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Post by jamo on Jun 14, 2017 8:57:27 GMT 1
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Jun 14, 2017 9:12:42 GMT 1
VERY scary and now as predicted a major disaster has occured. One resident interviewed on BBC News earlier said the fire alarms failed to go off.
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 14, 2017 9:23:38 GMT 1
Tragically shocking scenes and harrowing stories.
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Post by lenny on Jun 14, 2017 10:58:04 GMT 1
Wow. That is seriously scary. Assuming that the cause of the fire was this negligence then surely they will be brought to justice.
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Post by ssshrew on Jun 14, 2017 11:08:45 GMT 1
That is dreadful and I hope they are brought to justice. When will something be done about landlords and safety standards?
The trouble is that, whatever the outcome, it won't bring back those who have died or help those who been injured, lost everything or been traumatised.
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Post by mattmw on Jun 14, 2017 11:46:08 GMT 1
Report from the tenants association on safety of the building from a year ago makes damaging reading about the landlord and lack of care for safety at the building
Seems government have had a report on such building safety issues for four years and done nothing about it
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Post by venceremos on Jun 14, 2017 11:55:05 GMT 1
Horrific. How can that happen in 2017?
I'm sure there'll be a public enquiry, a review of minimum safety standards in all high rise buildings and criminal prosecutions to follow if there has been negligence.
For now, it's all about those who have suffered and are suffering. I can barely imagine how terrifying that must have been. Hope to God the building doesn't collapse.
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Post by shrewder on Jun 14, 2017 12:00:47 GMT 1
Absolutely desperate situation.
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Post by jamo on Jun 14, 2017 12:21:08 GMT 1
Horrific. How can that happen in 2017? I'm sure there'll be a public enquiry, a review of minimum safety standards in all high rise buildings and criminal prosecutions to follow if there has been negligence. For now, it's all about those who have suffered and are suffering. I can barely imagine how terrifying that must have been. Hope to God the building doesn't collapse. Absolutely horrific situation and we must all hope for the best for as many residents as possible. Also we must bear in mind that nothing has been investigated and proven as yet so jumping to conclusions will not help the matter but reading that residents report made me go cold.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 14, 2017 12:24:19 GMT 1
Truly awful. Those poor, poor people. It must be terrifying. And 1am, has to be the worse timing too. I know that these can happen and unfortunately will continue to happen but it's all about minimizing the risks as much as possible. I guess we need to wait and see but judging by whats been reported many, many warnings seem to have been simply ignored and now this...
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Post by Shrewspete on Jun 14, 2017 12:44:47 GMT 1
VERY scary and now as predicted a major disaster has occured. One resident interviewed on BBC News earlier said the fire alarms failed to go off. With reference to the fire alarm only, these types of buildings don't have your normal type of fire alarm, say, used in a house. Due to the make-up of the building they have alarms that sound in stages, allowing for a 'staged' evacuation of the building. Further, as many only have one stairwell that is used for evacuation, the alarm may well be delayed to allow the fire services to use the stairwell to get to the fire. All this is dependant on the building being to standard and containing the fire in its 'compartment'. Sadly, this is not the case here and something has gone very, very wrong.
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Post by Dancin on Jun 14, 2017 12:50:21 GMT 1
Also we must bear in mind that nothing has been investigated and proven as yet so jumping to conclusions will not help the matter but reading that residents report made me go cold. I bet Hotpoint are hoping it's not one of their Tumble Dryers that they haven't got around to fixing?! Grenfell Action Group Blog
Not good reading at all
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Post by Dancin on Jun 14, 2017 12:54:38 GMT 1
Seems government have had a report on such building safety issues for four years and done nothing about it Where's that been said or broadcast?
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Post by Dancin on Jun 14, 2017 12:57:47 GMT 1
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Post by trojanskin on Jun 14, 2017 13:02:32 GMT 1
Gent being interviewed said his neighbours appliance exploded on the 4th floor which start it all.
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Post by mattmw on Jun 14, 2017 13:15:38 GMT 1
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Post by Nath on Jun 14, 2017 14:42:35 GMT 1
Pictures are absolutely horrific - terrible that many have lost their lives in this. Once again, our emergency services have proven to be amazing when faced with serious danger!
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Post by wakemanender on Jun 14, 2017 15:20:40 GMT 1
Apparently people were told to stay put and not try to get out when they phoned the emergency services. Now proving that was not the best advice in these particular circumstances. Very difficult situation for those receiving calls from those trapped. Very easy to criticise after the event. No doubt in due course this is one of the things that will be reviewed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 20:28:59 GMT 1
Hmm always looking to blame someone, if the fire service needed a review do they need the Govt to tell them to do it?? also seen how landlord gets the blame very early on... on the face of it, it would appear an appliance was faulty and caused a fire... ACCIDENT not deliberate, stop looking for someone to instantly blame...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 20:34:25 GMT 1
Hmm always looking to blame someone, if the fire service needed a review do they need the Govt to tell them to do it?? also seen how landlord gets the blame very early on... on the face of it, it would appear an appliance was faulty and caused a fire... ACCIDENT not deliberate, stop looking for someone to instantly blame... Accidents happen. Question surely is how did it possibly spread so far so fast. My understanding is these tower blocks are compartmentalised like our hospitals, with each compartment fire safe for 30 mins. You tory nob!!! X
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 20:37:42 GMT 1
Hmm always looking to blame someone, if the fire service needed a review do they need the Govt to tell them to do it?? also seen how landlord gets the blame very early on... on the face of it, it would appear an appliance was faulty and caused a fire... ACCIDENT not deliberate, stop looking for someone to instantly blame... Accidents happen. Question surely is how did it possibly spread so far so fast. My understanding is these tower blocks are compartmentalised like our hospitals, with each compartment fire safe for 30 mins. You tory nob!!! X Yep, lets get away from blame culture... yes there will be investigation, to ensure it does not happen again, but due to the blame culture we will skirt over the real issues as people will be to busy getting slopey shouldered. and make any investigation pointless.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 20:38:03 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 20:58:43 GMT 1
But someone has to be blamed...... don't they?? My initial take is a tragic accident and in the light, more risk will be eliminated in the future to make safety even better to counter the cause of this.
