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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 19:13:57 GMT 1
Some of this is fairly embarrassing to read. Paul didn't put a foot wrong in any significant way whilst he was here and gave the fans the most enjoyable season at the third tier for almost 40 years. He's moved onto a bigger job which no doubt can pay him more and which I for one hope he is a roaring success in. Good luck Paul. I hope your successor can get us another crack at the play offs or even the top 2 next year. Its been a hell of a lot of fun. Spot on Welshshrew.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 19:14:29 GMT 1
I think the quotation marks were unnecessary LondonShrew, but in fairness this is the least of your concerns.
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Post by danny on May 29, 2018 19:29:30 GMT 1
I think the quotation marks were unnecessary LondonShrew, but in fairness this is the least of your concerns. He’s done what any other manager would do, we may not like it but that’s the way it is and if he’s good enough he will be doing it to Ipswich in a few seasons time also. Good luck to him, he’s exceeded our expectations and put us in a far better position than anyone would have thought possible 18months ago.
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Post by callum on May 29, 2018 19:48:16 GMT 1
Carlton Morris doesn’t score His goal got us to Wembley, idiot Twice!
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 19:48:51 GMT 1
I’m not slating hurst he did wonders for us and is worthy of giving it a go in a higher league but ...... as they say something has been going over last few weeks and maybe a few players have known few of his inner circle mates of the staff knew and to leave a day after losing at Wembley annoys me a bit disrespectful specialy his interviews state no contact from other clubs I’m a shrewsbury manger right at this moment blah blah blah .. I really hope Brian got as much money out of Ipswich as he could !! For me he has gone into a job where he has no plan b in tactics and with a really competitive league with big teams in the league ! I’ll tell you what CAN HE DO IT ON A COLD TUESDAY NIGHT IN STOKE .. let’s wait and see.
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Post by stfcfan87 on May 29, 2018 20:06:34 GMT 1
Some of this is fairly embarrassing to read. Paul didn't put a foot wrong in any significant way whilst he was here and gave the fans the most enjoyable season at the third tier for almost 40 years. He's moved onto a bigger job which no doubt can pay him more and which I for one hope he is a roaring success in. Good luck Paul. I hope your successor can get us another crack at the play offs or even the top 2 next year. Its been a hell of a lot of fun. Pretty much agree and pretty much knew he and several others would be leaving if we didn't go up. That was one of the reasons I went to Wembley, to see this team for the last time together Only thing to add really, is that this was always going to go badly given the fans haven't gotten over Sunday yet, more so given the figurehead to that team is going so soon Given he was going on holiday so quickly, why on earth did he and Ipswich not just wait a week or so until he's back to announce it properly? Not as if it'll make any difference to either for a week
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Post by callum on May 29, 2018 20:12:11 GMT 1
This has left a bitter taste in the mouth, Hurst will have lost a lot of respect the way he has conducted himself. For all we know he may have told Ogogo to sign nothing as he will take him with him in the summer,this may have been going on for months.
For all Hursts good work we did still have some God awful performances with no plan B, he's not the messiah he thinks he is.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 20:31:23 GMT 1
Some of this is fairly embarrassing to read. Paul didn't put a foot wrong in any significant way whilst he was here and gave the fans the most enjoyable season at the third tier for almost 40 years. He's moved onto a bigger job which no doubt can pay him more and which I for one hope he is a roaring success in. Good luck Paul. I hope your successor can get us another crack at the play offs or even the top 2 next year. Its been a hell of a lot of fun. It's more the manner of his leaving Gaz. Yes, it's been fun and all that, but all this could have been done with a bit more class. Don't forget, he's had a little go at the fans about the level of support during an expensive time to be following us. That feels a bit rich right now.
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Post by quinnster on May 29, 2018 20:39:04 GMT 1
His track record shows he will move at the slightest, and some point he will get sacked etc. In a few years he will be just another merry go round manager. His manner of departure if its official yet, has soiled his reputation and could catch up with him later. its a pity, as many of our old boys like Fred Davies, Gary Peters, who both attended many games long after their reign, would enjoy their visits etc. GT of course an absolute legend, my No1 by a mile, then Jake, but Hurst, well its been a ride, but its been trashed after that final whistle. As for being tapped, well there must have been something....Ipswich is only 200 miles away....
