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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 21, 2020 17:08:16 GMT 1
when this is all over i wont be suprised if the health secretary will be thrown under a bus as the scapegoat . Together with a few medical and scientific experts (especially the modellers) and senior NHS Managers (especially those responsible for purchasing PPE). there will need to a major overhaul of the nhs procurement for three reasons when you give companies contracts you need to ensure they are not all buying there products from the same country. in the middle of a pandemic with chronic shortages of PPE how on earth can it happen that british companies who have either produced PPE or sourced it abroad are unable to get through the bureaucratic process to supply the PPE to the nhs. the whole process needs to be strreamlined as it is has clearly shown it is not fit for purpose
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 21, 2020 17:47:24 GMT 1
No real answer on masks yet, though SAGE discussed it this morning. Sadiq Khan thinking it would be a god idea on the tube and all public transport.
I am thinking of going into the mask business, a range of masks to lighten the mood, lion, skeleton, Boris, creepy clown, Maggie Thatcher. It's going to be the most popular fashion accessory this summer!
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 21, 2020 18:44:19 GMT 1
www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/welsh-village-make-gowns-nhs-18126248" A Welsh village has come together to create their own PPE for our NHS staff. They provide scrubs and other medical coveralls to NHS services, social services and other providers who require additional cloth uniform items in the Aneurin Bevan University Health Board area. The group was formed around two weeks ago with just 18 members. Within days, 300 members had joined all wanting to do their bit. Now the group has over 700 members. This has allowed them to produce 400 scrubs and over 2,000 bags for staff to transport scrubs. Sara Wall, a group coordinator for Magor, said everyone has found a way to help.She is a maths teacher at a high school but is juggling the two roles. "We have volunteers of all ages from 8-years-old to 91," she said."
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Post by northwestman on Apr 21, 2020 19:31:33 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/21/nurse-shortage-causes-nightingale-hospital-to-turn-away-patientsDozens of patients with Covid-19 have been turned away from the NHS Nightingale hospital in London because it has too few nurses to treat them. The disclosure comes amid a growing belief among hospital management in the capital that the Nightingale, built to great acclaim over just nine days, was becoming a “white elephant”. The hospital has been unable to admit about 50 people with the disease and needing “life or death” care since its first patient arrived at the site, in the ExCeL exhibition centre, in London’s Docklands, on 7 April. Thirty of these people were rejected because of a lack of staff. The planned transfer of more than 30 patients from established London hospitals to the Nightingale was “cancelled due to staffing issues”, according to NHS documents seen by the Guardian. All the patients had been intubated and were on a ventilator because they were so unwell. The revelation raises questions about the role and future of the hospital, which up until Monday had only treated 41 patients, despite being designed to include almost 4,000 beds. That means that the hospital has rejected more patients, owing to a combination of under staffing and the patients’ health, than it has treated. Of those 41 patients, four have died, seven have been discharged to a less critical level of care, and the other 30 were still being cared for at the Nightingale. The hospital is being obliged to reject people needing care because it cannot get enough of the nurses usually based in other hospitals to work there, staff at the new facility claimed. One member of staff said: “There are plenty of people working here, including plenty of doctors. But there aren’t enough critical care nurses. They’re already working in other hospitals and being run ragged there. There aren’t spare people [specialist nurses] around to do this. That’s the problem. That leads to patients having to be rejected, because there aren’t enough critical care nurses.”
