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Post by mattmw on Aug 31, 2015 11:25:33 GMT 1
Think you are being a little bit of a drama queen suggesting we're 300% worse off than a couple of seasons ago. Statistically correct but in practical terms our points difference is just one win and a draw different - which we could easily have got with a little luck. Too short a period to leap in the lifeboats and suggest this team is only capable of getting 14 points this season Also in those two seasons we went out of the League cup in the first round, this season we beat higher league opposition and a premier league to extra time, so overall very little difference to the starts so far. I didn't start comparing you did, but couldn't accept that so far there wasn't much difference when you look at 'the facts', one of which is it's the worst start to the league for at least 12 seasons and I gave up looking then, so not panicking but disappointed with the points total after 5 games with 2 difficult away games to come. Perhaps you can cheer me up with the posatives? I wasn't trying to be positive - just suggesting that in our last 3 seasons in league one we've not started particularly quickly. So we're not in unusual territory and its perhaps more a case of refocusing the ambitions for the season some fans had at the start of the season. As for positives I said in an earlier post I'm struggling to find any. Personally I think we will just about stay up, but long term I don't feel the set up of the club, mainly the external income the club gets in, is enough to allow us to make a good go of League One. Regardless of the manager in charge I think lower league one finish are the limit of our ambitions at the moment
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Post by davycrockett on Aug 31, 2015 11:42:27 GMT 1
I didn't start comparing you did, but couldn't accept that so far there wasn't much difference when you look at 'the facts', one of which is it's the worst start to the league for at least 12 seasons and I gave up looking then, so not panicking but disappointed with the points total after 5 games with 2 difficult away games to come. Perhaps you can cheer me up with the posatives? I wasn't trying to be positive - just suggesting that in our last 3 seasons in league one we've not started particularly quickly. So we're not in unusual territory and its perhaps more a case of refocusing the ambitions for the season some fans had at the start of the season. As for positives I said in an earlier post I'm struggling to find any. Personally I think we will just about stay up, but long term I don't feel the set up of the club, mainly the external income the club gets in, is enough to allow us to make a good go of League One. Regardless of the manager in charge I think lower league one finish are the limit of our ambitions at the moment Agreed except for 'our ambitions' i'd say 'Rolands ambitions' which is the problem........ The clubs position since joining 'the league' has been more third teer than forth except during Rolands reign! yes i know he's our financial saviour but also the least succesful chairman in the clubs history, fact. Now i'm depressed
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 12:22:03 GMT 1
I wasn't trying to be positive - just suggesting that in our last 3 seasons in league one we've not started particularly quickly. So we're not in unusual territory and its perhaps more a case of refocusing the ambitions for the season some fans had at the start of the season. As for positives I said in an earlier post I'm struggling to find any. Personally I think we will just about stay up, but long term I don't feel the set up of the club, mainly the external income the club gets in, is enough to allow us to make a good go of League One. Regardless of the manager in charge I think lower league one finish are the limit of our ambitions at the moment ....the least succesful chairman in the clubs history, fact. Now i'm depressed How are you measuring that?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 13:00:10 GMT 1
....the least succesful chairman in the clubs history, fact. Now i'm depressed How are you measuring that? I think davycrockett means league history, although he does have 2 promotions from league 2 he has 2 relegations from league 2 and 1 to the conference and before Roland became Chairman, Shrewsbury Town Football Club had only spent 4 or 5 seasons in the 4 tier since joining the league in 1950 compared to 15 and 1 in the Conference. Tim Yates and Ken Woodhouse had spells of Chairman in the 2nd tier and 3rd tier and Tim Yates had 1 in the 4th tier with immediate promotion. Even under Ray Bailey we had a promotion and 2 seasons in the third tier plus a trip to Wembly in the Auto Windscreen final.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 13:18:10 GMT 1
How are you measuring that? I think davycrockett means league history, although he does have 2 promotions from league 2 he has 2 relegations from league 2 and 1 to the conference and before Roland became Chairman, Shrewsbury Town Football Club had only spent 4 or 5 seasons in the 4 tier since joining the league in 1950 compared to 15 and 1 in the Conference. Tim Yates and Ken Woodhouse had spells of Chairman in the 2nd tier and 3rd tier and Tim Yates had 1 in the 4th tier with immediate promotion. Even under Ray Bailey we had a promotion and 2 seasons in the third tier plus a trip to Wembly in the Auto Windscreen final. Well I'd guessed that, but there's more to it than what happens on the pitch, which to a large degree is beyond RW's control.