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Post by mattmw on May 29, 2018 20:39:20 GMT 1
I can’t quite understand all the secrecy from Ipswich approaching Hurst from their point of view, or his really
It’s well known it happened weeks ago I don’t know why they didn’t just get the ok from Shrewsbury, agree a deal in principle then let Hurst get on with the rest of the season. Then staff, players and manager would all know where they stood. People successfully and professionally work till their end of their contract in all work of life
It’s not like Shrewsbury have a record of standing in the way of a player or manager leaving, and think are realistic to know Hurst would like to test himself at a higher level - in fact I think the chairman said something similar when he first signed. Equally I don’t think he’d have lost the fans support by going public in March/April when this was all agreed
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Post by JohnG on May 29, 2018 20:41:26 GMT 1
The Ipswich rumour was one that never went away and always seemed to have substance.
Did I expect Hurst to leave us? Yes I did, even more so after sunday's abject defeat. But I expected him to leave in the correct manner, not digging a tunnel for the last few weeks.
What I don't like is the way it has all been conducted and the manner of it all. Whether it had any effect on certain players, only they will know.
The club carries on, unfortunately some players are left in limbo. How could Hurst discuss the retained list / player discussions on sunday night when he knew this was going to come out?
If bids come in for our best players so be it, let's get the best deals we can and move on. STFC is still an attractive club to potential managers, unfortunately time is short to appoint a new one and get a squad in place.
Thanks for what you have done here Hurst but you have ****ing p**sed me off now, and I don't give 2 s**ts about Ipswich Town!!
Roll on the summer gossip!
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Post by shrewforallseasons on May 29, 2018 20:48:07 GMT 1
League rules about the etiquette of approachment are almost impossible to enforce as money and ambition will always find a way. At least Hurst and Doig will now move on in a quick and painless process rather than a protracted legal set-to between the clubs. Being the "voice of reason" doesn't mean I don't share the pain, but come on,Hurst performed 2 near miracles in his stint. First he revived the corpse last season then raised us to within a whisker of being in fantasy land.
A clean,quick break allows the club the maximum time to work on a replacement before pre-season and I'm pretty sure some prep work has already been done.
Best wishes to Hurst and Doig,wish you had stayed more than a season and a half but thanks for a magical season 17/18.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 21:09:49 GMT 1
Some of this is fairly embarrassing to read. Paul didn't put a foot wrong in any significant way whilst he was here and gave the fans the most enjoyable season at the third tier for almost 40 years. He's moved onto a bigger job which no doubt can pay him more and which I for one hope he is a roaring success in. Good luck Paul. I hope your successor can get us another crack at the play offs or even the top 2 next year. Its been a hell of a lot of fun. It's more the manner of his leaving Gaz. Yes, it's been fun and all that, but all this could have been done with a bit more class. Don't forget, he's had a little go at the fans about the level of support during an expensive time to be following us. That feels a bit rich right now. Chief Exec chose to go on the radio and give one side of the story before Paul Hurst has left. The snipe around how he informed backroom staff was classless. Shrewsbury chose to try and control the messaging around this, not Paul. Re support, it wasn’t just Paul. It was the club who put those messages out. Brian Caldwell may have eventually got some lids on the s**tters so some think he’s the messiah, but it’s Paul and the side he somehow assembled that gave us a great season.
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Post by thesensationaljt on May 29, 2018 21:12:59 GMT 1
He did well last season. I always expected him to go. He's ambitious, he said so himself. But for him to pretend he knew nothing of interest from Ipswich is a load of nonsense. He has treated us with complete disrespect, dropped us in the s**t, because we're on the back foot now with planning for the new season, then ran away to hide.
Off you go, Hurst, I remember another bloke in the bible, who was in denial. can't remember his name......I think it began with J.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 21:19:12 GMT 1
JT, can you fill us in on the conversations Paul had with Brian and Roland about the Ipswich job over the last 2-3 weeks please? Cheers.
