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Post by shrewinjapan on May 30, 2015 14:44:45 GMT 1
Also congrats to Broad for his record - most expensive 5for in test history
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 14:56:49 GMT 1
Well done to Adam Lyth on his first Test 50....Love seeing Cook telling him to get back to it after his celebration!!!
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 17:11:39 GMT 1
Lyth grabs his first ton for England.....Finally a settled opening partnership?
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 18:52:44 GMT 1
Bit of a wobble late on leaves it fairly even.
Think with the weather forecast a draw is quite likely.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 12:22:29 GMT 1
Poor morning for England.....Good counter attack from Broad & Wood.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 16:14:44 GMT 1
Really enjoyed my 2 days at Headingley. This was the first time I had been to this ground to watch a test match in over 30 years. Certainly the facilities have improved over this time, even if some of the boozy antics of some supporters have not. Therefore glad that I avoided the west terrace, the stewards were certainly kept busy the longer the day went on.
Hope to catch the highlights of today's play on TV later on. It's certainly a well balanced test match at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 16:58:08 GMT 1
New Zealand slight favourites for me at the moment
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 18:05:06 GMT 1
New Zealand slight favourites for me at the moment Anymore than 300 lead and I reckon it is series level. England look and sound so flat out there at the minute.
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Post by northwestman on May 31, 2015 19:05:56 GMT 1
Looks like England will be chasing over 400.
Stokes doesn't half serve up some absolute rubbish at times.
And there is no way that Moeen can be classed as a front line spinner. Totally innocuous and milked by both McCullum and Watling.
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Post by northern salopian on May 31, 2015 19:27:52 GMT 1
Looks like England will be chasing over 400. Stokes doesn't half serve up some absolute rubbish at times. And there is no way that Moeen can be classed as a front line spinner. Totally innocuous and milked by both McCullum and Watling. Thought I'd get in on this even though I am very new to the board. Absolutely agree with the sentiments here! I've had many an argument in the pub with a few of the older lads who seem to rate Stokes for whatever reason. He is far too inconsistent. Good to see a local (for me) lad in Wood who has been better today on this performance. Broad is still as 'zealous' as ever...
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Post by vanner on May 31, 2015 19:29:21 GMT 1
Just on the way back from Headingley. 2 great days at the cricket...
We really mucked up yesterday when Lyth was stupidly run out, we should have scored 500 and put the game to bed.. Can't see us chasing this so we need rain! Ali needs to go back to Worcester and bowl some overs. Rashid has a great chance of making his debut in the ashes...
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 19:41:43 GMT 1
Spin is a big concern at the moment.....Root looks better than Ali for me when he bowls and that is a worry. The Aussies will be licking their lips looking to target Ali.
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Post by northwestman on May 31, 2015 19:45:48 GMT 1
Moeen - 15 0 70 0. Bowled a number of bad balls and was never either a threat nor someone who could operate in a containing role. Should not be let anywhere near Australian batsmen.
And am I the only one who is far from impressed with Buttler's wicket keeping, especially when standing up to the spinners?
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Post by northern salopian on May 31, 2015 19:46:44 GMT 1
Moeen - 15 0 70 0. Bowled a number of bad balls and was never either a threat nor someone who could operate in a containing role. Should not be let anywhere near Australian batsmen. What are the odds that he will be...?
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Post by northwestman on May 31, 2015 19:51:40 GMT 1
Moeen - 15 0 70 0. Bowled a number of bad balls and was never either a threat nor someone who could operate in a containing role. Should not be let anywhere near Australian batsmen. What are the odds that he will be...? Very high I'm afraid.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 20:51:06 GMT 1
Moeen - 15 0 70 0. Bowled a number of bad balls and was never either a threat nor someone who could operate in a containing role. Should not be let anywhere near Australian batsmen. And am I the only one who is far from impressed with Buttler's wicket keeping, especially when standing up to the spinners? Perhaps Mooen will improve as the summer progresses; pitches will become drier so that should benefit him? I think the problem with Moeen as well is that he has hardly bowled in domestic cricket so far this season. For someone who is very much learning his trade he needs to be putting in the hard yards if he is to become a decent international spinner. Joss Buttler is an example of another player who also in his own way has been fast tracked into the England team. His keeping, although it is getting better is not yet the finished article. The trend of having to have wicket keeper batsmen hasn't helped. In the past player's learnt their craft at domestic level, it was a case of time served before elavation to the test arena, not any more however in some cases. The inexperience of these 2 mentioned players is then exposed for all to see on TV, they would no doubt get away with it in front of a few 100 spectators at New Road but not when thrust fully into the public eye.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 21:11:45 GMT 1
New Zealand slight favourites for me at the moment Anymore than 300 lead and I reckon it is series level. England look and sound so flat out there at the minute. Yep they have motored now and it will take something special for England to have any chance of getting anything.
