic." "Bale's fellow Wales international Aaron Ramsey, of Juventus, has made two £10,000 donations to the NHS in Wales. One of the sums went to the Aneurin Bevan University Health Board, which serves an area including Caerphilly, where Ramsey was born. "Other donations from football figures include Lionel Messi and Pep Guardiola each giving a million euros to medical causes." www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52192461on the 7th of April "Real Madrid and Wales forward Gareth Bale has taken part in an online tournament to raise money for the fight against Coronavirus. Others involved included Juventus star Paulo Dybala, Wales' Daniel James and England goalkeeper Jordan Pickford. 'Combat Corona' was organised by 38 entertainment who co-own Bale's newly launched esports organisation Ellevens Esports, and streamed live on twitch. It raised over £18,000 for charities such as UNICEF."
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 23, 2020 16:45:45 GMT 1
from the mail Supply Chain Co-ordination Limited (SCCL) was set up by the Department of Health in 2018 to improve the way the NHS buys supplies CEO Jin Sahota is paid £200,000 and is directly answerable to Matt Hancock But UK has been savaged over its efforts to buy and acquire PPE.
"The situation has got so bad Matt Hancock has been forced to bring in London 2012 organiser Lord Deighton to oversee operationsFormer director general of the Association of British HealthTech Industries blasted SCCL as 'not fit for purpose'" "Army sources said they were 'appalled' at how the Government has dealt with delivering equipment "
In an official letter last year, Health Secretary Matt Hancock name-checked Mr Sahota as one of two men having primary responsibility for managing the 'NHS Supply Chain services'.
"The letter clearly states that SCCL's purpose is 'procurement, logistics... quality control... emergency response'. He also named Jim Spittle, 67, who has worked for Tesco, Kingfisher and the Charter Institute of Logistics and Transport and is SCCL's non-executive chairman. "
"And now Tory MP Steve Baker has said the executives responsible for the scandal should be held accountable.
He told MailOnline: 'I was astonished to discover someone had failed to foresee that we'd need to provide PPE to 58,000 healthcare settings and not just 226 healthcare trusts. 'Well paid executives at this company need to explain why that happened and they need to explain why they are still failing to buy PPE from companies who have it available. 'Where PPE meets the specification necessary, it is just unconscionable that it shouldn't be bought. 'At a time like this, senior executives working in the supply chain for the NHS should be earning their money by publicly answering for the position we're in.' Mike Williams, the first head of ABHI, the trade association for the medical technology sector, said SCCL was run by 'bureaucratic and frequently incompetent management'. "
since they only had one job and have clearly failed in there job description" procurement, logistics, quality control and emergency response'. you only have to look at the shambeles in the supply line and uk campanies who wont to supply PPE but cant get past the buereaucracy, plus" Supplies of face masks, gloves and gowns have proved so dismal, that Mr Hancock has been forced to bring in London 2012 organiser Lord Deighton to oversee operations."
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Post by northwestman on Apr 23, 2020 17:00:34 GMT 1
Sounds like Mr Sahota will get a very substantial pay off and then resurface somewhere else in the NHS system.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 23, 2020 17:18:04 GMT 1
Sounds like Mr Sahota will get a very substantial pay off and then resurface somewhere else in the NHS system. unfortently the nhs has a long establishe track record of doing that; the question i would be asking is who audited this service as it is clearly not fit for purpose.
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Post by welshshrew on Apr 23, 2020 20:45:24 GMT 1
‘Man in slippers shouts yet more incoherent ramblings at anyone who cares to listen’. I never had you down as a bully, so stop acting like one , especially when the bloke you are picking on is likely to plant you in the garden ;-) What do you mean PILCH?
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Post by Pilch on Apr 23, 2020 23:57:38 GMT 1
I never had you down as a bully, so stop acting like one , especially when the bloke you are picking on is likely to plant you in the garden ;-) What do you mean PILCH? what I mean is if you keep on downie is going to take his slippers off and tan your backside
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2020 11:55:44 GMT 1
what I mean is if you keep on downie is going to take his slippers off and tan your backside Is that a queue I can see forming ?