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Post by Liam on May 29, 2018 21:23:44 GMT 1
So then "WelshShrew", you don't think Hurst did anything wrong...? So it's ok to have talks with another club during the season, but demands 100% from kids half his age.. And then flys off to the other side of the world, so hopefully things would have calmed down when he comes back. You wouldn't be joining a club in that part of the country with a "limited" budget (to say the least), the f*****g day after the final without alot of ground work. Do you honestly think he have a f**k. How much money do you think Paul Hurst made playing right-back for Rotherham for 15 years, mate? Enough to retire on? Obviously not. More than your average tradesman does? Perhaps in his later years there after the turn of the century, if he was lucky. The guy has never worked at higher than League One in any capacity. He's not benefitted at all from any of the big money in football in his career. This is his first chance. It might be his only chance. He has a family to look after. Are you honestly saying you would turn down the chance to make a six or seven figure sum over the next few years in the same circumstances? Obviously his departure could have been handled better, but never in a million years does that mean that he deserves to be remembered as a villain after giving us our most fun season for three decades.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on May 29, 2018 21:29:44 GMT 1
This is why people shouldn’t get too attached to players or managers, it just hurts them more. I had great respect for the job Hurst did, but as I never knew him as a bloke or had a conversation with him he was just the manager. And next season someone else will have that title.
The only manager I ever got attached to was Graham. And to see things unravel for him was a gutter.
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Post by SamHarvey on May 29, 2018 21:30:03 GMT 1
I know I’m in the minority here, but I really don’t get the hate toward Paul Hurst. He and Doig worked absolute wonders to get us where they did. I enjoyed probably the best season I can remember supporting town. So many fabulous memories, and a team to be proud of. We always knew he would probably leave, it was inevitable. And for all this rubbish about how it effected the team at Wembley, we put in two of, arguably, the best performance’s of the season during the semi’s!! He stuck with us in January when he was being linked with other jobs, tried to get us promoted, and ultimately deserves a change in a higher division. Think some are forgetting we’re yet to hear both sides of this story. Be interested to see Hurst’s side of things. Enjoy what he brought us, stop the negativity.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on May 29, 2018 21:35:08 GMT 1
So then "WelshShrew", you don't think Hurst did anything wrong...? So it's ok to have talks with another club during the season, but demands 100% from kids half his age.. And then flys off to the other side of the world, so hopefully things would have calmed down when he comes back. You wouldn't be joining a club in that part of the country with a "limited" budget (to say the least), the f*****g day after the final without alot of ground work. Do you honestly think he have a f**k. How much money do you think Paul Hurst made playing right-back for Rotherham for 15 years, mate? Enough to retire on? Obviously not. More than your average tradesman does? Perhaps in his later years there after the turn of the century, if he was lucky. The guy has never worked at higher than League One in any capacity. He's not benefitted at all from any of the big money in football in his career. This is his first chance. It might be his only chance. He has a family to look after. Are you honestly saying you would turn down the chance to make a six or seven figure sum over the next few years in the same circumstances? Obviously his departure could have been handled better, but never in a million years does that mean that he deserves to be remembered as a villain after giving us our most fun season for three decades. Probably the best post on it all. Were all hurting, probably shows why the reactions on here. Not going to lie got quite attached to Hurst, came across well also in the media / post interviews on Radio Shropshire etc. Usually we can't wait to get rid of a manager (Simpson etc).
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Post by thesensationaljt on May 29, 2018 21:43:07 GMT 1
JT, can you fill us in on the conversations Paul had with Brian and Roland about the Ipswich job over the last 2-3 weeks please? Cheers.
Dunno. But didn't you think it a bit odd that after weeks of speculation linking him with Ipswich, (their message boards were full of it), he was still in denial on Sunday night. If he had said he was talking to Ipswich about the manager's job, I wouldn't have had a problem with it. In fact, I wouldn't have blamed him at all.
It would have given us an opportunity to get ourselves sorted out. I just found the way he left, (and he is going), very grubby and undignified.
Still, Hurst and his sidekick Doigy are ok......for now.
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Post by markievw on May 29, 2018 21:51:41 GMT 1
I really don't blame Paul in any of this. BC is just p**sed off that he is going.
One thing I have learned in this world is trust nobody. There is only one person that will look after you and that is yourself.
If I was in Paul's shoes I would have done exactly the same.
You have to remember we have had only heard one side of the coin, so far!!
