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Post by salopstan on May 5, 2016 11:02:43 GMT 1
its all over social media, surprised if the star don't pick it up either.... but fact is the man at the top doesn't give a stuff about the fans, so long as he has his end of year booze up with the pals the rest of us can carry on chucking the money at a club we all feel more and more detached from.
fact is the club only care if there is a chance to fleece the fans!!
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Post by stfcfan87 on May 5, 2016 12:49:56 GMT 1
Pretty disgraceful
Again I've said it before but the club change their stance and approach in situations. Sometimes they're a business when it suits them, ie generally when the fans want something, then at othertimes they're part of the community that need help ie when they need something
Just look at the lidl idea - write in to support the application dear fans, we need your help.
Oh but at the same time we can't be arsed to turn up to your awards night or fix the problems with accessing the ground you've mentioned for years
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2016 12:50:16 GMT 1
In the clubs defence, they didn't seem bothered about a crucial relegation battle in the last home game of the season so why should a fans end of season awards bother them?
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Post by didntwantosignup on May 5, 2016 13:43:52 GMT 1
It's lucky that Jamie got his sickness bug on Monday evening,it would have messed his handing out of the trophy at the celebrity football match earlier that afternoon ! www.shrewsburytown.com/news/article/shrewsbury-town-in-the-community-3092551.aspxEver get the feeling we don't matter? Still I'm sure the people who turned up in the hospitality areas will back the club in the future and I'm sure that when another seasons losses are posted in 12 months and gates continue to fall the club will still still rely upon a shrinking corporate market.......before coming begging to the regular supporters who actutally prop the club up. Corporate hospitality is a once a season deal to be fair for most "clients" and lets be honest what can we offer than Wolves, Villa etc don't already do (just....well, better). We obviously need the extra income from these occasional customers (the people who routinely back the club like Greenhous are town fans anyway) but the way the club has failed to tap into/ignore the extra income from the 90% of matchday attendees is a real blunder. I am a Sovereign member who went to the awards on Sunday who is getting pretty hacked off now for the constant sniping at me and others simply for the way we support our club. I have been a supporter since c1967 and go to all home games and quite a few away games although not as many this year due to working Saturday mornings. I am not an occasional supporter or a "once a season deal" and I am sure I will renew my membership when the current one runs out. I do not ask for special treatment from other fans or whoever because of the amount of money I spend but I also don't expect to be vilified on here just because I choose to spend my hard earned the way I do. I also object to the suggestion that I am a client rather than a supporter.
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Post by salopstan on May 5, 2016 13:52:55 GMT 1
This is everything the club wants!
Divide and conquer mentality! Supporters attaching each other, groups having a pop at other groups, Apparently the supporters groups are pitted off against each other, scrambling over each other for whatever freebies the club decide to throw their way. It's how our club runs.
God forbid we all got together and actually told the club how we felt, we wouldn't want to upset anyone would we?
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Post by SouthStandShrew on May 5, 2016 13:52:58 GMT 1
How much is a season in the sovereign club?
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Post by salopstan on May 5, 2016 13:58:42 GMT 1
In the sov, have any of the board ever come down to thank you for all the money you have put into the club? Has anyone ever seen any of the board do this in the sponsors lounge?
In four years doing that not once was I thanked. Every time I've been to wolves, Walsall, Utd and even Madrid someone from the board or at least the management has been in to say thanks.
In reply I now no longer sponsor the club in any way and will never do so again.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2016 14:13:36 GMT 1
www.shrewsburytown.com/news/article/shrewsbury-town-in-the-community-3092551.aspxEver get the feeling we don't matter? Still I'm sure the people who turned up in the hospitality areas will back the club in the future and I'm sure that when another seasons losses are posted in 12 months and gates continue to fall the club will still still rely upon a shrinking corporate market.......before coming begging to the regular supporters who actutally prop the club up. Corporate hospitality is a once a season deal to be fair for most "clients" and lets be honest what can we offer than Wolves, Villa etc don't already do (just....well, better). We obviously need the extra income from these occasional customers (the people who routinely back the club like Greenhous are town fans anyway) but the way the club has failed to tap into/ignore the extra income from the 90% of matchday attendees is a real blunder. I am a Sovereign member who went to the awards on Sunday who is getting pretty hacked off now for the constant sniping at me and others simply for the way we support our club. I have been a supporter since c1967 and go to all home games and quite a few away games although not as many this year due to working Saturday mornings. I am not an occasional supporter or a "once a season deal" and I am sure I will renew my membership when the current one runs out. I do not ask for special treatment from other fans or whoever because of the amount of money I spend but I also don't expect to be vilified on here just because I choose to spend my hard earned the way I do. I also object to the suggestion that I am a client rather than a supporter. I can fully understand where you're coming from. I' m sure nothing personal was intended, it was supporters on here commenting on the disparity between the two groups or functions. You can understand how many felt , it's not nice to be ignored or undervalued. The club have once again shot themselves inthe foot at a time when they need all the support they can get. They have shown a total lack of understanding which will come back to haunt them . Talk about building bridges ? What an excellent start by the club!