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Post by salop27 on Apr 21, 2020 19:33:50 GMT 1
We know that medical staff have been told not to use social media to express concerns about such matters as a lack of PPE. But there is now a developing story of the Department of Health and Social Care using dummy twitter accounts representing nursing staff to give a line supportive of the government.This is a developing story. This is a good case of misinformation. Not the above post but the source of the story. Unsurprisingly it started on twitter with left wing types posting stories(made up nonsense). One such tweet was retweeted 25000 times. The response from the Department of H&S Care and a Twitter spokesman confirming this was untrue only received 250 retweets. Such is life nowadays.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2020 19:47:32 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/21/nurse-shortage-causes-nightingale-hospital-to-turn-away-patientsDozens of patients with Covid-19 have been turned away from the NHS Nightingale hospital in London because it has too few nurses to treat them. The disclosure comes amid a growing belief among hospital management in the capital that the Nightingale, built to great acclaim over just nine days, was becoming a “white elephant”. The hospital has been unable to admit about 50 people with the disease and needing “life or death” care since its first patient arrived at the site, in the ExCeL exhibition centre, in London’s Docklands, on 7 April. Thirty of these people were rejected because of a lack of staff. The planned transfer of more than 30 patients from established London hospitals to the Nightingale was “cancelled due to staffing issues”, according to NHS documents seen by the Guardian. All the patients had been intubated and were on a ventilator because they were so unwell. The revelation raises questions about the role and future of the hospital, which up until Monday had only treated 41 patients, despite being designed to include almost 4,000 beds. That means that the hospital has rejected more patients, owing to a combination of under staffing and the patients’ health, than it has treated. Of those 41 patients, four have died, seven have been discharged to a less critical level of care, and the other 30 were still being cared for at the Nightingale. The hospital is being obliged to reject people needing care because it cannot get enough of the nurses usually based in other hospitals to work there, staff at the new facility claimed. One member of staff said: “There are plenty of people working here, including plenty of doctors. But there aren’t enough critical care nurses. They’re already working in other hospitals and being run ragged there. There aren’t spare people [specialist nurses] around to do this. That’s the problem. That leads to patients having to be rejected, because there aren’t enough critical care nurses.” I've just read that due to capacity in existing hospitals in the capital the Nightingale is not having to be extensively utilised. Quote: NHS Chief Executive Sir Simon Stevens said: “It is great news that the first patients have been discharged after successful treatment from world-leading NHS staff. “The Nightingale London may have been built in a matter of days in response to this unprecedented global health emergency but there are excellent facilities and, of course, the staff working there are every bit as skilled and dedicated as those caring for patients at other NHS hospitals. “We have not yet had to make extensive use of the Nightingale London thanks to the hard work of NHS staff – who have freed up more than 30,000 existing hospital beds – and the public, who have played their part by staying at home and saving lives. “It will count as a huge success for the whole country if we never need to use them but with further waves of coronavirus possible it is important that we have these extra facilities in place and treating patients.” Shame that the Guardian doesn't also focus on the good news story instead of just scaremongering.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2020 19:53:51 GMT 1
We know that medical staff have been told not to use social media to express concerns about such matters as a lack of PPE. But there is now a developing story of the Department of Health and Social Care using dummy twitter accounts representing nursing staff to give a line supportive of the government.This is a developing story. This is a good case of misinformation. Not the above post but the source of the story. Unsurprisingly it started on twitter with left wing types posting stories(made up nonsense). One such tweet was retweeted 25000 times. The response from the Department of H&S Care and a Twitter spokesman confirming this was untrue only received 250 retweets. Such is life nowadays. Shocking isn't it. You should see some if the nonsense right-wing types write.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2020 19:54:02 GMT 1
From the NHS Professionals recruitment website:
NHS Nightingale Hospital London PLEASE READ: Thank you for your interest in the role at NHS Nightingale London. Due to the high volume of applications we have already received, we are currently NOT accepting any more applications at this stage.
Clearly there is no shortage of professionals wanting to work at this site.
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Post by northwestman on Apr 21, 2020 20:19:35 GMT 1
From the NHS Professionals recruitment website: NHS Nightingale Hospital London PLEASE READ: Thank you for your interest in the role at NHS Nightingale London. Due to the high volume of applications we have already received, we are currently NOT accepting any more applications at this stage. Clearly there is no shortage of professionals wanting to work at this site. Depends if they are critical care nurses I suppose. But yes, let's hope that there is no need for any of the Nightingale Hospitals to be used too much.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 21, 2020 20:25:57 GMT 1
From the NHS Professionals recruitment website: NHS Nightingale Hospital London PLEASE READ: Thank you for your interest in the role at NHS Nightingale London. Due to the high volume of applications we have already received, we are currently NOT accepting any more applications at this stage. Clearly there is no shortage of professionals wanting to work at this site. the nhs has had an amazing responce from staff who have returned from retierment to people doing all the equally essential things that keep a hospital running
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 21, 2020 20:27:42 GMT 1
From the NHS Professionals recruitment website: NHS Nightingale Hospital London PLEASE READ: Thank you for your interest in the role at NHS Nightingale London. Due to the high volume of applications we have already received, we are currently NOT accepting any more applications at this stage. Clearly there is no shortage of professionals wanting to work at this site. Depends if they are critical care nurses I suppose. But yes, let's hope that there is no need for any of the Nightingale Hospitals to be used too much. As long as we have the medical staff to cover, I would now be looking towards making Nightingales the Coronavirus cantres and starting to get back to the other things the NHS has parked in the pre-existing hospitals.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 22, 2020 10:47:44 GMT 1
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-52371941"Sir Martin, who was chancellor of Cardiff University for eight years, said he was aware the institution and others have offered help to the Welsh Government. But he said they "have not been accepted so far" because of the approach of Public Health Wales and Public Health England. "I'm very concerned that this approach is one of petty bureaucracy, pettifogging, [and] form filling," he said. "We are, in my opinion, in a war type situation. People are dying. "We have an invisible enemy sweeping the country. We need to use every resource we can muster against it and yet our government, our governments I should say, are not doing this." Cardiff Uinversity issued this comment which hardly reputes his allegation "Cardiff University said Sir Martin was expressing personal opinions that "in no way" reflect its views." "A Welsh Government spokesman said: "We are surprised to hear Professor Evans' comments, particularly as Cardiff University is testing PPE equipment for us as well as advising on PPE testing, reprocessing materials and standards. They are also supporting our cyber security work linked to coronavirus." "Sir Martin said "They are trying to buy equipment from abroad, trying to buy PPE from abroad, trying to buy testing from abroad," Sir Martin said."They're not using our own resources at all and I think this is a dereliction of duty." A target of 5,000 tests per day in Wales was abandoned earlier this week. Mr Gething has said Wales does not need so many tests with the lockdown reducing infections." with Wales aboundening there 5,000 a day testing target somthing is wrong somwhere, yet again they are not following WHO guidlines on mass testing .