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Post by sussexshrew on Aug 31, 2015 13:30:20 GMT 1
People talk about wing backs but with Brown on the pitch this system does not exist. We had a Right back, 3 Center Halves, a left mid, 3 defensive mids and two strikers today. No balance to the side. Any claim we have returned to last seasons system are ridiculous. We had two proper wing backs and two defensive styles midfielders alongside someone like Bobby Grant. Yep, that's exactly how I interpreted our system on Saturday - rather lopsided. It's a case of hitting on the right balance and I'm sure Micky will get there before too long. I agree with Nicko, I don't get the impression we're locked into some hopeless downward spiral - I think we can compete in this division - but we need a win for the sake of confidence as much as anything else. "lopsided" was my view after the Palace game too. Especially left sided. After that super spell of dominance in the 20 minutes after half time, when we had them chasing shadows, we seemed to completely lose our shape, and once we seemed to have just one plan left, lofting it high towards JLAA, that lopsidedness showed up more. Obviously JLAA was the target man and as he lined up left, and others, particularly Collins were trying to feed off him, there was absolutely nobody on the right. So when Jayson's kicking radar malfunctioned, which it started to do a lot, especially when being hassled by Gayle... and he sliced it right, there was no town player within 30 yards of the ball, so they got possession immediately back and the waves of attacks just came rolling in. I know that Grant is only on the Fleetwood bench at the mo, but I think we are missing him. He did link midfield and attack, bringing the ball through, along the ground, especially from the right, with his diagonal runs and he was a potent goal threat, certainly at the back end of the season. He did that so well at Fratton Park last year, and I did think about the acres of space he would have had to operate in, lining up as we are at the moment. Yes we can start to get some results, but battling for survival isn't what we were looking forward to this season, certainly I wasn't, I'm having enough of that with Sussex CCC, and I am still very sad that MM broke up the promotion team so quickly in both shape and personnel. Maybe he is right, maybe Gayle, Demetriou and Grant aren't good enough for Division 1, but I wish he had given them a chance to grow with us... kept our shape, kept our team spirit and kept our options open. I doubt they could have done any worse.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 13:40:33 GMT 1
I think davycrockett means league history, although he does have 2 promotions from league 2 he has 2 relegations from league 2 and 1 to the conference and before Roland became Chairman, Shrewsbury Town Football Club had only spent 4 or 5 seasons in the 4 tier since joining the league in 1950 compared to 15 and 1 in the Conference. Tim Yates and Ken Woodhouse had spells of Chairman in the 2nd tier and 3rd tier and Tim Yates had 1 in the 4th tier with immediate promotion. Even under Ray Bailey we had a promotion and 2 seasons in the third tier plus a trip to Wembly in the Auto Windscreen final. Well I'd guessed that, but there's more to it than what happens on the pitch, which to a large degree is beyond RW's control. Please expand.... what advantage has Shrewsbury Town Football club gained or acheived since the pre Roland Wycherly days, yes he did financially stop the club going into administration, although who is to say someone else or consortium would not have in 1997 and that was after 47 years of league history of which 10 years in the 2nd tier, 33 in the 3rd tier and 4 in the 4th tier!