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Post by SeanBroseley on Apr 24, 2020 12:03:54 GMT 1
Warrington Hospial innovates to avoid shortage of ventilators and finds that they are using something that looks to have better results. Wathcing what was happening in Italy was important to what they did. And well said Harold. link
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Post by northwestman on Apr 24, 2020 13:03:32 GMT 1
www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/governments-coronavirus-test-application-site-18143138The site allowing key workers across the country to apply for a coronavirus crash has crashed on Friday morning. The site was announced on Thursday afternoon as UK Health Secretary Matt Hancock said people across the country would be able to apply for a coronavirus test. The site should allow you to register for a test slot - after which you either get an appointment to go to a drive-through site or you get sent a home-test kit. But on Friday morning by 10am the site was down saying applications were closed. No surprise there then. Utterly predictable.
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 24, 2020 13:51:13 GMT 1
The questions at today's briefing will be no surprise either.
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Post by northwestman on Apr 24, 2020 14:27:54 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/24/key-workers-denied-coronavirus-tests-as-hancock-scheme-falters-on-first-dayThe government has apologised after Matt Hancock’s attempt to test essential workers for coronavirus ran into problems within hours of its launch. The health secretary had promised that from 6am on Friday morning up to 10 million essential workers and their families would be able to apply for a drive-in test or home-testing kit. But within three hours of the site launching, anyone accessing the self-referral test site was told that applications had closed. A message said: “You can’t currently register for a Covid-19 test. Please check back here later.” The Department for Health and Social Care blamed the problems on “significant demand”. In a tweet it apologised for the inconvenience and promised more tests would be available on Saturday.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 24, 2020 17:18:52 GMT 1
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 25, 2020 6:37:34 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/24/key-workers-denied-coronavirus-tests-as-hancock-scheme-falters-on-first-dayThe government has apologised after Matt Hancock’s attempt to test essential workers for coronavirus ran into problems within hours of its launch. The health secretary had promised that from 6am on Friday morning up to 10 million essential workers and their families would be able to apply for a drive-in test or home-testing kit. But within three hours of the site launching, anyone accessing the self-referral test site was told that applications had closed. A message said: “You can’t currently register for a Covid-19 test. Please check back here later.” The Department for Health and Social Care blamed the problems on “significant demand”. In a tweet it apologised for the inconvenience and promised more tests would be available on Saturday. the phrase not fit for purpose and the health minister were made for each other.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 25, 2020 7:09:43 GMT 1
from the mail "Ministers were warned last year of the grave consequences a future pandemic would unleash on the UK, a leaked Cabinet Office briefing has revealed. Tens of thousands of deaths, crippling economic costs and creaking public services were predicted in the 2019 National Security Risk Assessment (NSRA) which mapped out how an outbreak would likely unfold. Ahead of the current coronavirus crisis, it recommended stockpiling personal protective equipment and drawing up plans to repatriate stranded Britons abroad. The government was also told to shore up the infrastructure needed to conduct mass contact tracing, in a revelation that will pour petrol on the simmering row over the lack of testing."
another chance missed another warning ignored
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Post by northwestman on Apr 25, 2020 8:09:13 GMT 1
from the mail "Ministers were warned last year of the grave consequences a future pandemic would unleash on the UK, a leaked Cabinet Office briefing has revealed. Tens of thousands of deaths, crippling economic costs and creaking public services were predicted in the 2019 National Security Risk Assessment (NSRA) which mapped out how an outbreak would likely unfold. Ahead of the current coronavirus crisis, it recommended stockpiling personal protective equipment and drawing up plans to repatriate stranded Britons abroad. The government was also told to shore up the infrastructure needed to conduct mass contact tracing, in a revelation that will pour petrol on the simmering row over the lack of testing." another chance missed another warning ignored www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8255043/Cabinet-ministers-warned-year-coronavirus-pandemic.htmlwww.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/24/revealed-uk-ministers-were-warned-last-year-of-risks-of-coronavirus-pandemicMinisters were warned last year the UK must have a robust plan to deal with a pandemic virus and its potentially catastrophic social and economic consequences in a confidential Cabinet Office briefing leaked to the Guardian. The detailed document warned that even a mild pandemic could cost tens of thousands of lives, and set out the must-have “capability requirements” to mitigate the risks to the country, as well as the potential damage of not doing so. The recommendations within it included the need to stockpile PPE (personal protective equipment), organise advanced purchase agreements for other essential kit, establish procedures for disease surveillance and contact tracing, and draw up plans to manage a surge in excess deaths. Having plans for helping British nationals abroad and repatriating them to the UK was also flagged as a priority. But one source with knowledge of the Cabinet Office document said the UK had not properly focused on the pandemic threat, and had been caught flat-footed. “The really frustrating thing is that there were plans. But over the last few years emergency planning has been focused on political drivers, like Brexit and flooding. “There was a national plan for dealing with a pandemic that should have been implemented. But who control of that? And who was responsible for making sure that plans were being made at a local level? The truth is, I am not sure anyone was doing this.” The source added: “We have been paying for a third-party fire and theft insurance for a pandemic, not a comprehensive one. We have been caught out.”
