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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 11:33:11 GMT 1
Was following the game on cricinfo whilst we toiled against watling. Not a bad start that for Gayle after his 90 odd in the previous game. England need quick wickets and then another huge opening stand to have a chance. I'll start my rain dance... Watling gone after Broad shelled Craig off Anderson....Prepare the rain dance!
England have dropped 11 catches in these two games.....one thing that will be changing when Bayliss arrives I think!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 11:56:19 GMT 1
Can England go better than the Aussie Invincibles? I think not!
Highest ever run chase at Leeds is 404 by the Aussies in 1949. England now need 421 and it will be more as NZ have 3 wickets remaining.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 1, 2015 12:29:01 GMT 1
455 to win.
No chance whatsoever. Nor will the weather save them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 12:41:39 GMT 1
Great shout on the Cricket247 forum;
"I think this performance will help to dampen expectations following the remarkable test at Lords, which England somehow won. To be fair they have already won 1 more test this summer than I thought they would but the Aussies will be licking their lips at the prospect of handing out another whitewash. England could easily struggle to win an ODI this summer too given the inexperienced bowling attack they are likely to field."
I cant argue against any of it to be fair!
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Post by vanner on Jun 1, 2015 18:36:09 GMT 1
I feel a hell of a lot more positive about the ashes than I did 3 weeks ago. We've discovered that Woods and Lyth can perform at the highest level which is a huge plus. Hopefully Lyth can finally be Strauss's replacement.
We've also learnt that Stokes the batsmen is worth a spot in the team but stokes the bowler is no more than a 4th seamer at best currently. There's still a lot of other positives to take out of this series such as Cook continuing his excellent form, Broad's batting coming back and Buttler's keeping to the seamers being of a very high standard.
What needs to be remembered is the relative inexperience of this lineup. The team has very high potential but has 7 newcomers to test cricket. Rough guesses here but I reckon the Aussies have twice as many caps at least.
Cook 105 Lyth 2 Ballance 12 Bell 110 Root 25 Stokes 10 Buttler 15 Ali 15 Broad 90 Wood 2 Jimmy 104
Compare that to the Aussies and I reckon they might even have 3 times the games. NZ are the same and probably have twice as many.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 20:14:30 GMT 1
I feel a hell of a lot more positive about the ashes than I did 3 weeks ago. We've discovered that Woods and Lyth can perform at the highest level which is a huge plus. Hopefully Lyth can finally be Strauss's replacement. We've also learnt that Stokes the batsmen is worth a spot in the team but stokes the bowler is no more than a 4th seamer at best currently. There's still a lot of other positives to take out of this series such as Cook continuing his excellent form, Broad's batting coming back and Buttler's keeping to the seamers being of a very high standard. What needs to be remembered is the relative inexperience of this lineup. The team has very high potential but has 7 newcomers to test cricket. Rough guesses here but I reckon the Aussies have twice as many caps at least. Cook 105 Lyth 2 Ballance 12 Bell 110 Root 25 Stokes 10 Buttler 15 Ali 15 Broad 90 Wood 2 Jimmy 104 Compare that to the Aussies and I reckon they might even have 3 times the games. NZ are the same and probably have twice as many. May not be the starting eleven come the first test but a potential Aussie starting eleven: Warner 36 Rogers 20 Watson 56 Smith 26 Clarke 108 Haddin 63 Marsh 4 Lyon 39 Hazelwood 3 Starc 15 Johnson 64 Overall on paper we have more caps 490 vs 434 BUT 4 of our team share 84% of them. It does illustrate how inexperienced England will be in a few years time when the likes of Bell & Anderson step down.
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Post by bertymax on Jun 1, 2015 20:36:54 GMT 1
With still a day to play (weather permitting) I feel there are some positives to take from the series against a very good New Zealand team, but a few causes for concern too with the Aussies just around the corner, let's start with my positives...
Cook... it's been coming but he has finally found some form just at the right time, still a bit too conservative for me with his captaincy but it's such a relief to get him back in nick lyth...it's been a bit of a problem area for a while but we might have found a more than useful opener, great pair of hands too, get him in the slip cordon for christs sake Stokes... The Aussies are wary of him coz he plays like one of them Wood... Looks like he has the potential to make an impression this summer, seems to have overtaken Plunkett in pecking order Root...our one true consistently good performer and a great charachter to have in the team.
The concerns Bell...quality player but needs to find some form in English conditions, used to be a safe pair of hands in slip cordon but not up to his usual high standards Balance...looked like a rabbit caught in the headlights against Trent Boult at times, his fielding in slips is a concern too, dropped more than one this series. Moeen... Finding it impossible to bowl a consistent length for some reason, Aussies will take him apart. Our spin dept is a huge concern for me and I say this as a Worcestershire fan but sorry, Ali is not up to it.