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Post by davycrockett on Aug 31, 2015 14:18:19 GMT 1
I think davycrockett means league history, although he does have 2 promotions from league 2 he has 2 relegations from league 2 and 1 to the conference and before Roland became Chairman, Shrewsbury Town Football Club had only spent 4 or 5 seasons in the 4 tier since joining the league in 1950 compared to 15 and 1 in the Conference. Tim Yates and Ken Woodhouse had spells of Chairman in the 2nd tier and 3rd tier and Tim Yates had 1 in the 4th tier with immediate promotion. Even under Ray Bailey we had a promotion and 2 seasons in the third tier plus a trip to Wembly in the Auto Windscreen final. Well I'd guessed that, but there's more to it than what happens on the pitch, which to a large degree is beyond RW's control. fred answerd the question re how measured correctly...... As for what happens on the pitch being beyond Rolands control i'd argue he's in complete control by picking the right manager as well as having the final say in which players are signed, what the palying budget is, how much revenue is raised through commercial affairs by appointing the right people to run that side... It's like saying the chaiman of a company has no controls over it's financial performance in teh market.......... The only success Roland has had is moving the club to a souless new stadium, but has the failed to raise the commercial revenue he said would follow and improve the squad
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Post by davycrockett on Aug 31, 2015 14:20:56 GMT 1
Well I'd guessed that, but there's more to it than what happens on the pitch, which to a large degree is beyond RW's control. Please expand.... what advantage has Shrewsbury Town Football club gained or acheived since the pre Roland Wycherly days, yes he did financially stop the club going into administration, although who is to say someone else or consortium would not have in 1997 and that was after 47 years of league history of which 10 years in the 2nd tier, 33 in the 3rd tier and 4 in the 4th tier! Stopping us going into liquidation probably held us back look at Bournmouth et al.......
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 14:21:29 GMT 1
Well I'd guessed that, but there's more to it than what happens on the pitch, which to a large degree is beyond RW's control. fred answerd the question re how measured correctly...... As for what happens on the pitch being beyond Rolands control i'd argue he's in complete control by picking the right manager as well as having the final say in which players are signed, what the palying budget is, how much revenue is raised through commercial affairs by appointing the right people to run that side... It's like saying the chaiman of a company has no controls over it's financial performance in teh market.......... The only success Roland has had is moving the club to a souless new stadium, but has the failed to raise the commercial revenue he said would follow and improve the squad Our playing budget has increased significantly since moving to the GM. Our league positions since moving have reflected that.
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Post by davycrockett on Aug 31, 2015 14:31:12 GMT 1
fred answerd the question re how measured correctly...... As for what happens on the pitch being beyond Rolands control i'd argue he's in complete control by picking the right manager as well as having the final say in which players are signed, what the palying budget is, how much revenue is raised through commercial affairs by appointing the right people to run that side... It's like saying the chaiman of a company has no controls over it's financial performance in teh market.......... The only success Roland has had is moving the club to a souless new stadium, but has the failed to raise the commercial revenue he said would follow and improve the squad Our playing budget has increased significantly since moving to the GM. Our league positions since moving have reflected that. No so sure about that, what happened in 13/14 and not looking great so far this year though still early days.. Sure enough his shares have gone up in valuue enormously so i suppose thats a success for him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 14:41:57 GMT 1
Our playing budget has increased significantly since moving to the GM. Our league positions since moving have reflected that. No so sure about that, what happened in 13/14 and not looking great so far this year though still early days.. Sure enough his shares have gone up in valuue enormously so i suppose thats a success for him. Wage bill in millions to the year ended 30 June as follows: 2007 (last year at Gay Meadow) 1.6 2008 2.5 2009 2.9 2010 2.6 2011 2.7 2012 2.7 2013 2.8 2014 2.7 Do we have to keep going through this merry go round of you posting rubbish and me proving it wrong? I'm getting bored of this and the whole 'we lose a few games and people start blaming the players, manager and chairman' thing. The modern football fan at their worst.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 15:05:14 GMT 1
