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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 30, 2024 8:59:04 GMT 1
This may be all rumour. But if MM remains in post he has to understand the fan's rules, if a young, inexpensive player is good enough to be in the starting 11 then PH has signed a hungry, talented youngster. If it doesn't work out MM has signed a dud from Lidl.
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Post by ProudSalopian on Apr 30, 2024 9:09:58 GMT 1
This may be all rumour. But if MM remains in post he has to understand the fan's rules, if a young, inexpensive player is good enough to be in the starting 11 then PH has signed a hungry, talented youngster. If it doesn't work out MM has signed a dud from Lidl. People will give credit where it's due, for example fans have been complimentary about Jason Sraha this season and are happy if that is the sort of player the model brings in. I say 'for example' whereas in reality he's the only one who could be remotely considered a success story
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Post by Pilch on Apr 30, 2024 9:17:51 GMT 1
This may be all rumour. But if MM remains in post he has to understand the fan's rules, if a young, inexpensive player is good enough to be in the starting 11 then PH has signed a hungry, talented youngster. If it doesn't work out MM has signed a dud from Lidl. you mean the kind of rumour that cheltenham reporter Jon Palmer would have 100% mentioned ?
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 30, 2024 9:18:49 GMT 1
This may be all rumour. But if MM remains in post he has to understand the fan's rules, if a young, inexpensive player is good enough to be in the starting 11 then PH has signed a hungry, talented youngster. If it doesn't work out MM has signed a dud from Lidl. People will give credit where it's due, for example fans have been complimentary about Jason Sraha this season and are happy if that is the sort of player the model brings in. I say 'for example' whereas in reality he's the only one who could be remotely considered a success story People might give credit where it's due, but haven't we seen in the past that once our more vociferous fans take a dislike you are thrown to the lions.
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Post by ProudSalopian on Apr 30, 2024 9:26:42 GMT 1
People will give credit where it's due, for example fans have been complimentary about Jason Sraha this season and are happy if that is the sort of player the model brings in. I say 'for example' whereas in reality he's the only one who could be remotely considered a success story People might give credit where it's due, but haven't we seen in the past that once our more vociferous fans take a dislike you are thrown to the lions. I'm not sure vociferous and Shrewsbury Town fans belong in the same sentence! But yes clearly, if things are not going well then fans will turn, we are no different to any other set of fans. Personally, if you are accusing anyone of throwing Moore to the lions then it is the chairman, not the fans. With Caldwell & Cotterill gone, Moore was thrust into the limelight, something which he has said himself does not come naturally to him. In the absence of any engagement from the chairman, it was left to Moore to try and front it out to the fans/media, at a time when there was so much uncertainty over the future. Because of that Moore has been the public face and felt the brunt from fans, and yes some of it may be unfair.
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Post by chirkshrew on Apr 30, 2024 9:29:15 GMT 1
Yep....played s**t satday.....so nothing new there....bar the away games,nothing changed....and he couldn't wait to announce it....don't blame him
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Post by talkingoftheshrews on Apr 30, 2024 11:00:03 GMT 1
This may be all rumour. But if MM remains in post he has to understand the fan's rules, if a young, inexpensive player is good enough to be in the starting 11 then PH has signed a hungry, talented youngster. If it doesn't work out MM has signed a dud from Lidl. People will give credit where it's due, for example fans have been complimentary about Jason Sraha this season and are happy if that is the sort of player the model brings in. I say 'for example' whereas in reality he's the only one who could be remotely considered a success story Agree. To my eyes, Sraha (and Ogbeta in recent years) are the sort of signings we should be making. Young players who've been released from elite academies, maybe a bit raw but the fundamentals are there that with good coaching, they'll thrive (and be a sellable asset). Obviously that's not a unique idea, but it seems like one which is the most viable way for success. Particularly given we don't have any sort of in-house scouting structure (excluding Moore & Ware, I believe our in person scouting is done by third parties). Scouting lesser leagues (League of Ireland, lower Scottish divisions and non league) can also work, but we just don't seem to have the infrastructure for it.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Apr 30, 2024 11:04:10 GMT 1
This may be all rumour. But if MM remains in post he has to understand the fan's rules, if a young, inexpensive player is good enough to be in the starting 11 then PH has signed a hungry, talented youngster. If it doesn't work out MM has signed a dud from Lidl. People will give credit where it's due, for example fans have been complimentary about Jason Sraha this season and are happy if that is the sort of player the model brings in. I say 'for example' whereas in reality he's the only one who could be remotely considered a success story But then you look at someone like Sraha and think Hurst doesn’t seem particularly enthused by him, given he bought Anderson in from the cold to fill in the last few games. All seems clear as mud to me.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Apr 30, 2024 11:18:46 GMT 1