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Post by lenny on Jun 1, 2015 21:03:53 GMT 1
Why Bell is fielding second slip is beyond me. He isn't a great slip catcher, never has fielded there and Lyth does brilliantly there for Yorkshire - he's renowned for his catching for God's sake!
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Post by northern salopian on Jun 1, 2015 21:05:26 GMT 1
Why Bell is fielding second slip is beyond me. He isn't a great slip catcher, never has fielded there and Lyth does brilliantly there for Yorkshire - he's renowned for his catching for God's sake! Stop using logic and reason with sport!
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Post by mrbunny on Jun 1, 2015 21:18:21 GMT 1
Why Bell is fielding second slip is beyond me. He isn't a great slip catcher, never has fielded there and Lyth does brilliantly there for Yorkshire - he's renowned for his catching for God's sake! Why is Bell not at short leg? Probably the best short leg fielder in the world and we are using him at slip where he keeps dropping them.
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Post by vanner on Jun 1, 2015 21:38:06 GMT 1
Why Bell is fielding second slip is beyond me. He isn't a great slip catcher, never has fielded there and Lyth does brilliantly there for Yorkshire - he's renowned for his catching for God's sake! Why is Bell not at short leg? Probably the best short leg fielder in the world and we are using him at slip where he keeps dropping them. Indeed. Lyth is a fantastic slip, one of the best in the game. Makes absolutely no sense.
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Post by vanner on Jun 2, 2015 8:26:35 GMT 1
Weather forecast is windy but fairly dry, I think we'll have to bat 98 overs to save the game. One part of me see's us ending up on about 300-4 and the other part see's is being bowled out for 150.
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Post by lenny on Jun 2, 2015 11:56:08 GMT 1
FFS. That's the game gone then. Brilliant catch by Latham.
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Post by vanner on Jun 2, 2015 11:56:38 GMT 1
Perhaps I was optimistic with 150. 62-4 and a good forecast. 1-1 with 1 to play. Oh wait...
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Post by Minormorris64 on Jun 2, 2015 11:58:11 GMT 1
Mmmmmmmmmmm 4 down, I think Mr Bell could be playing a bit more often with Mr Trott
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Post by vanner on Jun 2, 2015 12:06:07 GMT 1
Mmmmmmmmmmm 4 down, I think Mr Bell could be playing a bit more often with Mr Trott With his current form, I wouldn't want him back in the Warwickshire team! Seriously though, he's struggling but he'll have 2 tests at least against the Aussies before he'll be replaced. I see Roy got his highest first class score with a great counter attacking hundred and the Aussies had a stinker in a warmup game. Keep the faith haha!!
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Post by venceremos on Jun 2, 2015 12:11:28 GMT 1
As soon as I saw Joe Root saying they could do something special and chase down 455, I sensed the game was up. Silly fool should have kept quiet. Need a miracle now to draw.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 12:15:17 GMT 1
Self destruct well and truly pressed
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Post by lenny on Jun 2, 2015 12:59:28 GMT 1
Mmmmmmmmmmm 4 down, I think Mr Bell could be playing a bit more often with Mr Trott With his current form, I wouldn't want him back in the Warwickshire team! Seriously though, he's struggling but he'll have 2 tests at least against the Aussies before he'll be replaced. I see Roy got his highest first class score with a great counter attacking hundred and the Aussies had a stinker in a warmup game. Keep the faith haha!! Been in great form this season: averaging 64 at a SR of 94! Definitely a future test player - a first class strike rate of over 80 is exactly the kind of thing I like to see! Long term successor to Bell?
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Post by lenny on Jun 2, 2015 13:00:33 GMT 1
Now Stokes gone. 66 overs to survive with 5 wickets left.
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Post by bertymax on Jun 2, 2015 13:23:39 GMT 1
if we are being honest with ourselves, N.Z coming out of this series with anything less than a draw would be a travesty, they have been the better team with the exception of a bit of a lapse at Lords. However, its the nature of England's performance that really rankles with me characterised by some pretty brainless batting in particular (once again) by Bell. Where has it gone so horribly wrong for him? Worried about balance too, he looks any left arm paceman's bunny at the moment.
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Post by vanner on Jun 2, 2015 13:25:47 GMT 1
With his current form, I wouldn't want him back in the Warwickshire team! Seriously though, he's struggling but he'll have 2 tests at least against the Aussies before he'll be replaced. I see Roy got his highest first class score with a great counter attacking hundred and the Aussies had a stinker in a warmup game. Keep the faith haha!! Been in great form this season: averaging 64 at a SR of 94! Definitely a future test player - a first class strike rate of over 80 is exactly the kind of thing I like to see! Long term successor to Bell? Personally I see/hope the pecking order is Taylor, Hales, Hildreth and finally Roy for a spot in the middle order. However I expect 3 of the 4 to play in the ODI's so a couple of hundreds and who knows...
