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Post by davycrockett on Aug 31, 2015 18:57:40 GMT 1
It's a message board so wasn't meant too seriously.... but your right it's my opinion which i believe to be accurate.... As for other clubs that have faced financial turmoil I've already mentiond 1 Bournmouth buckets to pay the wages, twice into receivership ..... Bournemouth are bank rolled by a rather rich Russian, so holding them up as an example of how a club has come back from financial difficulties is skewered by their benefactor. Swansea are a better example, but they have a rather large fan base when compared to us. So how is your opinion formed? How does the budgets provided to Jake King factor into your assertion? What about the profit from the 02/03 season that made us competitive in the Conference? How does the move to the NGM figure in making us competitive in the 4th tier and gives us a chance in the 3rd? I'll answer te last because I'm not sure the others are relavant. Moving to a stadium with better facilities both for spectators and commercial operations provides the 'opportunity' to increase turnover significantly allowing a higher playing budget thus more competive ..... well thats the theory but there are other factors and thats what the debate is about
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 19:30:51 GMT 1
Bournemouth are bank rolled by a rather rich Russian, so holding them up as an example of how a club has come back from financial difficulties is skewered by their benefactor. Swansea are a better example, but they have a rather large fan base when compared to us. So how is your opinion formed? How does the budgets provided to Jake King factor into your assertion? What about the profit from the 02/03 season that made us competitive in the Conference? How does the move to the NGM figure in making us competitive in the 4th tier and gives us a chance in the 3rd? I'll answer te last because I'm not sure the others are relavant. Moving to a stadium with better facilities both for spectators and commercial operations provides the 'opportunity' to increase turnover significantly allowing a higher playing budget thus more competive ..... well thats the theory but there are other factors and thats what the debate is about Ignoring Bournemouth and Swansea, the point about Jake Kings budget and the 02/03 profits are relevant because they are part of RW's tenure and represent different phases in that tenure. As does the move to Otley Road. Still I think success is measured by more than on field performance when it comes to non footballing management. You don't, fine and I'm sorry I was rude up thread.
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Post by champagneprince on Aug 31, 2015 19:32:13 GMT 1
You're right that it's an opportunity, and one that I am sure Roland scratches his head about every match day. To me, home crowds don't appear to be that much different from when we were in League 2, however the wage bill is surely higher? Or if we want to progress further than battling relegation then perhaps it should be?
Until we get 8000+ each game, then I believe we can't progress significantly unless we can get an academy of young stars coming through and pay them peanuts. That is one thing we have to do but the main question is, how on earth do we get more fans interested in Shrewsbury Town?
There are plenty of football fans out there but they would all rather wash their hair on a Saturday than make a trip to Oteley Road. Perhaps the club can spend a bit of cash on finding out why that is? After all, if you don't know what the problem is how can you put it right?
Let's make no mistake that we are a League 1/League 2 club, trying to be an established League 1 club. We do it well and we're well run, with football secure in our part of the world.
Football is a sport and sport is about winning. However watching football is about much more than that. As ambitious as we all should be, we should also be careful of not wanting to be Man.Utd or Chelsea. They attract a certain fan who wishes for glory above all else, we attract our fans because we want to watch our local team and will embrace the rollercoaster ride that it is.