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on May 5, 2016 14:14:53 GMT 1
Thats why I feel the SP is so important its, not one group, its all of us working together for the betterment of us as fans..... not necessarily the club.... we dont give money to the club we try to pressure/advise in what the fans are after and will hopefully make them happy.
Its as open to issues being raised by us on the cheap early bird season tickets, to Sov club members and even fans who have stopped coming.....
Its not and should not be considered a group, its the collective of fans, its got buy in from everyone and has attempted to right some wrongs.... its a better place than we have been before, its opened communication between people and it makes it harder (but not impossible) to split the fans on key issues.
After next weeks meeting (10th 7pm Price of Wales) if you come you will hopefully see more good work that's been done to ntake a project forward thats involved independent fans and members of existing fans groups. Its something that's go sorted that without that collective voice would probablely would have never happened.
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Post by didntwantosignup on May 5, 2016 14:19:31 GMT 1
Me and my wife paid ÂŁ500 each joining fee plus a total of ÂŁ***.** per month direct debit for 2 seats for 12 months of the year not just during the season. I understand other members pay other amounts depending on when they joined so I am a bit hesitant to say the exact amount. We have the bonus of our membership including all cup games. As for the board members question, James Hughes is regularly in the lounge after matches although not to say thank you for the money as I know him personally. I think I would feel a bit uncomfortable if I was continually thanked for paying my dues.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2016 14:27:33 GMT 1
I've always wondered what being a sovereign member entailed, well now I know! Sovereign Club costs: Available on 5 or 25-year membership 5 year - initial joining fee of ÂŁ500 + VAT or 25 year - initial joining fee of ÂŁ1000 + VAT Platinum Membership Monthly subscription of ÂŁ79 + VAT fixed for 5 years. Includes: Your choice of padded seat in the exclusive Platinum seating area on the half way line. One VIP Car Park space for every two seats. Gold membership Monthly subscription of ÂŁ59 + VAT fixed for 5 years. Includes: Your choice of padded seat in the Gold Seating Area One VIP Car Park space for every four seats. Read more at www.shrewsburytown.com/commercial/SovereignClub/index.aspx#8wdeSKpG44u3oxq0.99
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2016 14:38:02 GMT 1
I am a Sovereign member who went to the awards on Sunday who is getting pretty hacked off now for the constant sniping at me and others simply for the way we support our club. I have been a supporter since c1967 and go to all home games and quite a few away games although not as many this year due to working Saturday mornings. I am not an occasional supporter or a "once a season deal" and I am sure I will renew my membership when the current one runs out. I do not ask for special treatment from other fans or whoever because of the amount of money I spend but I also don't expect to be vilified on here just because I choose to spend my hard earned the way I do. I also object to the suggestion that I am a client rather than a supporter. I can fully understand where you're coming from. I' m sure nothing personal was intended, it was supporters on here commenting on the disparity between the two groups or functions. You can understand how many felt , it's not nice to be ignored or undervalued. The club have once again shot themselves inthe foot at a time when they need all the support they can get. They have shown a total lack of understanding which will come back to haunt them . Talk about building bridges ? What an excellent start by the club! Of course nothing was intended as a personal insult. Simply comment that regular fans have a raw deal
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Post by didntwantosignup on May 5, 2016 14:47:44 GMT 1
I can fully understand where you're coming from. I' m sure nothing personal was intended, it was supporters on here commenting on the disparity between the two groups or functions. You can understand how many felt , it's not nice to be ignored or undervalued. The club have once again shot themselves inthe foot at a time when they need all the support they can get. They have shown a total lack of understanding which will come back to haunt them . Talk about building bridges ? What an excellent start by the club! Of course nothing was intended as a personal insult. Simply comment that regular fans have a raw deal Fair enough but you suggested that all those in hospitality are there on a one off basis which simply isn't true
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2016 15:15:41 GMT 1
Of course nothing was intended as a personal insult. Simply comment that regular fans have a raw deal Fair enough but you suggested that all those in hospitality are there on a one off basis which simply isn't true Was referring to match sponsors etc. How many sov club members do we have at present? Can't and would not knock anyone wishing to out money into our club...its just staggering that the majority of fans don't get the option to spend at STFC due to the lack of facilities.