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Apr 22, 2020 11:26:56 GMT 1
From the NHS Professionals recruitment website: NHS Nightingale Hospital London PLEASE READ: Thank you for your interest in the role at NHS Nightingale London. Due to the high volume of applications we have already received, we are currently NOT accepting any more applications at this stage. Clearly there is no shortage of professionals wanting to work at this site. Depends if they are critical care nurses I suppose. But yes, let's hope that there is no need for any of the Nightingale Hospitals to be used too much. It is the shortage of critical care nurses that’s the problem. The Nightingale is reported as having to turn away patients who are intubated. So there are plenty of staff available but not necessarily with the required skills. This is the difficulty we have with this virus in a nutshell. The situation is complicated and confusing with no answers to our questions because so little is known. I don’t use social media (apart from this board and 1 other) and rely on information from the Government, the BBC and a couple of newspapers. It’s hard to know what to believe when what should be the most reliable source is the Government and so much of what they have been telling us isn’t accurate.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2020 11:30:41 GMT 1
Well i certainly take no notice of BBC or the Newspapers, regardless of what you are being told, the Daily Briefings from the Government are the only things we can rely on, and have to believe.
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Post by shrewder on Apr 22, 2020 11:51:20 GMT 1
Have no problem with the BBC. Still each to his own.
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 22, 2020 11:51:35 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2020 11:53:21 GMT 1
Nope, i read one article and found it interesting.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 22, 2020 12:09:31 GMT 1
Depends if they are critical care nurses I suppose. But yes, let's hope that there is no need for any of the Nightingale Hospitals to be used too much. It is the shortage of critical care nurses that’s the problem. The Nightingale is reported as having to turn away patients who are intubated. So there are plenty of staff available but not necessarily with the required skills. This is the difficulty we have with this virus in a nutshell. The situation is complicated and confusing with no answers to our questions because so little is known. I don’t use social media (apart from this board and 1 other) and rely on information from the Government, the BBC and a couple of newspapers. It’s hard to know what to believe when what should be the most reliable source is the Government and so much of what they have been telling us isn’t accurate. www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/nhs-hospital-bed-numbers "The total number of NHS hospital beds in England, including general and acute, mental illness, learning disability, maternity and day-only beds, has more than halved over the past 30 years, from around 299,000 in 1987/88 to 141,000 in 2018/9, while the number of patients treated has increased significantly." "Over this same period, the number of overnight general and acute beds has fallen by 44 per cent – from around 181,000 to 101,000. " "The NHS also maintains critical care beds for patients who are seriously ill and require constant support. Unlike most other categories of hospital bed, the total number of critical care beds has increased in recent years. In 2011/12 there were around 5,400 critical care beds, by 2019/20 this had risen to 5,900 (NHS England 2019b) (Figure 5). Of these, around 70 per cent are for use by adults and the remainder for children and infants. " "A government review of critical care services showed substantial variation in the number of critical care beds maintained per 100,000 of population across advanced health systems (Monitor 2014, p 17). In an older comparison of eight advanced European systems, the UK was shown to maintain the joint SECOND-LOWEST number of critical care beds relative to the population" it is not rocket science if you have such a low number of critical care beds, then you dont have the consultents / doctors or specalist nurses or equipment. the biggest reduction in the total number of beds are ones for mental health and learning disability. in general hospitals there a significant increase in day care beds reflecting the rise in day surgery .
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Post by SeanBroseley on Apr 22, 2020 12:17:56 GMT 1
We know that medical staff have been told not to use social media to express concerns about such matters as a lack of PPE. But there is now a developing story of the Department of Health and Social Care using dummy twitter accounts representing nursing staff to give a line supportive of the government.This is a developing story. This is a good case of misinformation. Not the above post but the source of the story. Unsurprisingly it started on twitter with left wing types posting stories(made up nonsense). One such tweet was retweeted 25000 times. The response from the Department of H&S Care and a Twitter spokesman confirming this was untrue only received 250 retweets. Such is life nowadays. It is undisputed that one of the accounts at the centre of this is false account. The NHS Trust concerned has confirmed that. As I said, this is a developing story.