No so sure about that, what happened in 13/14 and not looking great so far this year though still early days.. Sure enough his shares have gone up in valuue enormously so i suppose thats a success for him. Wage bill in millions to the year ended 30 June as follows: 2007 (last year at Gay Meadow) 1.6 2008 2.5 2009 2.9 2010 2.6 2011 2.7 2012 2.7 2013 2.8 2014 2.7 Do we have to keep going through this merry go round of you posting rubbish and me proving it wrong? I'm getting bored of this and the whole 'we lose a few games and people start blaming the players, manager and chairman' thing. The modern football fan at their worst. Ant, I don't quite follow what are you proving wrong? yes the budget has increased likewise so have the majority of clubs. It could be argued had the budget not increased STFC could pe a fixture in the conference for several years, but like anything a club has to move forward, like Shrewsbury Town Football Club did from 1950 to 1997, and like other clubs have also done, some with ground moves, Chesterfield, Doncaster, S****horpe, Walsall, Colchester, Swindon, Gillingham, Rotherham, and more, clubs who were regular Third division fixtures from our old Third Division days. If you check I am sure you will find evidence that those clubs turnover have increased to a similar percentage if not more. Ant, can i suggest you consider wider financial picture affecting STFC and similar clubs before your time supporting the club and then consider if Shrewsbury Town has kept pace or is still behind the clubs above who we were on par with in the 60's 70's and 80's? I would also add that I am not having a rant at the current staff I am firmly in support of MM and think he can take us further. Regarding RW I do not doubt his desire and efforts in the best interest of STFC and the ground move, just making the point that in my opinion that during the last 25 years STFC are just below historically where the club should sit!
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 31, 2015 15:09:29 GMT 1
No so sure about that, what happened in 13/14 and not looking great so far this year though still early days.. Sure enough his shares have gone up in valuue enormously so i suppose thats a success for him. Wage bill in millions to the year ended 30 June as follows: 2007 (last year at Gay Meadow) 1.6 2008 2.5 2009 2.9 2010 2.6 2011 2.7 2012 2.7 2013 2.8 2014 2.7 Do we have to keep going through this merry go round of you posting rubbish and me proving it wrong? I'm getting bored of this and the whole 'we lose a few games and people start blaming the players, manager and chairman' thing. The modern football fan at their worst. I think that maybe a little harsh Ant. Second time around now mate. If we keep struggling each time we make it up then folk are bound to start wondering whether the chairman has what it takes to get us consolidated in this division.
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Post by mattmw on Aug 31, 2015 15:25:08 GMT 1
Surely those figures about the playing budget clearly demonstrate we haven't improved our off field revenue streams in the last five years.
If you consider the wider picture of inflation in wages and extra income TV deals have brought the fact our wage bill has remained static demonstrates why league one survival is about the limit of our ambitions
It's not a dig at the Chairman as such, just a reflection that perhaps a new approach is needed. No one can knock what he has done for the club, just that after a long time at the helm new investment and ideas are now needed to see us progress
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 15:39:53 GMT 1
We are what we are , a small club near the border with Wales with bigger clubs to the North and East of us trying to survive( and doing very well at it ) on small gates . We should be a League 1 club all day long , we certainly are a selling club and our existence really is reliant not on income generated away from the playing side but on gate money and transfer fees . We should develop our academy which I understand we are doing very successfully , nurture our own players , play them in the first team and then sell them on when we have decent offers . We may get into the Championship , we may pick up a gem from the lower/ non leagues , we may have a few good cup runs / promotions . We may suffer one or two relegations too , indeed we have BUT don't let's be getting carried away now.
Under MM we have achieved promotion , played some of the best football seen at Shrewsbury for some seasons and delighted in some wonderful Cup performances. This season we aren't doing too well at present and our gates are not particularly what we expected .
What we don't want is to be overly critical of the Manager or Chairman or players .The Manager is doing his best , the Chairman is a local lad made good but doesn't have loads of money and the team have perhaps been a bit unlucky . Don't forget the club has two excellent players out with serious injury .
I am convinced that we will be OK and that MM is the Manager for us , he deserves our support . Let's introduce a bit of realism , sadly lacking on here at times particularly when talk is about how much we have made or should be asking for our players .
Never forget , we are supporting Shrewsbury Town and unless someone comes in to buy the club with more money than sense we will remain in the lower half of the Football Leagues .