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Post by davycrockett on May 5, 2016 15:22:19 GMT 1
Me and my wife paid ÂŁ500 each joining fee plus a total of ÂŁ***.** per month direct debit for 2 seats for 12 months of the year not just during the season. I understand other members pay other amounts depending on when they joined so I am a bit hesitant to say the exact amount. We have the bonus of our membership including all cup games. As for the board members question, James Hughes is regularly in the lounge after matches although not to say thank you for the money as I know him personally. I think I would feel a bit uncomfortable if I was continually thanked for paying my dues. Thanks for your input, as others have said nothing personal there are many fans that choose to watch the way you do but many more that use it for networking and business improvement. My brother had 2 tickets for the SS for the first tranch and didn't attend more than a couple of games... Just a couple of questions if you don't mind. More to show a point than expect an answer.... How would it have gone down if MM didn't attend on Sunday because he'd decided to go home? Why have James Hughes and or Roland never found time to visit the South or West stand during or after a game to talk to fans?
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Post by didntwantosignup on May 5, 2016 15:35:43 GMT 1
Me and my wife paid ÂŁ500 each joining fee plus a total of ÂŁ***.** per month direct debit for 2 seats for 12 months of the year not just during the season. I understand other members pay other amounts depending on when they joined so I am a bit hesitant to say the exact amount. We have the bonus of our membership including all cup games. As for the board members question, James Hughes is regularly in the lounge after matches although not to say thank you for the money as I know him personally. I think I would feel a bit uncomfortable if I was continually thanked for paying my dues. Thanks for your input, as others have said nothing personal there are many fans that choose to watch the way you do but many more that use it for networking and business improvement. My brother had 2 tickets for the SS for the first tranch and didn't attend more than a couple of games... Just a couple of questions if you don't mind. More to show a point than expect an answer.... How would it have gone down if MM didn't attend on Sunday because he'd decided to go home? Why have James Hughes and or Roland never found time to visit the South or West stand during or after a game to talk to fans? Answers as best I can. MM advertised as being present on Sunday, as were the players and Brian Caldwell. Hard therefore not to attend. Don't forget, the awards dinner was open to everyone, albeit at a price. James in the suite after the game for MOM, after which I suggest the stands you mention would be empty. As a complete switch, during the Wigan game after their 4th goal and the stands were emptying, did anyone hear them singing are you having a fire drill. Just thought i'd mention it, funny at the time.
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Post by davycrockett on May 5, 2016 15:46:27 GMT 1
Thanks for your input, as others have said nothing personal there are many fans that choose to watch the way you do but many more that use it for networking and business improvement. My brother had 2 tickets for the SS for the first tranch and didn't attend more than a couple of games... Just a couple of questions if you don't mind. More to show a point than expect an answer.... How would it have gone down if MM didn't attend on Sunday because he'd decided to go home? Why have James Hughes and or Roland never found time to visit the South or West stand during or after a game to talk to fans? Answers as best I can. MM advertised as being present on Sunday, as were the players and Brian Caldwell. Hard therefore not to attend. Don't forget, the awards dinner was open to everyone, albeit at a price. James in the suite after the game for MOM, after which I suggest the stands you mention would be empty. As a complete switch, during the Wigan game after their 4th goal and the stands were emptying, did anyone hear them singing are you having a fire drill. Just thought i'd mention it, funny at the time. You seem to feel it was acceptable for no one from the club to attend the fans presentation and that the Chairman and Director are part of the package exclusive to the East Stand... As for stands emptying, there's not much to hang around for the buffets and bars close before the end of the game and it's pretty desolate under the stands. The point is a lot of the Chairman and directors time is spent in the company of a small minority of fans and the majority of fans aren't happy with what's on offer during a match day for them
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Post by didntwantosignup on May 5, 2016 16:10:23 GMT 1
Where have I said it's acceptable for no one from the club to attend? I havn't. Were you under the impression that MM, players etc would attend, if so that was wrong. You are turning this around, all I have done is defend my position as a supporter, nothing else. And where have I said the directors etc are exclusive to the Sovereign? Again I havn't. The point is the Chairman and directors spend most of the time in the company of the opposition directors and very little time in the Sovereign Suite.
