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May 12, 2019 22:49:06 GMT 1
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on May 12, 2019 22:49:06 GMT 1
Let's be realistic about this, changes are normally made due to injury or form, and teams can sometimes be very fortunate when they don't suffer either of these during a season, the lucky ones, but most have no choice and some are particularly unfortunate, the unlucky ones.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on May 12, 2019 22:52:12 GMT 1
Yet he still averaged nigh on a change a game... Not sure what else I can add to this discussion to be honest. The stats have been laid out. If we are going to go into the nuances of what quantifies an enforced change or that a change doesn't count because it wasn't in the spine of the team then I'm not really arsed to be honest. As I said originally on this thread when fitness drill Sargent lancsman decided to inform us the best XI should play all 46 games. That's just not possible nor sustainable for a successful team. Liverpool used only 14 players when winning the League in 1965/66, and 2 of those only played 6 games between them. How times have changed! www.lfchistory.net/SeasonArchive/Appearances/7Can anyone turn up the stats for Town winning 3rd division in 78/9? Pretty sure we only had about 14 regular first teamers that season and played over 60 games, including 2 games every week for over 3 months to finish the season due to the bad winter. Yes there were a few fringe players too that filled in for a few games here and there but mostly it was the same 14 (including 2 keepers). Squad rotation? Never heard of it back then.
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Hurst
May 12, 2019 23:31:13 GMT 1
Post by tvor on May 12, 2019 23:31:13 GMT 1
Can anyone turn up the stats for Town winning 3rd division in 78/9? Pretty sure we only had about 14 regular first teamers that season and played over 60 games, including 2 games every week for over 3 months to finish the season due to the bad winter. Yes there were a few fringe players too that filled in for a few games here and there but mostly it was the same 14 (including 2 keepers). Squad rotation? Never heard of it back then. From Breathe on em Salop we used 19 players in 1978/79. Mulhearn, King, Leonard, Turner, Griffin, Hayes, Cross, Lindsay, Atkins, Biggins, Maguire, Keay, Loughnane, Chapman, Tong, Larkin, Wardle, Birch and Roberts
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May 12, 2019 23:41:10 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 23:41:10 GMT 1
Don't you accept that there is a difference between a change because of a rotation policy and changes due to injury for example? I haven't argued differently so not sure what this deliberately obtuse gotcha message is about? As was said he averaged a change a game. Whether that's frequent or not to you. Well that's on you. To me a change made nearly every game is frequent.
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May 12, 2019 23:44:07 GMT 1
Post by tvor on May 12, 2019 23:44:07 GMT 1
Nothing deliberately obtuse, you began earlier in thread by referring to frequent rotation by Hurst then subsequently referred to frequency of changes. They're not the same thing as far as I'm concerned hence the question.
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May 12, 2019 23:49:40 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 23:49:40 GMT 1
Nothing deliberately obtuse, you began earlier in thread by referring to frequent rotation by Hurst then subsequently referred to frequency of changes. They're not the same thing as far as I'm concerned hence the question. Be nice if you learnt the quote function. So it is a gotcha? Here it is. Hurst frequently rotated. A post I beleive you liked stated he made nearly a change a game. Thus. Frequent changes made frequently. Is this OK tvor or I am going to expect another inane rebuttal?
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Post by scooter on May 13, 2019 0:32:33 GMT 1
I don’t understand why people are still going on about changes and rotation. That happened in December and January. Since then we have found a constant shape with the 3 at the back, and the personnel have not been changed very often. SR had to work out where to fit Whalley in when he got him back, and for the last few weeks of the season most of us could have named the likely team without a problem
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Post by Exkeeper on May 13, 2019 6:08:35 GMT 1
Listening to Docherty’s interview, he was not happy when he was “rested” or “rotated”, but now appreciates that SR was right to leave him out as he was becoming jaded. The rest enabled him to come back stronger. As mentioned above, the modern game requires players to cover much greater distances in matches, that they did even ten years ago, and the technology they have now monitors all things fitness-wise.
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Hurst
May 13, 2019 9:40:59 GMT 1
Post by tdk on May 13, 2019 9:40:59 GMT 1
Two points, 1978/79 the game was a lot less intense. Would have been interesting if Opta stats were available, I doubt Dave Roberts ran a mile all game!
Hurst's lack of resting players caught us out at the end of the season. We played like a tired team and looked exhausted in the final.
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May 13, 2019 11:18:22 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 11:18:22 GMT 1
I was under the impression that towards the end of the regular league season he did rest players once it became apparent we were not getting automatic promotion.
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May 13, 2019 11:27:22 GMT 1
Post by stuttgartershrew on May 13, 2019 11:27:22 GMT 1
Sure Scunny fans will be delighted with that. I thought Hurst could easily get another go at the third division considering what he did with us and so I'm surprised he's looking to start again in the 4th. Maybe his confidence has taken a bit of a knock and he wants to build himself up again. Still just all feels a complete waste of an opportunity for all...
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May 13, 2019 12:24:45 GMT 1
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Post by Dale on May 13, 2019 12:24:45 GMT 1
Stefan Payne to Walsall possibly? Clarke did at least play Payne prior to his sacking, so hope springs eternal. It shouldn’t concern us as he isn’t our player anyway.
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May 13, 2019 12:44:34 GMT 1
Post by Minormorris64 on May 13, 2019 12:44:34 GMT 1
Two points, 1978/79 the game was a lot less intense. Would have been interesting if Opta stats were available, I doubt Dave Roberts ran a mile all game! Hurst's lack of resting players caught us out at the end of the season. We played like a tired team and looked exhausted in the final. That's not Dave Roberts in the squad list, pretty sure from memory he left Shrewsbury in 1973/74?, more likely Ian Roberts
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Post by Exkeeper on May 13, 2019 13:32:23 GMT 1
I was playing for Brick Sports around 1973 and Dave Roberts was our coach. I reckon he left STFC around 1974. Ian Roberts was indeed a member of the ‘79 promotion squad.