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Post by davycrockett on Aug 31, 2015 15:54:44 GMT 1
No so sure about that, what happened in 13/14 and not looking great so far this year though still early days.. Sure enough his shares have gone up in valuue enormously so i suppose thats a success for him. Wage bill in millions to the year ended 30 June as follows: 2007 (last year at Gay Meadow) 1.6 2008 2.5 2009 2.9 2010 2.6 2011 2.7 2012 2.7 2013 2.8 2014 2.7 Do we have to keep going through this merry go round of you posting rubbish and me proving it wrong? I'm getting bored of this and the whole 'we lose a few games and people start blaming the players, manager and chairman' thing. The modern football fan at their worst. You've proved nothing except the wage bill has gone up since we left GM. I't's what is done with the wage bill that is relevant ..... bit of a surprise that the wage bill is lower now than 6 years ago. You would have expected the turnover of the club to build year on year as the commercial side of the business grew but that doesn't seem to be the case. Oh and you can ignor my posts if they anoy you that much, but if you care to look back I give credit when it's due but am critical when things aren't going well, think thats being fair.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 16:02:03 GMT 1
Well I'd guessed that, but there's more to it than what happens on the pitch, which to a large degree is beyond RW's control. ......although who is to say someone else or consortium would not have in 1997 and that was after 47 years of league history of which 10 years in the 2nd tier, 33 in the 3rd tier and 4 in the 4th tier! Not sure why I have to expand on anything, I'm not making any outlandish claims. And you're creating a strawman argument.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 16:05:27 GMT 1
Well I'd guessed that, but there's more to it than what happens on the pitch, which to a large degree is beyond RW's control. fred answerd the question re how measured correctly...... As for what happens on the pitch being beyond Rolands control i'd argue he's in complete control by picking the right manager as well as having the final say in which players are signed, what the palying budget is, how much revenue is raised through commercial affairs by appointing the right people to run that side... It's like saying the chaiman of a company has no controls over it's financial performance in teh market.......... The only success Roland has had is moving the club to a souless new stadium, but has the failed to raise the commercial revenue he said would follow and improve the squad Well if you think securing the long term future of the Club insignificant, all be it in what you term a soulless stadium, then crack on.
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Post by peterjones1 on Aug 31, 2015 16:15:11 GMT 1
Stoke have had a poor start this season after two excellent campaigns under Mark Hughes. Likewise Bristol City in the Championship and Barnet in L2 after title winning efforts last season. I wonder if there is as much knee-jerk panic on their forums as we constantly have on ours.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 16:16:16 GMT 1
......although who is to say someone else or consortium would not have in 1997 and that was after 47 years of league history of which 10 years in the 2nd tier, 33 in the 3rd tier and 4 in the 4th tier! Not sure why I have to expand on anything, I'm not making any outlandish claims. And you're creating a strawman argument. You made the statement "there's more to it than what happens on the pitch, which to a large degree is beyond RW's control" so was asked to expand? It would also appear you are do not want to acknowledge the other side of opinion so why comment in the first place? Read more: blueandamber.proboards.com/thread/91023/burton-home?page=5#ixzz3kPDBImMS
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Post by bobbytheblock19er on Aug 31, 2015 16:30:28 GMT 1
People have every right to question decisions made by the chairman and manager . Especially after the last time in league 1. As far as I'm concerned Mellon has done the easy part of the job in getting promotion . The real work started in July and we're going to see what he's made of . Can't see him being here if we're in the relegation zone at Christmas . Nobody expected us to have a start like this with this squad .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 16:31:33 GMT 1
Wage bill in millions to the year ended 30 June as follows: 2007 (last year at Gay Meadow) 1.6 2008 2.5 2009 2.9 2010 2.6 2011 2.7 2012 2.7 2013 2.8 2014 2.7 Do we have to keep going through this merry go round of you posting rubbish and me proving it wrong? I'm getting bored of this and the whole 'we lose a few games and people start blaming the players, manager and chairman' thing. The modern football fan at their worst. You've proved nothing except the wage bill has gone up since we left GM. I't's what is done with the wage bill that is relevant ..... bit of a surprise that the wage bill is lower now than 6 years ago. You would have expected the turnover of the club to build year on year as the commercial side of the business grew but that doesn't seem to be the case. Oh and you can ignor my posts if they anoy you that much, but if you care to look back I give credit when it's due but am critical when things aren't going well, think thats being fair. I said the budget had gone up significantly since moving grounds - you said you doubted that - I proved that to be incorrect. I was going to ask next how you could prove your statement about the chairman's shares but let's save that for another day.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 16:33:55 GMT 1
