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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 17:08:43 GMT 1
Sam Robson gone cheaply yet again.
He's going to need a couple of decent knocks before this series ends otherwise he's going to come under pressure from the likes of Adam Lyth by the time Australia arrive next summer.
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Post by mrbunny on Aug 7, 2014 17:13:26 GMT 1
Well if we can bat well today and tomorrow we may win before the weather ruins the game.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 17:32:02 GMT 1
The issue is only England can turn 8 - 4 into a +300 score by not being able to deal with middle and bottom order. lmost definate if that was Eng batting we would be all out by now or pretty close Dealt with it pretty well in the end I'd say. Time for some positive intent and who knows we might be very close to their score by the close. Very surprised when I got in, Well done, and I am about to have some humble pie with chips!!
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Post by vanner on Aug 7, 2014 18:25:00 GMT 1
Dealt with it pretty well in the end I'd say. Time for some positive intent and who knows we might be very close to their score by the close. Very surprised when I got in, Well done, and I am about to have some humble pie with chips!! Haha to be fair the way we've bowled to teams tails in the last 3 years you were very much correct with your concerns. 90-2 as I write this, came back well after 2 early wickets.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 12:09:35 GMT 1
Not the best of mornings so far for England, shame Ian Bell is out, he looked set for a big score.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 12:28:25 GMT 1
This will not reach day 5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 12:34:21 GMT 1
This will not reach day 5 Indeed....at this rate India could well be batting a second time come early afternoon. Moeen Ali is struggling dealing with the short pitched delivery.
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Post by shrewinjapan on Aug 8, 2014 12:37:50 GMT 1
Making a pig's ear of getting a decent lead.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 20:07:07 GMT 1
Poor that play had to be abandoned at 5:40 due to part of the ground resembling a bog. Play could have gone onto 7:30 otherwise and no wonder spectators were miffed. If I had shelled out close to £70 for a ticket I too would not have been pleased.
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Post by vanner on Aug 8, 2014 21:53:10 GMT 1
Poor that play had to be abandoned at 5:40 due to part of the ground resembling a bog. Play could have gone onto 7:30 otherwise and no wonder spectators were miffed. If I had shelled out close to £70 for a ticket I too would not have been pleased. Another perfect example of the stupidity surrounding some of the "ICC PLAYING CONDITIONS" or whatever they call it. Absolutely beggars belief. Old Trafford has a serious issue in that corner with the drainage, especially so with the poor weather, quite worrying to be honest. Hopefully we can crack on and get a 150/200 lead tomorrow and skittle them!
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Post by mrbunny on Aug 9, 2014 9:57:18 GMT 1
So Moeen can't bat at this level, nor can Robson. Good job for Moeen his bowling has been a revelation and he has that to fall back on.
How long till we end up with another Yorkie in the top 6? Lyth/Lees anyone?
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Post by vanner on Aug 9, 2014 10:43:14 GMT 1
So Moeen can't bat at this level, nor can Robson. Good job for Moeen his bowling has been a revelation and he has that to fall back on. How long till we end up with another Yorkie in the top 6? Lyth/Lees anyone? Lol. Ali almost saved a test match with one of the best hundreds of all time a couple of months ago in only his 2nd test. His innings was superb... He's got a few issues against the short/quickest stuff and that's probably due to the fact he plays 2nd division cricket and rarely faces much bowling above 85 MPH. If you're going to say he can't play at this level then you could argue Cook can't either as he keeps getting out caught behind . Ali is still averaging close to 40 and his bowling figures are superb, perhaps he might be better lower down the order and who knows maybe Stokes/Woakes will become our long term number 6 and Ali can slot in at number 8? Robson needs a score but you need to give him the last test too before dropping him. I'd personally give Varun Chopra a go at the top of the innings. He's 27, knows his game, and has been scoring runs for run for 3 seasons now. You could argue he only averages 36.55 in first class cricket but he had a terrible start to his career and is now flourishing. Unfortunately he's made more runs in ODI and t20 cricket this year and has had a poor first class season which will mean the best he can hope for is a spot in the lions tour's this winter. I just hope we give some serious consideration to Alex Hales in the ODI and eventually the test team for the West Indies in 2015. He's clearly a superb player and you only need to look at Australia to see how successful these "20/20 only" players can be...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2014 10:59:48 GMT 1
So Moeen can't bat at this level, nor can Robson. Good job for Moeen his bowling has been a revelation and he has that to fall back on. How long till we end up with another Yorkie in the top 6? Lyth/Lees anyone? Lol. Ali almost saved a test match with one of the best hundreds of all time a couple of months ago in only his 2nd test. His innings was superb... He's got a few issues against the short/quickest stuff and that's probably due to the fact he plays 2nd division cricket and rarely faces much bowling above 85 MPH. If you're going to say he can't play at this level then you could argue Cook can't either as he keeps getting out caught behind . Ali is still averaging close to 40 and his bowling figures are superb, perhaps he might be better lower down the order and who knows maybe Stokes/Woakes will become our long term number 6 and Ali can slot in at number 8? Robson needs a score but you need to give him the last test too before dropping him. I'd personally give Varun Chopra a go at the top of the innings. He's 27, knows his game, and has been scoring runs for run for 3 seasons now. You could argue he only averages 36.55 in first class cricket but he had a terrible start to his career and is now flourishing. Unfortunately he's made more runs in ODI and t20 cricket this year and has had a poor first class season which will mean the best he can hope for is a spot in the lions tour's this winter. I just hope we give some serious consideration to Alex Hales in the ODI and eventually the test team for the West Indies in 2015. He's clearly a superb player and you only need to look at Australia to see how successful these "20/20 only" players can be... Good post. Dominic Cork was making that point last night that gone are the days when every county had at least a couple of quick bowlers on the books, and seriously quick at that. Marshall, Roberts, Garner, Clarke, Donald; just some of the quicks who used to be on the domestic scene. Moeen Ali will know that it's up to him to work on his technique, I think he will.