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Post by northern salopian on May 31, 2015 21:21:56 GMT 1
Anymore than 300 lead and I reckon it is series level. England look and sound so flat out there at the minute. Yep they have motored now and it will take something special for England to have any chance of getting anything. Why is this new 'ethos' emerging then off fast-tracking young players into international levels? Is it just an English phenomena, somehow influenced by the nation's obsession with finding a rough diamond that we can polish? It happens all too often in football now, with rugby closely going the same way...
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Post by northern salopian on May 31, 2015 21:23:12 GMT 1
Taken from the BBC Sport site:
Highest fourth-innings chases at Headingley
404-3: Australia beat England, 1949
315-4: England beat Australia, 2001
219-7: England beat Pakistan, 1982
186-5: England beat South Africa, 1929
180-7: Pakistan beat Australia, 2010
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Post by lenny on May 31, 2015 21:56:42 GMT 1
Buttler has made some outstanding catches and kept well since coming in - two stunning catches at Lord's stand out. Moeen is a fifth-choice bowler, as is Stokes, and I will keep on saying it - we can't rely on having both of them in a 5 man-attack. Rashid is the obvious spin candidate - and I think he's done alright for Yorkshire this season - and I'd be tempted to look at Keith Barker as an option if we want a different, accurate and economical seamer (also has the benefit of being a leftie, so more variety to the attack). Fella can bat, too!
I believe there is supposed to be plenty of rain on day 5 so we should still stand a chance of salvaging the draw, but we will be needing another Cook/Root special, I suspect. No better time for Bell and Ballance to come back to form, either.
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Post by lenny on May 31, 2015 21:58:12 GMT 1
If we were to take out Bell - although for me, even if he fails again second innings his record is good enough to keep faith in him for another couple of tests - then I'd bring in Barker, put Mo up the order and have an attack with 4 front line bowlers for once.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 22:06:09 GMT 1
Yep they have motored now and it will take something special for England to have any chance of getting anything. Why is this new 'ethos' emerging then off fast-tracking young players into international levels? Is it just an English phenomena, somehow influenced by the nation's obsession with finding a rough diamond that we can polish? It happens all too often in football now, with rugby closely going the same way... There is the old saying in sport, ” If you are good enough you are old enough”. Of course this has been true in so many instances across the world of sport and I'm all for it so long as the individual has the baseline skills and experience to mix it with the best. The last thing you want to see is an individual out of his/her depth due to being promoted too soon. I'm not saying Moeen Ali is out of his depth but he has a long way to go if he is to be an international front line spinner. What I'm still not clear about at the moment is what is his role in the England team, all rounder/batsman who can bowl a bit/front line spinner?
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Post by vanner on May 31, 2015 22:14:49 GMT 1
I wouldn't say buttler and Ali have been fast tracked as such. What you have to remember is Buttler wasn't first choice wicket keeper for his county only 2 seasons ago before he moved to Lancashire. Ali is a batsmen who can bowl spin, not a spin bowler who can bat.
Barker is a great left field (excuse the pun) choice. However, Wood has been very good and I expect he'll play in the ashes. Barker is having another superb season and scored a fantastic hundred the other week.
Regarding Bell, boy is he the most frustrating batsmen ever? The most talented batsmen I've ever seen at close quarters, watching him in the nets is incredible.. He needs a score but he should play in the ashes. The Aussies rate him VERY highly and 2005 aside, has a very good record against them.
Good day for local cricket too as young Ed Barnard made his county championship debut in a very Shropshire looking Worcester team. Oliver, leach, Barnard and shantry all played today.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 22:22:31 GMT 1
Buttler has made some outstanding catches and kept well since coming in - two stunning catches at Lord's stand out. Moeen is a fifth-choice bowler, as is Stokes, and I will keep on saying it - we can't rely on having both of them in a 5 man-attack. Rashid is the obvious spin candidate - and I think he's done alright for Yorkshire this season - and I'd be tempted to look at Keith Barker as an option if we want a different, accurate and economical seamer (also has the benefit of being a leftie, so more variety to the attack). Fella can bat, too! I believe there is supposed to be plenty of rain on day 5 so we should still stand a chance of salvaging the draw, but we will be needing another Cook/Root special, I suspect. No better time for Bell and Ballance to come back to form, either. Keith Barker, now that's a decent shout. He's had a good start to the season with both ball and bat.