Wage bill in millions to the year ended 30 June as follows: 2007 (last year at Gay Meadow) 1.6 2008 2.5 2009 2.9 2010 2.6 2011 2.7 2012 2.7 2013 2.8 2014 2.7 Do we have to keep going through this merry go round of you posting rubbish and me proving it wrong? I'm getting bored of this and the whole 'we lose a few games and people start blaming the players, manager and chairman' thing. The modern football fan at their worst. I think that maybe a little harsh Ant. Second time around now mate. If we keep struggling each time we make it up then folk are bound to start wondering whether the chairman has what it takes to get us consolidated in this division. If we do I agree but it's 30th August not 30th April. Unfortunately short termism is a part of the modern game I really struggle/ disagree with.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 16:36:19 GMT 1
Not sure why I have to expand on anything, I'm not making any outlandish claims. And you're creating a strawman argument. You made the statement "there's more to it than what happens on the pitch, which to a large degree is beyond RW's control" so was asked to expand? It would also appear you are do not want to acknowledge the other side of opinion so why comment in the first place? Read more: blueandamber.proboards.com/thread/91023/burton-home?page=5#ixzz3kPDBImMSI wanted to know (even though I guessed) how the success, or not, of RW is measured. It's easy to say, 'well we've spent more time in the 4th tier and Conference' etc without considering the play budget provided to Jake King for example. We need to consider that football as a business has changed. For example the amount of money available from TV to those in the top two divisions is vastly different from when Bailey et al were in the chair. We need to consider the changed demographic in the NGM and how people watch their football and chose to spend their money today. We need to look at Hereford, Wrexham, Chester and the host of other clubs that have faced financial turmoil in a changing football world and where we are financially. These are just a few examples, I'm sure others can think of others. As for telling Crocket to 'crack on'. Well when someone puts 'fact' after a statement like that then, without wishing to be rude, I can't take it too seriously.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 16:36:46 GMT 1
Surely those figures about the playing budget clearly demonstrate we haven't improved our off field revenue streams in the last five years. If you consider the wider picture of inflation in wages and extra income TV deals have brought the fact our wage bill has remained static demonstrates why league one survival is about the limit of our ambitions It's not a dig at the Chairman as such, just a reflection that perhaps a new approach is needed. No one can knock what he has done for the club, just that after a long time at the helm new investment and ideas are now needed to see us progress I think it would be a very interesting debate to have but it is difficult to have that debate for sure without knowing how much of the club's revenue is match day vs non match day and then being able to compare to others in a similar position to us. One such variable would be transfer fees and factoring in amounts received for previous players such as Hart, Holt and Edwards which may have (and I am only guessing here) have had an impact on inflating wage bills in earlier years at the stadium.
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Post by davycrockett on Aug 31, 2015 17:26:04 GMT 1
You've proved nothing except the wage bill has gone up since we left GM. I't's what is done with the wage bill that is relevant ..... bit of a surprise that the wage bill is lower now than 6 years ago. You would have expected the turnover of the club to build year on year as the commercial side of the business grew but that doesn't seem to be the case. Oh and you can ignor my posts if they anoy you that much, but if you care to look back I give credit when it's due but am critical when things aren't going well, think thats being fair. I said the budget had gone up significantly since moving grounds - you said you doubted that - I proved that to be incorrect. I was going to ask next how you could prove your statement about the chairman's shares but let's save that for another day. Come on Ant, you said the budget had gone up and our league position reflected that....... I questioned what had happened in 13/14 (a football season not a financial year) obviously refering to 'our league position' not the playing budget.So I repeat you've proved nothing cos I didn't disagree with the first sentence except what does the size of the playing budget matter when your talking about the performance of a club? QPR had the highest budget as a percentage of turnover in the premiership last year, were they a well run club? ... you haven't enlightened us as to why it's now lower now than 6 years ago? The Chaiman will get more for his shares now than he would have if he sold them prior to the move in my opinion, would have thought an accountant would have to agree with that. I'm not trying to get one over on you but you seem to keep wanting to prove me wrong, not sure why we can all have differing opinions.