People will give credit where it's due, for example fans have been complimentary about Jason Sraha this season and are happy if that is the sort of player the model brings in. I say 'for example' whereas in reality he's the only one who could be remotely considered a success story But then you look at someone like Sraha and think Hurst doesn’t seem particularly enthused by him, given he bought Anderson in from the cold to fill in the last few games. All seems clear as mud to me. He knew Anderson was going back at the end of the season, and possibly he could and might still get him back if he liked what he saw in the final few games as his contract is up (I think) this summer. So those few games were probably a bit of a trial looking towards next seasons squad. Sraha is our player and Hurst knows he will be able to work on him over the summer to see what he can get from him.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Apr 30, 2024 11:58:24 GMT 1
But then you look at someone like Sraha and think Hurst doesn’t seem particularly enthused by him, given he bought Anderson in from the cold to fill in the last few games. All seems clear as mud to me. He knew Anderson was going back at the end of the season, and possibly he could and might still get him back if he liked what he saw in the final few games as his contract is up (I think) this summer. So those few games were probably a bit of a trial looking towards next seasons squad. Sraha is our player and Hurst knows he will be able to work on him over the summer to see what he can get from him. Would be amazed if he used crucial away games at Bolton and Charlton, when safety was far from secured as a trial period for a player who’d barely even made his bench in months and months. I think he just thinks he’s s better player than Sraha at the current time. But my overarching point is there has to be synergy between the types of players Moore will be looking at bringing in and whether Hurst will actually want and use them.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Apr 30, 2024 12:24:17 GMT 1
He knew Anderson was going back at the end of the season, and possibly he could and might still get him back if he liked what he saw in the final few games as his contract is up (I think) this summer. So those few games were probably a bit of a trial looking towards next seasons squad. Sraha is our player and Hurst knows he will be able to work on him over the summer to see what he can get from him. Would be amazed if he used crucial away games at Bolton and Charlton, when safety was far from secured as a trial period for a player who’d barely even made his bench in months and months. I think he just thinks he’s s better player than Sraha at the current time. But my overarching point is there has to be synergy between the types of players Moore will be looking at bringing in and whether Hurst will actually want and use them. You have to hope that Hurst and Moore (if he remains here) actually work together to get in players they both want. If not Moore has to go.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 30, 2024 12:28:50 GMT 1
He knew Anderson was going back at the end of the season, and possibly he could and might still get him back if he liked what he saw in the final few games as his contract is up (I think) this summer. So those few games were probably a bit of a trial looking towards next seasons squad. Sraha is our player and Hurst knows he will be able to work on him over the summer to see what he can get from him. Would be amazed if he used crucial away games at Bolton and Charlton, when safety was far from secured as a trial period for a player who’d barely even made his bench in months and months. I think he just thinks he’s s better player than Sraha at the current time. But my overarching point is there has to be synergy between the types of players Moore will be looking at bringing in and whether Hurst will actually want and use them. Hurst said on the radio pre match Bolton sraha had picked up a knock
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Post by suttonshrew on Apr 30, 2024 12:44:52 GMT 1
Micky was brought in to keep the budget and unearth gems to sell on. Thats failed to materialise and in fact the mistakes hes made on loans and the Irish lads have cost the club a small fortune.
With Hurst and Doig we certainly dont need a DOF in role as they are capable of taking on those duties.
Feel for Moore but as in any job, things change. Probably the bets option for all would be a move back to Chelts. Its going to be a busy summer throughout the club by the looks of it!
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Post by venceremos on Apr 30, 2024 12:49:36 GMT 1
This may be all rumour. But if MM remains in post he has to understand the fan's rules, if a young, inexpensive player is good enough to be in the starting 11 then PH has signed a hungry, talented youngster. If it doesn't work out MM has signed a dud from Lidl. People will give credit where it's due, for example fans have been complimentary about Jason Sraha this season and are happy if that is the sort of player the model brings in. I say 'for example' whereas in reality he's the only one who could be remotely considered a success story You don't consider Mal Benning to have been a success?