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Post by davycrockett on May 5, 2016 16:20:21 GMT 1
Where have I said it's acceptable for no one from the club to attend? I havn't. Were you under the impression that MM, players etc would attend, if so that was wrong. You are turning this around, all I have done is defend my position as a supporter, nothing else. And where have I said the directors etc are exclusive to the Sovereign? Again I havn't. The point is the Chairman and directors spend most of the time in the company of the opposition directors and very little time in the Sovereign Suite. I didn't mean to continue this but MM was due to attend hence being given the chance to choose the date that was convenient. I was on the OSC coach to Walsall and Simon of the OSC definitely said MM and players would be in attendance and encouraged fans to attend.... Read Brians embarrassed response to a fans question.... It was more what you didn't say We would appreciate your view?
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Post by davycrockett on May 5, 2016 16:24:15 GMT 1
Here is my letter and the reply. Credit to Mr. Caldwell for a prompt response but make of it what you will! Hi Sheila Many thanks for your email, i am always grateful for any feedback good or bad. Hopefully i can explain a little of the background to last night. I had spoken to Micky a few weeks ago to select a date that would be best for him and the players to be there. As it turned out he picked last night assuming with the game being on Sunday this week, players be off Monday and train Tuesday. However with the events at the weekend Micky decided to give the players extra time and he went to Blackpool to spend a few days with his family. I personally couldn’t make last night but with the intended date selected to suit Micky and the players being there i hadn’t thought that would be an issue but unfortunately due to the results at the weekend and the training plan changing this has affected everything. I had explained Micky’s situation to Chris Smith and Mike Davis but assume this message hasn’t been passed on. With regard to Jamie receiving an award, hopefully this was explained at the evening as Jamie came down with a sickness bug on Monday night as he was planning to be there until this affected him and he was off yesterday (and still off sick today) I do agree however that in future we need to learn from this and ensure there is a better turn out of Coaching staff and players. Regards Brian Brian Caldwell Chief Executive Shrewsbury Town FC Greenhous Meadow Oteley Road Shrewsbury SY2 6ST brian.caldwell@shrewsburytown.co.uk www.shrewsburytown.comwww.facebook.com/ShrewsburyTownFC/Twitter:@shrewsweb Tel: 01743 289177 Fax: 01743 246972 Dear Mr. Caldwell, I feel compelled to write to you regarding the fans' event yesterday evening. This is event is organised by the fans for the fans and involves quite a lot of hard work particularly on the part of one person, Chris Smith, who does a lot of work on behalf of the fans and also runs the Superblues Club, a fund raiser for the club. It was good to see quite a few of the players in attendance although three of the award winners were absent. One, I presume, had no choice as his home club had asked for his return. However, it was a pity that he couldn't stay to meet some very grateful supporters. Our captain and the others did outstanding jobs in collecting the awards for the absentees. However, my main reason for writing is the complete absence at the evening of any of the non playing staff. For the second year running, neither the manager nor his assistant were there and, I am sorry to say, neither were you. Last year, at least your predecessor was in attendance. Even a member of staff who was to receive an award was absent although the person sent in his place did an admirable job. Throughout this somewhat difficult season, we have been continually congratulated as fans for 'keeping the faith', supporting the manager, the club and the team, through thick and thin. Last night was the ideal opportunity for some of these words to be put into action and appreciation shown in person. Words mean absolutely nothing without the actions to follow them. The supporters who attended last night were the hard core home and away fans. Many of whom have travelled long distances and spent small fortunes to support our team. We are not the type of people to be rude to members of staff at a social function or to abuse them in any way. We all appreciate what a difficult season this has been. In my opinion, in the absence of an official club representative, it was quite appalling that our compère had to thank us all for the evening and the awards. Also, I presume that, as no member of staff was there to report on the event, they will be very little about it on Shrewsweb. Another sad oversight I feel. On a personal note, I would be very grateful if you would pass on my best wishes to Mickey Demitriou who, in spite of what I will call a not very good year, was there last night and picked up an award for an absentee. His manner, demeanour and the way he answered the questions put to him were very dignified and beyond reproach. He should have a good future when his football career is finished. He stayed talking to the fans and the children who were there. I wish him every success in the future. I am sorry to have to write in this vein, but you did tell us that, if you don't know about our concerns, you can't address them. Yours sincerely,
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Post by salopstan on May 5, 2016 16:46:51 GMT 1
What a sorry state of affairs! Fans at each other throats, supporters being blamed for not carrying out a job the club should be doing. It would seem they didn't even bother advertising the awards ceremony. And then from the ivory tower we have talk of increasing our gates to 6000, whilst quietly in the background all our money gets stashed away so when the decision comes to sell there's a good old nest egg to sell on. But wait.... The directors don't take anything out of the club!