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Post by davycrockett on Aug 31, 2015 17:34:44 GMT 1
I wanted to know (even though I guessed) how the success, or not, of RW is measured. It's easy to say, 'well we've spent more time in the 4th tier and Conference' etc without considering the play budget provided to Jake King for example. We need to consider that football as a business has changed. For example the amount of money available from TV to those in the top two divisions is vastly different from when Bailey et al were in the chair. We need to consider the changed demographic in the NGM and how people watch their football and chose to spend their money today. We need to look at Hereford, Wrexham, Chester and the host of other clubs that have faced financial turmoil in a changing football world and where we are financially. These are just a few examples, I'm sure others can think of others. As for telling Crocket to 'crack on'. Well when someone puts 'fact' after a statement like that then, without wishing to be rude, I can't take it too seriously. It's a message board so wasn't meant too seriously.... but your right it's my opinion which i believe to be accurate.... As for other clubs that have faced financial turmoil I've already mentiond 1 Bournmouth buckets to pay the wages, twice into receivership .....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 17:47:41 GMT 1
I wanted to know (even though I guessed) how the success, or not, of RW is measured. It's easy to say, 'well we've spent more time in the 4th tier and Conference' etc without considering the play budget provided to Jake King for example. We need to consider that football as a business has changed. For example the amount of money available from TV to those in the top two divisions is vastly different from when Bailey et al were in the chair. We need to consider the changed demographic in the NGM and how people watch their football and chose to spend their money today. We need to look at Hereford, Wrexham, Chester and the host of other clubs that have faced financial turmoil in a changing football world and where we are financially. These are just a few examples, I'm sure others can think of others. As for telling Crocket to 'crack on'. Well when someone puts 'fact' after a statement like that then, without wishing to be rude, I can't take it too seriously. It's a message board so wasn't meant too seriously.... but your right it's my opinion which i believe to be accurate.... As for other clubs that have faced financial turmoil I've already mentiond 1 Bournmouth buckets to pay the wages, twice into receivership ..... Bournemouth are bank rolled by a rather rich Russian, so holding them up as an example of how a club has come back from financial difficulties is skewered by their benefactor. Swansea are a better example, but they have a rather large fan base when compared to us. So how is your opinion formed? How does the budgets provided to Jake King factor into your assertion? What about the profit from the 02/03 season that made us competitive in the Conference? How does the move to the NGM figure in making us competitive in the 4th tier and gives us a chance in the 3rd?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 18:50:58 GMT 1
I said the budget had gone up significantly since moving grounds - you said you doubted that - I proved that to be incorrect. I was going to ask next how you could prove your statement about the chairman's shares but let's save that for another day. Come on Ant, you said the budget had gone up and our league position reflected that....... I questioned what had happened in 13/14 (a football season not a financial year) obviously refering to 'our league position' not the playing budget.So I repeat you've proved nothing cos I didn't disagree with the first sentence except what does the size of the playing budget matter when your talking about the performance of a club? QPR had the highest budget as a percentage of turnover in the premiership last year, were they a well run club? ... you haven't enlightened us as to why it's now lower now than 6 years ago? The Chaiman will get more for his shares now than he would have if he sold them prior to the move in my opinion, would have thought an accountant would have to agree with that. I'm not trying to get one over on you but you seem to keep wanting to prove me wrong, not sure why we can all have differing opinions. Understood and happy to agree to disagree :) now please can we win some football matches to make us all a little less touchy :)
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