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Post by tarporleyblue on Apr 30, 2024 12:51:48 GMT 1
Micky was brought in to keep the budget and unearth gems to sell on. Thats failed to materialise and in fact the mistakes hes made on loans and the Irish lads have cost the club a small fortune. With Hurst and Doig we certainly dont need a DOF in role as they are capable of taking on those duties. Feel for Moore but as in any job, things change. Probably the bets option for all would be a move back to Chelts. Its going to be a busy summer throughout the club by the looks of it! We had enough upheaval this time last season. I just hope that we are not in for a repeat given this rumour.
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Post by venceremos on Apr 30, 2024 12:55:41 GMT 1
Micky was brought in to keep the budget and unearth gems to sell on. Thats failed to materialise and in fact the mistakes hes made on loans and the Irish lads have cost the club a small fortune. With Hurst and Doig we certainly dont need a DOF in role as they are capable of taking on those duties. Feel for Moore but as in any job, things change. Probably the bets option for all would be a move back to Chelts. Its going to be a busy summer throughout the club by the looks of it! I'm not a Moore fan particularly but I think changing strategic direction after less than one year would be laughably inept. Piling the footballing direction of the club (which goes well beyond recruitment from one season to the next) onto a here today, gone tomorrow manager (whoever it happens to be) would be a backward step. If Moore goes and we scrap the DoF role then we'll know for certain this is a clueless, directionless club in desperate need of fresh blood at the top.
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 30, 2024 12:59:11 GMT 1
Micky was brought in to keep the budget and unearth gems to sell on. Thats failed to materialise and in fact the mistakes hes made on loans and the Irish lads have cost the club a small fortune. With Hurst and Doig we certainly dont need a DOF in role as they are capable of taking on those duties. Feel for Moore but as in any job, things change. Probably the bets option for all would be a move back to Chelts. Its going to be a busy summer throughout the club by the looks of it! So, with a busy summer ahead, who do you think is going to negotiate with agents, sign players, ensure the financial side is ok? The stuff that BC used to do, do you expect Liam to spend all summer doing that?
Then there's the assessment of players, a helping hand to Hurst, released players and released Academy prospects from other clubs to assess, and the future of our own Academy to make pay it's way.
Going to be a busy summer for Hurst, Doig and the Director of Football!
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Post by ProudSalopian on Apr 30, 2024 13:13:22 GMT 1
People will give credit where it's due, for example fans have been complimentary about Jason Sraha this season and are happy if that is the sort of player the model brings in. I say 'for example' whereas in reality he's the only one who could be remotely considered a success story You don't consider Mal Benning to have been a success? I do, but the post was specifically talking about youngsters and he certainly isn't one. Taylor & Moore talked about signing exciting, youthful players to develop, we signed 7 young lads on loan + Sraha + Mata + Perry + Idowu + Tulloch. That is 12 players and the only one who played regularly was Perry and not many fans would be sad to see him go
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Post by jamo on Apr 30, 2024 13:16:33 GMT 1
People might give credit where it's due, but haven't we seen in the past that once our more vociferous fans take a dislike you are thrown to the lions. Sorry, but that is palpable nonsense. No one has been ‘thrown to the lions’ because any number of fans made their voices heard on match days. No amount of vociferous fans are responsible for the recruitment and retention of any club player or official. The responsibility for that lies elsewhere.
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 30, 2024 13:33:24 GMT 1
People might give credit where it's due, but haven't we seen in the past that once our more vociferous fans take a dislike you are thrown to the lions. Sorry, but that is palpable nonsense. No one has been ‘thrown to the lions’ because any number of fans made their voices heard on match days. No amount of vociferous fans are responsible for the recruitment and retention of any club player or official. The responsibility for that lies elsewhere. Good to know that you at least will be rooting for Mickey Moore to be successful in the Director of Football role here at Shrewsbury.
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Post by jamo on Apr 30, 2024 13:58:56 GMT 1
Sorry, but that is palpable nonsense. No one has been ‘thrown to the lions’ because any number of fans made their voices heard on match days. No amount of vociferous fans are responsible for the recruitment and retention of any club player or official. The responsibility for that lies elsewhere. Good to know that you at least will be rooting for Mickey Moore to be successful in the Director of Football role here at Shrewsbury. That’s not what I said. But then you know that. I want any official or player to be successful. But in this instance- and I am certainly not a lone voice, I very much doubt that this particular appointment, within the current management set-up is going to be. Very happy to be proven wrong. But the very fact it is a highly topical debate on 2 separate football clubs messagebiards suggests to me that there may just be something underway.
