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Post by pughywasfree on May 29, 2018 8:40:30 GMT 1
Apparently Brain Coldwell has said on radio Shropshire this morning that Ipswich approach for Hurst was illigal as they went directly to his agent.
If anyone knows how to find the interview on the Internet could you post it please.
I was hoping for a positive relationship between us and Ipswich after Hurst going there with loans etc.
Can't see that happening now.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on May 29, 2018 8:42:57 GMT 1
Take great pleasure when Carlton Morris scores for Norwich against them.
Hopefully a season of failure for them.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 8:44:27 GMT 1
Take great pleasure when Carlton Morris scores for Norwich against them. Hopefully a season of failure for them. Carlton Morris doesn’t score
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Post by ipswichshrews on May 29, 2018 8:48:09 GMT 1
Apparently Brain Coldwell has said on radio Shropshire this morning that Ipswich approach for Hurst was illigal as they went directly to his agent. If anyone knows how to find the interview on the Internet could you post it please. I was hoping for a positive relationship between us and Ipswich after Hurst going there with loans etc. Can't see that happening now. Later this morning BBC shropshire breakfast catch up on iPlayer just after 8am news - to get the full interview.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on May 29, 2018 8:50:42 GMT 1
Bit cheesed off about this from what appears to have happened to be honest. Yeah, this is football but then Hurst is only human and to be honest I would rather things have gone as they should have and Ipswich having being told in no uncertain terms that they were in no position to talk to Hurst. And so with that said there should have been no initial contact, no initial negotiations made. Now we had a situation with a manager leading us into the final stages of the season and the play offs distracted and pretty certain not to be with Town come next season. He knew he would be managing in the Championship come what may. Just irks me a tad that.
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Post by ssshrew on May 29, 2018 8:53:24 GMT 1
Bit cheesed off about this from what appears to have happened to be honest. Yeah, this is football but then Hurst is only human and to be honest I would rather things have gone as they should have and Ipswich having being told in no uncertain terms that they were in no position to talk to Hurst. And so with that said there should have been no initial contact, no initial negotiations made. Now we had a situation with a manager leading us into the final stages of the season and the play offs distracted and pretty certain not to be with Town come next season. He knew he would be managing in the Championship come what may. Just irks me a tad that. Irks me more than a tad I can tell you.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on May 29, 2018 8:59:43 GMT 1
I guess the question is did we have any contact with Hurst's agent before we spoke to Grimsby?
Of course it's underhand. But not many of us would tell our boss and our team we were applying for jobs until we had one in the bag.
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Post by shrewswolf on May 29, 2018 9:05:05 GMT 1
I consider myself a forgiving type and as a result had no problem with Hurst being aware of rumours or with Hurst going a day after the playoffs assuming Ipswich had waited all this time.
However, Caldwell seems a little hurt & deceived and regardless of Hurst’s great work, this is a complete lack of class. It’s one thing being ‘sounded out’ whilst at another club, but this sounds more like a deal was struck a while back. Poor. I hope he’s sacked by Christmas.
On the other hand, I hope the club aren’t completely ‘surprised’ by all this. The rumours were so strong, so if they haven’t a list ready it’s extremely poor from them too. I’d heard the Livi boss was practically in place, but Caldwell doesn’t quite give that impression..
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Post by shrewswolf on May 29, 2018 9:08:12 GMT 1
I guess the question is did we have any contact with Hurst's agent before we spoke to Grimsby? Of course it's underhand. But not many of us would tell our boss and our team we were applying for jobs until we had one in the bag. To be honest, I think we’re too honest for that. But contact with an agent is one thing, sounding them out. This sounds more like a deal was struck weeks ago & Ipswich didn’t even make the official request themselves. I get the impression that Caldwell thought Hurst & Doig were the open/honest type but failed to be at the very last.
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Post by dachshund on May 29, 2018 9:08:32 GMT 1
Plus side is that Caldwell himself sounds committed and passionate
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 9:10:42 GMT 1
I consider myself a forgiving type and as a result had no problem with Hurst being aware of rumours or with Hurst going a day after the playoffs assuming Ipswich had waited all this time. However, Caldwell seems a little hurt & deceived and regardless of Hurst’s great work, this is a complete lack of class. It’s one thing being ‘sounded out’ whilst at another club, but this sounds more like a deal was struck a while back. Poor. I hope he’s sacked by Christmas. [br I’d heard the Livi boss was practically in place, but Caldwell doesn’t quite give that impression.. What was said about a replacement?
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 9:11:29 GMT 1
Can action be taken by the League against Ipswich illegal approach?
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Post by mattmw on May 29, 2018 9:14:35 GMT 1
When McCarthy left Ipswich was hearing a lot of rumours about Hurst being approached and now seems that was the case.
These things happen in football but can’t help but think Hurst’s eye was off the ball a little in the last couple of months of the season. The little details in matches that saw us win games earlier in the season seemed lacking, and maybe a bit of intensity went from the side
Always going to be that question now of how much of an impact Ipswich’s approach had on our promotion push
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Post by supermac11 on May 29, 2018 9:18:13 GMT 1
Not saying it's right but this sort of stuff goes on all the time football. Let's not forget that clubs also get replacements before managers are sacked. Hurst is looking after no.1., he's not a supporter and it's his career.
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Post by horse01 on May 29, 2018 9:20:35 GMT 1
I think if we’re honest, the warning signs were probably there when he wasn’t doing interviews?! Rumours were rife at that time about him departing, and looking back, it seems he had his head turned?