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 21:58:51 GMT 1
His goal got us to Wembley, idiot Twice! If he diddent score against Charlton we still would have got to wembely. 2-0 over 2 legs. and just because he scored a important goal doesn’t mean he is good. avrages 1 goal every 5.4 matches- dreadful return. his hold up play and workrate is great though
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Post by Dale on May 29, 2018 22:05:14 GMT 1
I have long accepted that the only people that are loyal to a football team are the fans, as for the rest, the players, the managers, well they are just a bunch of mercenaries 99.9% of the time always looking for a better pay day. Brian moans about it all but no doubt he will be off one day too. For the supporters it’s a passion and even a way of life for some, to players, managers and CEO’s it’s just a job, we’d all do it. Must admit I’ve been really impressed with BC this season and how he has often fought hard for the cause of STFC and it’s supporters, one day he will be poached by a bigger club but hope it’s not for a while yet, but wouldn’t surprise me if this was his last managerial appointment at STFC.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on May 29, 2018 22:09:21 GMT 1
If I was the chairman and Hurst came in for Nolan, I'd sell him to some Juan else. I wouldn’t. I would have a quiet word with someone I knew that was involved with another club to quietly enter a bidding war for him then pull out at the last minute. Must be worth slipping a few quid to someone to do that? At least we would get an inflated fee for him that way, and sting the Tractir Boys at the same time..........
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on May 29, 2018 22:10:38 GMT 1
...any approach by Ipswich, illegal or not, and in whatever way, had zero bearing on our season. Let's not try and look for excuses. The players were magnificent in both Charlton games - so did they know or not then? Does it matter? Sunday was cr@p for a whole host of reasons - tiredness after lots of high intensity games over a long season with a small squad, the incredible heat, the fact that, bluntly Rotherham were better.
Let's stop making excuses for our failure to get promoted and get on with supporting our new manager and the many new players in next season's promotion push.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 22:19:42 GMT 1
can not believe half the s**t i am reading..... the only thing i surprised about is that he did not go in Jan.... nice to see a Manager leave by going up and not into oblivion.
He got tapped up.... so what... happens all the time....
Good Luck Paul Hurst.... thanks for a great season.
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Post by scooter on May 29, 2018 22:23:41 GMT 1
He did well last season. I always expected him to go. He's ambitious, he said so himself. But for him to pretend he knew nothing of interest from Ipswich is a load of nonsense. He has treated us with complete disrespect, dropped us in the s**t, because we're on the back foot now with planning for the new season, then ran away to hide.
Off you go, Hurst, I remember another bloke in the bible, who was in denial. can't remember his name......I think it began with J. I am not sure what you expected him to do. Not surprisingly, He was interested in the job, so would not turn them down at that point. He only has to say “ come and talk to me when the season ends” and the speculation is there. As long as they did not appoint anyone else, it would not go away His other option would have been to leave us with the play off games coming up, which would have been much worse
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Post by Valerioch on May 29, 2018 22:23:45 GMT 1
can not believe half the s**t i am reading..... the only thing i surprised about is that he did not go in Jan.... nice to see a Manager leave by going up and not into oblivion. He got tapped up.... so what... happens all the time.... Good Luck Paul Hurst.... thanks for a great season. Well said that man
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Post by ssshrew on May 29, 2018 22:25:22 GMT 1
Of course it just may be that the agent jumped the gun? It could be possible that PH was hoping to use his break away to think things through and was overtaken by events? Doesn’t make the approach right or ethical but if this was the case it would certainly bear more of a resemblance to the PH we thought we knew.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 22:51:49 GMT 1
can not believe half the s**t i am reading..... the only thing i surprised about is that he did not go in Jan.... nice to see a Manager leave by going up and not into oblivion. He got tapped up.... so what... happens all the time.... Good Luck Paul Hurst.... thanks for a great season. Can you not see why a fair few fans are ****ing fuming that a guy who bangs on and on all season about hard work , professionalism and class back channels to a club in the division above a few days/weeks before fans of current club spend hundreds of pounds to watch one of the most abject, weak and frankly pathetic performances by any shrewsbury team in recent history in a play off final . It might 'happen all the time' but that doesn't excuse utterly s**tty conduct by a man who supposedly prides himself on acting with ethics and the spirit of the game. If your problem is more with fans reaction to this than the man responsible for the anger and the upset well . I don't know. The people on this thread upset at Hurst have been let down badly. Most have been to a combined total of thousands of games this season. Sure I suppose we should just accept it and get on with it but it doesn't make it any less right.
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