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Post by lenny on Jun 2, 2015 13:53:27 GMT 1
Been in great form this season: averaging 64 at a SR of 94! Definitely a future test player - a first class strike rate of over 80 is exactly the kind of thing I like to see! Long term successor to Bell? Personally I see/hope the pecking order is Taylor, Hales, Hildreth and finally Roy for a spot in the middle order. However I expect 3 of the 4 to play in the ODI's so a couple of hundreds and who knows... Leaning looks like yet another huge talent from Yorkshire's set up, too. It's an exciting generation (although Hildreth's a bit older) with the modern brand of cricket that is coming through. Still think we have a bright future, just need some standout bowlers to suggest they can replace our two main men when they finally decline.
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Post by vanner on Jun 2, 2015 14:03:20 GMT 1
Personally I see/hope the pecking order is Taylor, Hales, Hildreth and finally Roy for a spot in the middle order. However I expect 3 of the 4 to play in the ODI's so a couple of hundreds and who knows... Leaning looks like yet another huge talent from Yorkshire's set up, too. It's an exciting generation (although Hildreth's a bit older) with the modern brand of cricket that is coming through. Still think we have a bright future, just need some standout bowlers to suggest they can replace our two main men when they finally decline. I wouldn't be disappointed in onions being recalled, he's the modern day Martin Saggers if you remember him. I see also Finny got 4 wickets the other day too and with guys like Harris in form too there's certinaly options. He'll look like Oliver robinson, taking wickets and scoring runs for fun!
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Post by northwestman on Jun 2, 2015 14:03:28 GMT 1
Lees is reckoned by quite a few in Yorkshire to be even better than Lyth.
It needs some brave selection, but at present neither Ballance nor Bell should be chosen against Australia.
We need a front line spinner too. It's an absolutely crazy policy for Moeen to be learning his trade in Tests when he hasn't really been a regular front line spinner for Worcestershire. 181 1st Class wickets at an average of 38.99 isn't too impressive a return.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 2, 2015 14:05:29 GMT 1
Taylor seems to have suffered the same fate as Compton. Neither are flavour of the month with the selectors.
Reasonably decent returns but very quickly ditched.
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Post by lenny on Jun 2, 2015 14:14:20 GMT 1
Leaning looks like yet another huge talent from Yorkshire's set up, too. It's an exciting generation (although Hildreth's a bit older) with the modern brand of cricket that is coming through. Still think we have a bright future, just need some standout bowlers to suggest they can replace our two main men when they finally decline. I wouldn't be disappointed in onions being recalled, he's the modern day Martin Saggers if you remember him. I see also Finny got 4 wickets the other day too and with guys like Harris in form too there's certinaly options. He'll look like Oliver robinson, taking wickets and scoring runs for fun! Only been following cricket closely for three or four years, so I don't remember! However, I do rate Onions - just his injuries and age mean he's hardly one for the future. Finn bowled well in some of the white ball stuff over the winter, but was also dreadful sometimes and just needs to find that consistency. Harris is certainly sending it down well (and can bat) and Wood has shown enough to suggest that he can stay in the side if he stays fit for a long time. So I guess we are covered with some decent seamers (I also really rate Woakes), it's just finding the one who can replace Jimmy's role (although nobody will be as good for a long time) on the big stage that will be problematic. And, of course, the spin is the biggest problem. Maybe Root as the occasional spinner and four seamers plus Stokes is the way we could go? One medium, like Barker (or Roy as a part-timer)? Moeen has the knack of taking wickets but is always expensive and will be Worcestershire's third-choice spinner when Ajmal comes back. Maybe the best thing for him is to do what Buttler did and move counties to focus on his spin (rather than keeping!).
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Post by vanner on Jun 2, 2015 14:22:40 GMT 1
Taylor seems to have suffered the same fate as Compton. Neither are flavour of the month with the selectors. Reasonably decent returns but very quickly ditched. I disagree. His stock grew over the winter and he captained the ODI side recently (admittedly a weaker team but still). I think he'll have a great shot of forcing his way into the test team if he performs in the ODI's. One thing to remember is Bayliss will come in with a fresh approach and things will change quite a bit. Lenny - Saggers used to take 100 wickets a season at 25 a piece bowling wicket to wicket basically. He barely played for the national side which was such a shame. I forgot about Woakes, certainly wouldn't rule him out having a big shout of a few tests this summer.
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Post by lenny on Jun 2, 2015 14:25:03 GMT 1
Difference between Taylor and Compton is age - Taylor just wasn't quite ready when he was given his test debut and has gone back to his county and performed well and improved as a player. Was probably our best batsman in ODIs after being brought in.
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Post by lenny on Jun 2, 2015 14:33:02 GMT 1
Real blow, Cook gone to the tightest of reviews. Impact and Wickets both umpire's call.
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