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 22, 2020 12:50:44 GMT 1
This is a good case of misinformation. Not the above post but the source of the story. Unsurprisingly it started on twitter with left wing types posting stories(made up nonsense). One such tweet was retweeted 25000 times. The response from the Department of H&S Care and a Twitter spokesman confirming this was untrue only received 250 retweets. Such is life nowadays. It is undisputed that one of the accounts at the centre of this is fnow alse account. The NHS Trust concerned has confirmed that. As I said, this is a developing story. That old saying "Ask no questions, get told no lies" comes to mind. With 24 hour news and twitter, facebook, etc. all the more need to investigate and ask the right questions. There was, after all, talk of false social media in recent elections.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Apr 22, 2020 13:10:10 GMT 1
The guy either comes up with the goods or he doesn't Just like the government with the pandemic. But it isn't as if this sort of thing has happened before. link
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Post by salop27 on Apr 22, 2020 14:27:44 GMT 1
This is a good case of misinformation. Not the above post but the source of the story. Unsurprisingly it started on twitter with left wing types posting stories(made up nonsense). One such tweet was retweeted 25000 times. The response from the Department of H&S Care and a Twitter spokesman confirming this was untrue only received 250 retweets. Such is life nowadays. It is undisputed that one of the accounts at the centre of this is false account. The NHS Trust concerned has confirmed that. As I said, this is a developing story. The Full Fact people have looked into this again today and again have said there is no evidence the government is doing this. Guaranteed there might be fake accounts but nothing to do with the government.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2020 16:36:09 GMT 1
It is undisputed that one of the accounts at the centre of this is false account. The NHS Trust concerned has confirmed that. As I said, this is a developing story. The Full Fact people have looked into this again today and again have said there is no evidence the government is doing this. Guaranteed there might be fake accounts but nothing to do with the government. Of course it’s them.... there all liars and want you to believe that they everything under control while the do nowt....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2020 17:08:13 GMT 1
The Full Fact people have looked into this again today and again have said there is no evidence the government is doing this. Guaranteed there might be fake accounts but nothing to do with the government. Of course it’s them.... there all liars and want you to believe that they everything under control while the do nowt.... But you say up post that the only thing we can believe is the daily briefing and we should rely on them? Now you’re saying they’re all liars???
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2020 17:15:01 GMT 1
Of course it’s them.... there all liars and want you to believe that they everything under control while the do nowt.... But you say up post that the only thing we can believe is the daily briefing and we should rely on them? Now you’re saying they’re all liars??? Trying to up my game under welshsrews advice and going with the consensus of the board🤣🤣🤣
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Post by jamo on Apr 22, 2020 17:46:48 GMT 1
Well i certainly take no notice of BBC or the Newspapers, regardless of what you are being told, the Daily Briefings from the Government are the only things we can rely on, and have to believe. And there upon lies your most pressing problem. The Daily Briefings are now actually cringe worthy, “ can I go to Laura for the first question please”
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 22, 2020 18:19:25 GMT 1
But you say up post that the only thing we can believe is the daily briefing and we should rely on them? Now you’re saying they’re all liars??? Trying to up my game under welshsrews advice and going with the consensus of the board🤣🤣🤣 As long as it isn't an indication of the onset of lockdown multiple personality disorder. One Downie is more than enough for this board.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2020 19:11:10 GMT 1
Depends if they are critical care nurses I suppose. But yes, let's hope that there is no need for any of the Nightingale Hospitals to be used too much. It is the shortage of critical care nurses that’s the problem. That's a very good point. A very good mate is a mental health nurse, who is about to be redeployed to general nursing. He will obviously be useful and do a great job, but to the general public he's a stat that the government can call on to say there's enough staff.
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Post by aghabullogueshrew on Apr 22, 2020 22:22:13 GMT 1
I really hate giving out this information but Covid 19 has claimed 769 lives in the Republic of Ireland so far, of which 45% have been in Care Homes / Nursing Homes. The government here counts every death in homes, houses and hospitals. I hope that this figure isn't repeated in the UK. Stay Home, Stay Safe.
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Post by welshshrew on Apr 22, 2020 23:00:32 GMT 1
Well i certainly take no notice of BBC or the Newspapers, regardless of what you are being told, the Daily Briefings from the Government are the only things we can rely on, and have to believe. ‘Man in slippers shouts yet more incoherent ramblings at anyone who cares to listen’.
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