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Post by jamo on Jun 14, 2017 21:16:33 GMT 1
But someone has to be blamed...... don't they?? My initial take is a tragic accident and in the light, more risk will be eliminated in the future to make safety even better to counter the cause of this. Tragic accident indeed. And I havnt yet seen anyone or any organisation saying different. So the comment ' someone has to be blamed ' is crass and insensitive. Far too early for the apportioning of blame and culpability. But- and it is a calculated but- that fire hold in the way it did for reasons that defy conventional fire spread. Lots of investigations to be had but I strongly suspect that when we revisit this situation after inquests and public enquiries etc you may have to re evaluate your sympathies.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 21:23:49 GMT 1
But someone has to be blamed...... don't they?? My initial take is a tragic accident and in the light, more risk will be eliminated in the future to make safety even better to counter the cause of this. Tragic accident indeed. And I havnt yet seen anyone or any organisation saying different. So the comment ' someone has to be blamed ' is crass and insensitive. Far too early for the apportioning of blame and culpability. But- and it is a calculated but- that fire hold in the way it did for reasons that defy conventional fire spread. Lots of investigations to be had but I strongly suspect that when we revisit this situation after inquests and public enquiries etc you may have to re evaluate your sympathies. I fear you may not have taken into context, i am pointing out the fact that Mattmw is already pointing fingers at landlords and government.... regardless of the what occurs, nobody has set out for this to be a consequence, mistakes may have been made, but where? not sure, and at this moment in time, its irrelevant.
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Post by jamo on Jun 14, 2017 21:36:54 GMT 1
Tragic accident indeed. And I havnt yet seen anyone or any organisation saying different. So the comment ' someone has to be blamed ' is crass and insensitive. Far too early for the apportioning of blame and culpability. But- and it is a calculated but- that fire hold in the way it did for reasons that defy conventional fire spread. Lots of investigations to be had but I strongly suspect that when we revisit this situation after inquests and public enquiries etc you may have to re evaluate your sympathies. regardless of the what occurs, nobody has set out for this to be a consequence, Of course no one sets out for this situation to be a consequence, that's stating the obvious. But - and this needs to proven - there is a very real chance that as a direct result of mis management and profit driven agendas that this abhorrent situation could have been avoided. The fire spread in this incident, so quick and so devastating has to be connected to the cladding recently applied to the building ( check out The Summerland fire on the Isle of Man ) Don't tell me that resident concerns expressed so strongly months before today were merely scare mongering.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Jun 14, 2017 21:37:38 GMT 1
Report from the tenants association on safety of the building from a year ago makes damaging reading about the landlord and lack of care for safety at the building Seems government have had a report on such building safety issues for four years and done nothing about it Read today that there was a similar fire in a block of flats in London in 2009 which resulted in several deaths. Coroner investigated and made recommendations which haven't been actioned This particular residents association warned of dangerous conditions in November 2016, which would only be listened to it there was a Tragedy
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 21:40:22 GMT 1
There is an equal chance of it not being profit driven or poor management, it would appear the local authority did a fire inspection and did not highlight a heightened risk.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Jun 14, 2017 21:43:30 GMT 1
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Post by mattmw on Jun 14, 2017 21:48:20 GMT 1
Tragic accident indeed. And I havnt yet seen anyone or any organisation saying different. So the comment ' someone has to be blamed ' is crass and insensitive. Far too early for the apportioning of blame and culpability. But- and it is a calculated but- that fire hold in the way it did for reasons that defy conventional fire spread. Lots of investigations to be had but I strongly suspect that when we revisit this situation after inquests and public enquiries etc you may have to re evaluate your sympathies. I fear you may not have taken into context, i am pointing out the fact that Mattmw is already pointing fingers at landlords and government.... regardless of the what occurs, nobody has set out for this to be a consequence, mistakes may have been made, but where? not sure, and at this moment in time, its irrelevant. Its not me pointing fingers its a cross party government committee which receives evidence from experts in the field of building safety. They have been raising concerns about high rise building regulations for a number of years. Reading through the Parliament Fire and Rescue Party reports makes for sobering and chilling reading in light of today's events with lots of people providing evidence to that committee that changes in building regulations could cause exactly this type of blaze. One such story is reported in the story below www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/14/said-would-lead-large-number-deaths-fire-safety-expert-warned/Lack of investment in adequate sprinkler systems and a softening of building regulations seems a common theme too. No one sets out for these kinds of incidents to occur, but its clear warnings have been given in the past by people with knowledge of the subject and people in authority have a responsibility to the public to keep them safe. I'm sure a public enquiry will be launched soon.
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