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 8:12:39 GMT 1
from the mail "Ministers were warned last year of the grave consequences a future pandemic would unleash on the UK, a leaked Cabinet Office briefing has revealed. Tens of thousands of deaths, crippling economic costs and creaking public services were predicted in the 2019 National Security Risk Assessment (NSRA) which mapped out how an outbreak would likely unfold. Ahead of the current coronavirus crisis, it recommended stockpiling personal protective equipment and drawing up plans to repatriate stranded Britons abroad. The government was also told to shore up the infrastructure needed to conduct mass contact tracing, in a revelation that will pour petrol on the simmering row over the lack of testing." another chance missed another warning ignored www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8255043/Cabinet-ministers-warned-year-coronavirus-pandemic.htmlwww.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/24/revealed-uk-ministers-were-warned-last-year-of-risks-of-coronavirus-pandemicMinisters were warned last year the UK must have a robust plan to deal with a pandemic virus and its potentially catastrophic social and economic consequences in a confidential Cabinet Office briefing leaked to the Guardian. The detailed document warned that even a mild pandemic could cost tens of thousands of lives, and set out the must-have “capability requirements” to mitigate the risks to the country, as well as the potential damage of not doing so. The recommendations within it included the need to stockpile PPE (personal protective equipment), organise advanced purchase agreements for other essential kit, establish procedures for disease surveillance and contact tracing, and draw up plans to manage a surge in excess deaths. Having plans for helping British nationals abroad and repatriating them to the UK was also flagged as a priority. But one source with knowledge of the Cabinet Office document said the UK had not properly focused on the pandemic threat, and had been caught flat-footed. “The really frustrating thing is that there were plans. But over the last few years emergency planning has been focused on political drivers, like Brexit and flooding. “There was a national plan for dealing with a pandemic that should have been implemented. But who control of that? And who was responsible for making sure that plans were being made at a local level? The truth is, I am not sure anyone was doing this.” The source added: “We have been paying for a third-party fire and theft insurance for a pandemic, not a comprehensive one. We have been caught out.” There is a plan, I linked to it on another thread. An exercise was carried out in 2016, I also linked that. The question should be how effectively that plan was implemented and what lessons, if any, were learned from the exercise.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 16:23:37 GMT 1
This is a good point. We have a National Health Service, that is independent of central control and standards. Basically not national at all. A legacy of the Labour Party circa 1990s. Of course the armed forces will look on aghast.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 17:00:43 GMT 1
Didn’t the army go to war in a desert wearing green uniforms once?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 17:05:18 GMT 1
Didn’t the army go to war in a desert wearing green uniforms once? Relevance? If I can remember correctly we got the items procurement in place and 3 weeks later we were wearing it, but it was a UK only issue, not a world wide pandemic
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 17:12:22 GMT 1
Didn’t the army go to war in a desert wearing green uniforms once? Relevance? If I can remember correctly we got the items procurement in place and 3 weeks later we were wearing it, but it was a UK only issue, not a world wide pandemic Well the army claiming to be experts in procurement and distribution?