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Post by venceremos on Apr 30, 2024 14:03:31 GMT 1
You don't consider Mal Benning to have been a success? I do, but the post was specifically talking about youngsters and he certainly isn't one. Taylor & Moore talked about signing exciting, youthful players to develop, we signed 7 young lads on loan + Sraha + Mata + Perry + Idowu + Tulloch. That is 12 players and the only one who played regularly was Perry and not many fans would be sad to see him go Fair enough, but recruitment isn't just about young players and also I wouldn't be so quick to write off any young player on the basis of one season in a struggling team.
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 30, 2024 14:37:13 GMT 1
People might give credit where it's due, but haven't we seen in the past that once our more vociferous fans take a dislike you are thrown to the lions. Sorry, but that is palpable nonsense. No one has been ‘thrown to the lions’ because any number of fans made their voices heard on match days. No amount of vociferous fans are responsible for the recruitment and retention of any club player or official. The responsibility for that lies elsewhere. I think you misunderstood, the lions are the vociferous fans, both at matches and on social media.
Recruitment and retention is something for whoever sets the objectives for the job. We don't know how well they are considered to have met those objectives. We can only hope they are meeting them and, if any mistakes have been made, they learn from them and become even better at their job. While any servant of the club is in post I want them to do their best without harassment.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 30, 2024 16:10:15 GMT 1
Sorry, but that is palpable nonsense. No one has been ‘thrown to the lions’ because any number of fans made their voices heard on match days. No amount of vociferous fans are responsible for the recruitment and retention of any club player or official. The responsibility for that lies elsewhere. I think you misunderstood, the lions are the vociferous fans, both at matches and on social media.
Recruitment and retention is something for whoever sets the objectives for the job. We don't know how well they are considered to have met those objectives. We can only hope they are meeting them and, if any mistakes have been made, they learn from them and become even better at their job. While any servant of the club is in post I want them to do their best without harassment.
be quiet and get back in with the lions , how dare you have an opinion on certain 'fans'😝😝
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Apr 30, 2024 16:31:42 GMT 1
Sorry, but that is palpable nonsense. No one has been ‘thrown to the lions’ because any number of fans made their voices heard on match days. No amount of vociferous fans are responsible for the recruitment and retention of any club player or official. The responsibility for that lies elsewhere. I think you misunderstood, the lions are the vociferous fans, both at matches and on social media.
Recruitment and retention is something for whoever sets the objectives for the job. We don't know how well they are considered to have met those objectives. We can only hope they are meeting them and, if any mistakes have been made, they learn from them and become even better at their job. While any servant of the club is in post I want them to do their best without harassment.
Town were booed off at half time on Saturday, does that mean fans want Hurst out? No. If fans are happy they’ll let their opinion be known, equally if they’re unhappy. This isn’t new in football.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 30, 2024 16:34:23 GMT 1
I think you misunderstood, the lions are the vociferous fans, both at matches and on social media.
Recruitment and retention is something for whoever sets the objectives for the job. We don't know how well they are considered to have met those objectives. We can only hope they are meeting them and, if any mistakes have been made, they learn from them and become even better at their job. While any servant of the club is in post I want them to do their best without harassment.
Town were booed off at half time on Saturday, does that mean fans want Hurst out? No. If fans are happy they’ll let their opinion be known, equally if they’re unhappy. This isn’t new in football. Not now obviously
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Post by Exkeeper on Apr 30, 2024 17:32:02 GMT 1
Just wondering if the revolving door in the upper echelons of the Croud Meadow is still revolving?
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Post by Pilch on Apr 30, 2024 17:54:41 GMT 1
Just wondering if the revolving door in the upper echelons of the Croud Meadow is still revolving? it only spins because some of our cancel culture fans are constantly spinning them so fast in order to create a 'vortex' like vacuum to suck our their latest target
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Post by ProudSalopian on Apr 30, 2024 18:58:13 GMT 1
Just wondering if the revolving door in the upper echelons of the Croud Meadow is still revolving? it only spins because some of our cancel culture fans are constantly spinning them so fast in order to create a 'vortex' like vacuum to suck our their latest target It's quite funny to think that we as fans have any impact whatsoever on the comings & goings at the football club (with the exception of a manager and even then, the impact is limited)
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Post by jamo on Apr 30, 2024 19:05:17 GMT 1
It's quite funny to think that we as fans have any impact whatsoever on the comings & goings at the football club (with the exception of a manager and even then, the impact is limited) It is funny. And the more wee drams you have the funnier it becomes
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