I'd say now is time for the fans to make their position clear but the fact is we are so split thanks to years of this bull**** that it would never happen.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2016 17:08:05 GMT 1
One of the reasons I left the Trust was due to the mistrust, petty politics and protectionism of the various supporter groups.
One of the reasons I un-volunteered from the SP is because I have a feeling it will go the same way. The CEO mentioning an active member of the SP by name in correspondence and the appearance of OSCshrew gives a hint of things to come. I genuinely hope I'm wrong mind.
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Post by didntwantosignup on May 5, 2016 17:09:31 GMT 1
I have read the letter. Pretty thin excuse I agree. Still can't see though what this has to do with me being a Sovereign member
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2016 17:18:44 GMT 1
On the staff vs supporters game - Whits is trying to sort us a date and to be fair the club have always been very helpful with supporting us with kit etc including the current season.
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Post by ssshrew on May 5, 2016 17:21:08 GMT 1
I have read the letter. Pretty thin excuse I agree. Still can't see though what this has to do with me being a Sovereign member It really, really has absolutely nothing to do with where fans choose to watch a match from as far as I am concerned. We are all entitled to do whatever we wish to support the team it makes no difference. We must all stick together and support through good times and bad times. The fault for this latest shambles lies solely with the club I'm afraid. There are times when we all feel undervalued and this is one of those times. The fact that the event was not advertised on Shrewsweb is bad - I am sure it has been in the past; the fact that there has been no write up on the evening or list of winners is bad even though I mentioned this in my letter. But the fact that the manager and some of the award winners were not there after it being arranged to suit them is dreadful. At the very least an apology should have been put on the website. Fans are feeling aggrieved and rightly so in my opinion. It all leaves a very sour taste. However, this must not split the fan base - there aren't enough of us for that.
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Post by ssshrew on May 5, 2016 17:21:49 GMT 1
On the staff vs supporters game - Whits is trying to sort us a date and to be fair the club have always been very helpful with supporting us with kit etc including the current season. Dont bank on them turning up though!!!!
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Post by suttonshrew on May 5, 2016 17:26:58 GMT 1
As one of the named supporters in that email id just like to say, no supporters should be treated any different whether they sit in the sov seats or the west stand we all support STFC. However the mentality of the club is that there is a difference.
As many of u know I've been involved in fans groups for many years and I'm shocked to see things like this happen but does it surprise me??.... No. It's seems to be the norm at STFC and until that mentality changes it will continue to happen.
Brian like Matt before him is a good bloke and is trying to do his best for the club but just remember he doesn't hold the purse strings, he publicises the boards decisions. I hope to continue working with Brian as we have many things going on that will come to fruition soon but I seriously worry where this club is going at times.
Maybe it's time for some honesty from the top. What are the plans? does the club have a long term plan because let's be honest if we do it's unlikely to include the current chairman whose (74ish) or is it a case of feeding the turkey up before the Christmas sale?
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Post by ssshrew on May 5, 2016 17:31:17 GMT 1
As one of the named supporters in that email id just like to say, no supporters should be treated any different whether they sit in the sov seats or the west stand we all support STFC. However the mentality of the club is that there is a difference. As many of u know I've been involved in fans groups for many years and I'm shocked to see things like this happen but does it surprise me??.... No. It's seems to be the norm at STFC and until that mentality changes it will continue to happen. Brian like Matt before him is a good bloke and is trying to do his best for the club but just remember he doesn't hold the purse strings, he publicises the boards decisions. I hope to continue working with Brian as we have many things going on that will come to fruition soon but I seriously worry where this club is going at times. Maybe it's time for some honesty from the top. What are the plans? does the club have a long term plan because let's be honest if we do it's unlikely to include the current chairman whose (74ish) or is it a case of feeding the turkey up before the Christmas sale? I didn't realise it was you named in the email. Apologies for getting you involved even if it was inadvertently. I suspect Mr Caldwell was as frustrated as the rest of us over this at least that's the vibe I got when reading his email.
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Post by suttonshrew on May 5, 2016 17:36:04 GMT 1
No need for an apology at all.
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Post by ssshrew on May 5, 2016 17:37:43 GMT 1
Thanks.
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