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Post by mrbunny on Aug 9, 2014 11:02:23 GMT 1
If you think the Aussies aren't going to bounce him out next summer then you are in for a shock. He isn't a top 6 player at test level with that technical fault. Have no problem if he drops down the order as basically we have no other bugger in the spin department and he looks a decent option for now.
As for opener, Lyth has to be the one, same age as Chopra but better record overall and having a great season again. Would probably pick Robson for last test but we did drop Carberry and Compton for having a similar record.
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Post by vanner on Aug 9, 2014 13:11:20 GMT 1
If you think the Aussies aren't going to bounce him out next summer then you are in for a shock. He isn't a top 6 player at test level with that technical fault. Have no problem if he drops down the order as basically we have no other bugger in the spin department and he looks a decent option for now. As for opener, Lyth has to be the one, same age as Chopra but better record overall and having a great season again. Would probably pick Robson for last test but we did drop Carberry and Compton for having a similar record. No of course they're going to bounce him out. He's certainly got the temperament to be a top 6 batsmen and he's got bags of potential with both bat and ball. I'd rather him at number 6 than Buttler.
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Post by mrbunny on Aug 9, 2014 15:17:14 GMT 1
Horrible incident earlier with broad getting hit in face after hooking previous two balls for 6.
Not bowling so our chances of a win are lowered with the bad weather about as Jordan and Woakes don't look like getting the wickets that Broad would.
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Post by shrewinjapan on Aug 9, 2014 18:00:46 GMT 1
Horrible incident earlier with broad getting hit in face after hooking previous two balls for 6. Not bowling so our chances of a win are lowered with the bad weather about as Jordan and Woakes don't look like getting the wickets that Broad would. We didn't need Broad to bowl - total capitulation from the Indians. Two more wickets needed for victory inside three days (for the first time v India since 1967).
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Post by mrbunny on Aug 9, 2014 18:06:56 GMT 1
Be some effort to lose in 3 days when one lost more than half of it anyway.
Jordan and Woakes not bowled very well but the beard has done for them again.
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Post by lenny on Aug 9, 2014 18:44:33 GMT 1
2 in 2 for Jordan to round it off and give him some respectable figures overall, 3-92 isn't brilliant but certainly isn't terrible either. Get the impression his batting and fielding will keep him in the side.
Fantastic bowling from Ali - perhaps Woakes could bat at 6 if we're going to persist with him. Ali looks like he needs more time on his batting than bowling which is ironic!
Robson will be given the last test - probably rightly - but another failure for him will really open the door for Lyth and Hales over the winter to try and break in. Hales would be something very different at the top of the order. As for bowling, Steve Finn may well end up back in the side next year alongside Broad, Anderson and one from Woakes, Stokes, Jordan and Plunkett.
Finally, credit Jos Buttler. Two different types of innings, looking accomplished behind the stumps bar one dropped catch (although still the best keeper of the series so far). Certainly risen to challenge so far much better than I had expected. He has had some fortune, but he's made the most of it well. Early days, but that's looking yet another selection to be vindicated.
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Post by vanner on Aug 9, 2014 22:50:45 GMT 1
Same 11 bar Finn for Broad is my guess at this stage. Great win.
I'd swap Woakes and Ali in batting order too. Woakes has a very impressive FC record.
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Post by mrbunny on Aug 15, 2014 13:07:20 GMT 1
Looks like another game won in the opening session by our bowlers.
India are terrible.
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Post by lenny on Aug 15, 2014 13:31:14 GMT 1
What an incredible turnaround over the last 3 tests. Remarkable.
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Post by shrewinjapan on Aug 15, 2014 13:41:28 GMT 1
Shame you can't be made to follow on from the 1st innings of the game, absolutely pathetic stuff from the Indian top order. Total capitulation.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 15:46:52 GMT 1
So one sided it is embarrassing.
You want to see sides test each other and at least be competitive, India just look like they have given up.
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Post by vanner on Aug 15, 2014 17:51:24 GMT 1
Although we are indeed on top, I think 144 is worth a lot more on a usual pitch so india are probably only 80 from a par score of about 220. Big game of Sam Robson...
Great to see the back up seamers doing so well too after the last game.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 20:12:44 GMT 1
Although we are indeed on top, I think 144 is worth a lot more on a usual pitch so india are probably only 80 from a par score of about 220. Big game of Sam Robson... Great to see the back up seamers doing so well too after the last game. MS Dhoni's 82 at least saved India from the embarrassment of not even reaching 100....
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Post by Slackbladder on Aug 15, 2014 21:37:53 GMT 1
Although we are indeed on top, I think 144 is worth a lot more on a usual pitch so india are probably only 80 from a par score of about 220. Big game of Sam Robson. I think that's correct. I hope England don't regret dropping Sharma before they got to 100, it doesn't look like they will at the moment but things can change quickly. There are plenty of positives from the last three tests from an England point of view but the most striking thing is the lack of fight and application shown by the tourists, Dhoni excepted.
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Post by vanner on Aug 15, 2014 22:39:13 GMT 1
It reminds me of their lack of fight from the last home series too. They were shambolic in that 4-0 drubbing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 20:06:00 GMT 1
The summer of test cricket has come to an end and what a turnaround by England. This team has a way to go but they have been impressive in the last 3 tests, although India in the meantime have fallen apart.
It's a long time now to the next test match...April next year in Antigua.
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Post by vanner on Aug 17, 2014 20:14:39 GMT 1
Destroyed...
Bring on months of pyjama cricket!!
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