If we can pick up on these things, then the players- with mates/contacts throughout the game, would’ve known 2 fold what was going on!!
Will it have had a bearing on what happened on Sunday?? It shouldn’t have. Do I personally think it did?? More than likely!!
Shame really, because like most others I liked Hurst and Doig - especially after meeting them at an early season scouts briefing. But this leaves a sour taste.
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Post by ipswichshrews on May 29, 2018 9:21:28 GMT 1
Here's the radio Shropshire interview with Brian Caldwell
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Post by wiseone on May 29, 2018 9:26:39 GMT 1
I guess the question is did we have any contact with Hurst's agent before we spoke to Grimsby? Of course it's underhand. But not many of us would tell our boss and our team we were applying for jobs until we had one in the bag. And we would find out as much about the potential employer as soon as possible. Loyalty in football is limited but he remained here until the end of the season, unlike other managers who jumped at the first opportunity e.g Appleton
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Post by Pilch on May 29, 2018 9:28:20 GMT 1
im pretty sure Roland would have called hurst in weeks ago
lot of interest in you please concentrate on the play offs I'll pass them all over to you come the final whistle at Wembley etc
if that did happen id say well done to Roland
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Post by ssshrew on May 29, 2018 9:28:52 GMT 1
Can action be taken by the League against Ipswich illegal approach? Probably but whether the gutless lot at the league would do anything is another question!
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Post by Salop_Ian on May 29, 2018 9:51:38 GMT 1
Approaches are either: A. We like the look of your manager and we’d like to interview him to see if he is the right man for us. First we need to know if that if we offer him the job what sort compensation you would expect to release him. Or, B. We want your manager and he wants to come - obviously having tapped him up. Can we now just tie up the formalities.
I suspect that the disappointment on Salop’s part is that there is no pretence by Ipswich and PH that this is anything other than scenario B.
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Post by bhmon on May 29, 2018 10:21:24 GMT 1
I don't see what people are getting so annoyed about. We all knew this was going on. Bookmakers odds on next Ipswich manager told you that. The only thing that doesn't reflect well is Hurst not telling his back room staff.
Didn't we get Hurst from Grimsby when he was still their manager? And now a bigger club have done the same to us? And if Ipswich have a good season, a bigger club might do it to them. It's just football, nearly every club will make unofficial approaches rightly or wrongly.
Personally I think Hurst might struggle there - I don't see how our style of football is going to impress the fans that wanted McCarthy out.
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Post by trueblue89 on May 29, 2018 10:24:12 GMT 1
Approaches are either: A. We like the look of your manager and we’d like to interview him to see if he is the right man for us. First we need to know if that if we offer him the job what sort compensation you would expect to release him. Or, B. We want your manager and he wants to come - obviously having tapped him up. Can we now just tie up the formalities. I suspect that the disappointment on Salop’s part is that there is no pretence by Ipswich and PH that this is anything other than scenario B. The fact is that "Scenario B" is breaching FIFA rules, The approaching party have to gain permission before any agreement can be done. A compensation package can be the last thing agreed but they still have to ask permission to have contact.
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Post by Minormorris64 on May 29, 2018 10:25:06 GMT 1
Can action be taken by the League against Ipswich illegal approach? Probably but whether the gutless lot at the league would do anything is another question! No one will ever know the full facts, likewise when he was "obtained" him from Grimsby, so I think people should take it on the chin and get on with life.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on May 29, 2018 10:27:38 GMT 1
Take great pleasure when Carlton Morris scores for Norwich against them. Hopefully a season of failure for them. Carlton Morris doesn’t score If that were true then fans would have not had to fork out for two expensive trips to the national stadium, nor suffer two lots of heartache. Comment is slightly off the mark.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on May 29, 2018 10:32:07 GMT 1
Not saying it's right but this sort of stuff goes on all the time football. Let's not forget that clubs also get replacements before managers are sacked. Hurst is looking after no.1., he's not a supporter and it's his career. Exactly. Anyone working in football is looking out for themselves these days as no1 priority, that goes for players and managers. However annoying this is PH goes with my thanks for what he has done and hope we can continue to prosper at least at a similar level. Thought to end on - isn’t it wonderful to have had a manager that other clubs wanted to take from us because of his record, rather than the usual scenario of one that the fans want to get rid of.
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Post by llanymynechshrew on May 29, 2018 10:35:23 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 10:36:02 GMT 1
Probably but whether the gutless lot at the league would do anything is another question! No one will ever know the full facts, likewise when we "obtained" him from Grimsby, so I think people should take it on the chin and get on with life. Na . As football fans of this club we have been completely mugged off by a snake who went on and on about professionalism and ethics . People like skitty for instance have young families and found out this news on twitter . It's this sort of nice nice attitude which means we are in l1 again . We need to be nastier, more protective as a club and more forceful . Everyone else is at it .
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Post by blamber on May 29, 2018 10:37:43 GMT 1
I know 'it's football' but Hurst was clearly thinking too much about his next job rather than the job he had. The distraction must have filtered down to the players which explains perhaps why we weren't at the races on Sunday. In his own head he must have been thinking more about Ipswich than about Shrewsbury. Just at the time we really needed his full attention.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on May 29, 2018 10:38:02 GMT 1
"Ipswich Town have been made aware of this interview and will be commenting in due course."
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 10:44:22 GMT 1
"Ipswich Town have been made aware of this interview and will be commenting in due course." Let the PR bulls**t commence. Suspect they will deny and it'll be the usual b******s. When truth is agent and representative from Ipswich will have been talking for weeks. The speed of this proves talks already place weeks back.
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