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Post by Worthingshrew on May 13, 2019 13:37:26 GMT 1
As well as Dave Roberts never running a mile during a game, fans of that era will know that he rarely headed the ball. There used to be a great cheer if he did on rare occasions head it.
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May 13, 2019 15:40:18 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 15:40:18 GMT 1
I was playing for Brick Sports around 1973 and Dave Roberts was our coach. I reckon he left STFC around 1974. *Ian Roberts was indeed a member of the ‘79 promotion squad. *Michael Roberts.
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May 13, 2019 18:08:14 GMT 1
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on May 13, 2019 18:08:14 GMT 1
Can anyone turn up the stats for Town winning 3rd division in 78/9? Pretty sure we only had about 14 regular first teamers that season and played over 60 games, including 2 games every week for over 3 months to finish the season due to the bad winter. Yes there were a few fringe players too that filled in for a few games here and there but mostly it was the same 14 (including 2 keepers). Squad rotation? Never heard of it back then. From Breathe on em Salop we used 19 players in 1978/79. Mulhearn, King, Leonard, Turner, Griffin, Hayes, Cross, Lindsay, Atkins, Biggins, Maguire, Keay, Loughnane, Chapman, Tong, Larkin, Wardle, Birch and Roberts Just dug mine out. Pete Loughnane played 3 games at the start of the season. Michael Roberts 6 games as sub (coming on just once). So that takes it down to 17. Of that 17 Mulhearn and Wardle played about half the games each. Jack Keay over from Steve Hayes just before Christmas. Steve Cross broke into the team only in the last quarter of the season, taking over from Tu4ner, Trevor Birch was signed about the same time. Great to look back at the names back then, certainly no squad rotation . If you were out of the team you had to wait till someone got injured to get back in.
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May 13, 2019 18:28:03 GMT 1
Post by tvor on May 13, 2019 18:28:03 GMT 1
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May 13, 2019 18:33:11 GMT 1
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Post by martinshrew on May 13, 2019 18:33:11 GMT 1
Cracking appointment, I bet they'll bounce straight back.
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May 13, 2019 18:42:45 GMT 1
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Post by SouthStandShrew on May 13, 2019 18:42:45 GMT 1
Cracking appointment, I bet they'll bounce straight back. Even that picture on their struck a chord.
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Post by wakemanender on May 13, 2019 18:55:45 GMT 1
Formed a dislike for Sc***horpe after their display recently at the Meadow and even more so after the cheating at Plymouth. Hurst is a good appointment for them but gives me even more reason to hope they fail next season.
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May 13, 2019 18:58:49 GMT 1
Post by tvor on May 13, 2019 18:58:49 GMT 1
Doig has unsurprisingly followed him, no news about Chris Skitt yet though.
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May 13, 2019 19:18:58 GMT 1
Post by staffordshrew on May 13, 2019 19:18:58 GMT 1
That would have been the end of my job if I was headline writer at the Sloppy Star. I think "Hurst to put the #### in S####horpe" would have done for me.
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May 13, 2019 19:24:01 GMT 1
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Post by martinshrew on May 13, 2019 19:24:01 GMT 1
Doig has unsurprisingly followed him, no news about Chris Skitt yet though. He'll follow, snakey ****er. Least respect for him, claims he knew nothing. b******s.
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May 13, 2019 19:35:51 GMT 1
Post by tvor on May 13, 2019 19:35:51 GMT 1
He better get them promoted, Peter Swann has a habit of getting rid of managers quite often.
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May 13, 2019 19:43:46 GMT 1
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on May 13, 2019 19:43:46 GMT 1
He better get them promoted, Peter Swann has a habit of getting rid of managers quite often. And with that name why shouldn’t he? Got to say, I’ve never heard the name ‘tvor’ before, where is it from?
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May 13, 2019 19:44:59 GMT 1
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on May 13, 2019 19:44:59 GMT 1
Doig has unsurprisingly followed him, no news about Chris Skitt yet though. He'll follow, snakey ****er. Least respect for him, claims he knew nothing. b******s. Is this like your passionate denunciation of the lack of finance for fan season ticket purchases?
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May 13, 2019 20:01:08 GMT 1
Post by Pilch on May 13, 2019 20:01:08 GMT 1
Two points, 1978/79 the game was a lot less intense. Would have been interesting if Opta stats were available, I doubt Dave Roberts ran a mile all game! Hurst's lack of resting players caught us out at the end of the season. We played like a tired team and looked exhausted in the final. That's not Dave Roberts in the squad list, pretty sure from memory he left Shrewsbury in 1973/74?, more likely Ian Roberts
I'm thinking the 70s wasn't a great time to own a barber shop
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May 13, 2019 20:32:59 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 20:32:59 GMT 1
He better get them promoted, Peter Swann has a habit of getting rid of managers quite often. Hopefully he’ll get sacked then he can come back here 😂🎣
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May 13, 2019 21:21:24 GMT 1
Post by GrizzlyShrew on May 13, 2019 21:21:24 GMT 1
He better get them promoted, Peter Swann has a habit of getting rid of managers quite often. Hopefully he’ll get sacked then he can come back here 😂🎣 If Scunny are doing well come the last month of the season maybe BC could drop him a quiet text to see if he is interested in coming back to us...............
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