We're doing ok for the club that we are and this poor start will be put right soon enough. That's because we have a decent manager in charge and a chairman who is supportive but realistic with it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 20:13:33 GMT 1
You're right that it's an opportunity, and one that I am sure Roland scratches his head about every match day. To me, home crowds don't appear to be that much different from when we were in League 2, however the wage bill is surely higher? Or if we want to progress further than battling relegation then perhaps it should be? Until we get 8000+ each game, then I believe we can't progress significantly unless we can get an academy of young stars coming through and pay them peanuts. That is one thing we have to do but the main question is, how on earth do we get more fans interested in Shrewsbury Town? There are plenty of football fans out there but they would all rather wash their hair on a Saturday than make a trip to Oteley Road. Perhaps the club can spend a bit of cash on finding out why that is? After all, if you don't know what the problem is how can you put it right? Let's make no mistake that we are a League 1/League 2 club, trying to be an established League 1 club. We do it well and we're well run, with football secure in our part of the world. Football is a sport and sport is about winning. However watching football is about much more than that. As ambitious as we all should be, we should also be careful of not wanting to be Man.Utd or Chelsea. They attract a certain fan who wishes for glory above all else, we attract our fans because we want to watch our local team and will embrace the rollercoaster ride that it is. We're doing ok for the club that we are and this poor start will be put right soon enough. That's because we have a decent manager in charge and a chairman who is supportive but realistic with it. So how did we win the 3rd Tier in 1979, because we certainly didn't have big crowds and wage bills then? I would argue the same is achievable for Shrewsbury Town in this era!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 20:51:51 GMT 1
You're right that it's an opportunity, and one that I am sure Roland scratches his head about every match day. To me, home crowds don't appear to be that much different from when we were in League 2, however the wage bill is surely higher? Or if we want to progress further than battling relegation then perhaps it should be? Until we get 8000+ each game, then I believe we can't progress significantly unless we can get an academy of young stars coming through and pay them peanuts. That is one thing we have to do but the main question is, how on earth do we get more fans interested in Shrewsbury Town? There are plenty of football fans out there but they would all rather wash their hair on a Saturday than make a trip to Oteley Road. Perhaps the club can spend a bit of cash on finding out why that is? After all, if you don't know what the problem is how can you put it right? Let's make no mistake that we are a League 1/League 2 club, trying to be an established League 1 club. We do it well and we're well run, with football secure in our part of the world. Football is a sport and sport is about winning. However watching football is about much more than that. As ambitious as we all should be, we should also be careful of not wanting to be Man.Utd or Chelsea. They attract a certain fan who wishes for glory above all else, we attract our fans because we want to watch our local team and will embrace the rollercoaster ride that it is. We're doing ok for the club that we are and this poor start will be put right soon enough. That's because we have a decent manager in charge and a chairman who is supportive but realistic with it. So how did we win the 3rd Tier in 1979, because we certainly didn't have big crowds and wage bills then? I would argue the same is achievable for Shrewsbury Town in this era! Wasn't football very different back then, more specifically there was less money in the game and the divide between the divisions was smaller. You had smaller clubs challenging in the top division and teams like Shrewsbury establishing themselves in the second tier. Its not impossible but very difficult nowadays and normally the teams who buck the trend are ones being bankrolled and/or running up huge debts, Bournemouth are a prime example and I get a bit annoyed with some people (particularly the media) who love the rags to riches story when its complete bollox. You only have to look at wages offered in the Championship and by some clubs in our league to realise that its a different ball game compared to our budget. However I am a bit disapointed at us struggling to adapt to life in L1, yes there are some big sides up there but at the same time there's also a lot of clubs who I'd like to think we could compete with.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 21:01:42 GMT 1
So how did we win the 3rd Tier in 1979, because we certainly didn't have big crowds and wage bills then? I would argue the same is achievable for Shrewsbury Town in this era! Wasn't football very different back then, more specifically there was less money in the game and the divide between the divisions was smaller. You had smaller clubs challenging in the top division and teams like Shrewsbury establishing themselves in the second tier. Its not impossible but very difficult nowadays and normally the teams who buck the trend are ones being bankrolled and/or running up huge debts, Bournemouth are a prime example and I get a bit annoyed with some people (particularly the media) who love the rags to riches story when its complete bollox. You only have to look at wages offered in the Championship and by some clubs in our league to realise that its a different ball game compared to our budget. However I am a bit disapointed at us struggling to adapt to life in L1, yes there are some big sides up there but at the same time there's also a lot of clubs who I'd like to think we could compete with. It's all relative, Shrewsbury Towns turnover today compared to the 70's and 80's will show a massive difference! My point earlier was that your Chesterfields, Swindon, Walsall, Rotherham, Gillingham etc all had similar budgets, now these clubs are ahead of us in all aspects of the game, and have been for some time now!
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Post by champagneprince on Aug 31, 2015 22:45:26 GMT 1
That period in the '80's was a golden era for us. We will have another one at some stage but it won't be the norm for us. All those teams you quote will also have their day in the sun, but it won't be the norm for them either. It is possible to do it, possible even to make it to the Premiership, Wigan did it and Bournemouth are there now. That should give everyone hope.
However, there has been money there, much more than what we have and it's a dangerous game to play. Take away the subsidy and what you have left is a fanbase based on glory and when that glory disappears so does the fanbase.
I would much rather we increased the fanbase because people feel involved in the club and enjoy the matchday experience, not just because we might be doing well. I think there is more safety in that approach, and above all else having a professional football club in our town is surely the primary concern for any fan of the game.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 7:14:20 GMT 1
The huge difference between now and the 80s is how TV money is skewed in favour of the top two divisions. That and how clubs gamble their future financial wellbeing on getting there. Like Swindon for example.
Football today is nothing like the 80s.
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