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Post by jamo on Apr 26, 2020 17:16:25 GMT 1
Didn’t the army go to war in a desert wearing green uniforms once? Relevance? If I can remember correctly we got the items procurement in place and 3 weeks later we were wearing it, but it was a UK only issue, not a world wide pandemic The point is relevant because it makes reference to a government being ill-prepared for a situation that it had ample warning of, and time to prepare for. And for which it systematically failed in its duty of care to offer immediate, appropriate and required protective equipment for British citizens, whether in uniform or otherwise. It is relevant because- to use the same analogy, those British citizens who lost their lives in snatch Landrovers in the Middle East are immediately comparable to front line health staff being sent on duty in completely unacceptable kit. Thats why it is relevant. This government -any government, have a hugely difficult scenario to deal with. All we can ask is that they perform that duty as diligently and competently as possible, and in doing so carry with them the trust of the people they serve. They have simply failed that basic requirement, and no amount of apologists will make that better, more so for the tens of thousands of bereaved families across our country.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 17:19:13 GMT 1
Relevance? If I can remember correctly we got the items procurement in place and 3 weeks later we were wearing it, but it was a UK only issue, not a world wide pandemic The point is relevant because it makes reference to a government being ill-prepared for a situation that it had ample warning of, and time to prepare for. And for which it systematically failed in its duty of care to offer immediate, appropriate and required protective equipment for British citizens, whether in uniform or otherwise. It is relevant because- to use the same analogy, those British citizens who lost their lives in snatch Landrovers in the Middle East are immediately comparable to front line health staff being sent on duty in completely unacceptable kit. Thats why it is relevant. This government -any government, have a hugely difficult scenario to deal with. All we can ask is that they perform that duty as diligently and competently as possible, and in doing so carry with them the trust of the people they serve. They have simply failed that basic requirement, and no amount of apologists will make that better, more so for the tens of thousands of bereaved families across our country. I appreciate your opinion, I also have mine, which differs greatly from yours.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 17:33:02 GMT 1
We can't compare with what's happening now and what happened with kit in Iraq and Afghan.
I made this point on another thread. All our kit was designed for Northern Europe and fighting the Warsaw Pact. You just can't design, test and evaluate equipment overnight, or even in a few weeks/months.
Another difference is the MoD, a central organisation, does procurement, not the armed forces.
Downie's point, it seems, is the difference in purchasing PPE by NHS Trusts.
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Post by welshshrew on Apr 26, 2020 18:46:37 GMT 1
We’ve had the staff testing shambles.
We are in the middle of the PPE shambles.
The test, trace and certify operation that is about to begin, but without anyone really having the slightest clue how it will be delivered, will be the next shambles. Mark my words.
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Post by jamo on Apr 26, 2020 18:56:39 GMT 1
I made this point on another thread. All our kit was designed for Northern Europe and fighting the Warsaw Pact. You just can't design, test and evaluate equipment overnight, or even in a few weeks/months. That’s nonsense. Not the bit about our kit being designed fo Northern Europe, but the second part. We didn’t just turn up in Iraq on a whim, there were months/weeks of build up. Ample time to get military kit that didn’t appear to be a problem sourcing by any of the other combatants.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 19:05:00 GMT 1
I made this point on another thread. All our kit was designed for Northern Europe and fighting the Warsaw Pact. You just can't design, test and evaluate equipment overnight, or even in a few weeks/months. That’s nonsense. Not the bit about our kit being designed fo Northern Europe, but the second part. We didn’t just turn up in Iraq on a whim, there were months/weeks of build up. Ample time to get military kit that didn’t appear to be a problem sourcing by any of the other combatants. It's not nonsense, when you consider it went from a conventional war into an insurgency pretty quickly. Different kit, different war-fighting.
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Post by jamo on Apr 26, 2020 19:15:10 GMT 1
That’s nonsense. Not the bit about our kit being designed fo Northern Europe, but the second part. We didn’t just turn up in Iraq on a whim, there were months/weeks of build up. Ample time to get military kit that didn’t appear to be a problem sourcing by any of the other combatants. It's not nonsense, when you consider it went from a conventional war into an insurgency pretty quickly. Different kit, different war-fighting. Oh I see. So we went to a conventional war in the desert in green kit designed for use in Northern Europe, despite having at least 2 months notice of what was coming ? Brilliant.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 19:29:57 GMT 1
It's not nonsense, when you consider it went from a conventional war into an insurgency pretty quickly. Different kit, different war-fighting. Oh I see. So we went to a conventional war in the desert in green kit designed for use in Northern Europe, despite having at least 2 months notice of what was coming ? Brilliant. No they had plenty of desert kit for Iraq, it was GW1 that the problems were really had.... the vehicles were the problem in Iraq.....
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