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Post by lenny on May 31, 2015 22:34:41 GMT 1
I wouldn't say buttler and Ali have been fast tracked as such. What you have to remember is Buttler wasn't first choice wicket keeper for his county only 2 seasons ago before he moved to Lancashire. Ali is a batsmen who can bowl spin, not a spin bowler who can bat. Barker is a great left field (excuse the pun) choice. However, Wood has been very good and I expect he'll play in the ashes. Barker is having another superb season and scored a fantastic hundred the other week. Regarding Bell, boy is he the most frustrating batsmen ever? The most talented batsmen I've ever seen at close quarters, watching him in the nets is incredible.. He needs a score but he should play in the ashes. The Aussies rate him VERY highly and 2005 aside, has a very good record against them. Good day for local cricket too as young Ed Barnard made his county championship debut in a very Shropshire looking Worcester team. Oliver, leach, Barnard and shantry all played today. Wood thoroughly deserves his place in the team - he's bowled really well, excellent pace and is a genuine frontline seamer, plus he can bat a bit, too. Stokes' knock the other week keeps him in the side, and he's the kind of young, aggressive player who will be forming the future of the team. Obviously Jimmy and Broad are shoo-ins, so the only way Barker would get in would be if we played Root as our only spinner, or out a batsmen and view Stokes and Ali both as what they are - batsmen who can bowl. In fairness to Ali, he always gets attacked and that's how he gets his wickets, and it won't always work out for him. Same with Stokes. Bell has such outstanding pedigree and is, for me, the most attractive player in test cricket to watch when he's in full flow; McCullum et al are obviously exciting when they're whacking it out the park but Bell is just so incredibly elegant. However, he's been poor for a while now and, if we want another bowler - which today has shown we badly need - then, realistically, they will have to replace Bell or Ballance at present - neither of which I would want to do just yet. I remember someone saying that Bell always needs reassuring and telling he's a wonderful batsmen, even now, before he goes out to bat as opposed to the much younger Root who just goes out and makes runs without a care in the world.
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Post by shrewinjapan on Jun 1, 2015 0:04:35 GMT 1
Bell has such peaks and troughs to his form - how many times has he been struggling badly only to hit a purple patch and start scoring hundreds just as he is getting close to being dropped. Then other times he seems to be in fine form but finds the most ridiculous ways of getting himself out. A fine, elegant batsman who has scored so many valuable runs for England, yet overall so frustrating.
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Post by Worceshrew on Jun 1, 2015 0:30:30 GMT 1
Good day for local cricket too as young Ed Barnard made his county championship debut in a very Shropshire looking Worcester team. Oliver, leach, Barnard and shantry all played today. Don't forget our Joe Clarke! 5 Shropshire boys in there, great to see Ed picking up his first wicket as well, Clarke and himself are very highly rated down here, no surprise to see them given their chances. Agree with much of what has been said, I'll be happy to have Mo back at New Road for a while, just not looking dangerous at the moment, his length seems to be all over the place and they're going after him, maybe some overs in the championship would do him good. Root frankly looks more likely and I'm often surprised that he doesn't bowl more, always seems to pick up wickets. For me Rashid should have been given the chance out in the Windies in the first test while Mo was injured, Tredwell was a safe option and despite bowling well and taking wickets lost his place as soon as Moeen was fit again so we might as well have given Rashid an opportunity to show what he's got, we might even have had similar results to those we've had with Wood who I've been really impressed with. As it is if we were to change it now he'd be coming into an Ashes series in his first game, far from ideal and I expect we'll stick with Mo. Feel like New Zealand already have enough and with one eye on the forecast they'll come out and smash a few more runs and be happy having 5 sessions to bowl us out. It's gonna take something special to chase down over 350 and it's probably going to be closer to, if not over 400, I suspect the record will have to be broken.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 10:53:14 GMT 1
What I would give for a spin bowler like Giles now. He wasn't the best spinner in the world but at least the captain could turn to him to exert a little control over the run rate. I don't think Cook has anyone who can control the run rate and that is a massive problem and it will be moving forward.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 11:00:18 GMT 1
What I would give for a spin bowler like Giles now. He wasn't the best spinner in the world but at least the captain could turn to him to exert a little control over the run rate. I don't think Cook has anyone who can control the run rate and that is a massive problem and it will be moving forward. Taking of run rates has anyone seen the highlights of the Gayle 150 odd at Taunton....with such short boundaries at the ground I thin the first T20 double hundred could happen....
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Post by vanner on Jun 1, 2015 11:07:11 GMT 1
Was following the game on cricinfo whilst we toiled against watling. Not a bad start that for Gayle after his 90 odd in the previous game.
England need quick wickets and then another huge opening stand to have a chance. I'll start my rain dance...
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