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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2019 22:05:27 GMT 1
Overall a really good summer for England a fantastic first World Cup win and a creditable draw in The Ashes. Interesting times ahead with a new coach to be appointed, Giles wish to focus more on red ball cricket and the test team and talk of building a team for the next Ashes series. For me there needs to be more focus on identifying and sticking with players more suited to test match cricket, but for that to be a success we may need to accept getting worse before we eventually get better. It'll be interesting to see if anyone impresses in the last 2 rounds of the county championship games still to play. The selectors will be looking at adding a couple of players to the winter tour party. Dom Sibley must be in with a good chance, Sam Northeast may be another.
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Post by Pilch on Sept 15, 2019 22:16:13 GMT 1
I get annoyed by all those pundits who have been saying the true score in the ashes should have been 3-1 before this final test
that is rubbish
the weather cost England a win in the series
the only test in which the weather effected the result was when we just ran out of time to get the Aussies out having lost a day and a half of cricket
we won 2 games fair and square, how we won them is irrelevant , whether the opener carries his bat or the tail hangs on in, it doesn't matter
just one other thing that annoys me
archer was a hero in the World Cup and yet we didnt want to risk him in the first test in case of injury instead we risked the biggest risk in the history of cricket , 37 year old unfit, injury prone Anderson
whovever made that decision is an idiot
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Post by tvor on Sept 15, 2019 22:16:35 GMT 1
Overall a really good summer for England a fantastic first World Cup win and a creditable draw in The Ashes. Interesting times ahead with a new coach to be appointed, Giles wish to focus more on red ball cricket and the test team and talk of building a team for the next Ashes series. For me there needs to be more focus on identifying and sticking with players more suited to test match cricket, but for that to be a success we may need to accept getting worse before we eventually get better. It'll be interesting to see if anyone impresses in the last 2 rounds of the county championship games still to play. The selectors will be looking at adding a couple of players to the winter tour party. Dom Sibley must be in with a good chance, Sam Northeast may be another. I've heard some talk that the selectors aren't convinced by Sibley's unorthodox technique, which is a bit odd given they went for Burns, and would prefer to go with Crawley. Crawley's stats aren't anything like as good as Sibley's, they're actually quite ordinary, so I think Sibley would be hard done by if he is overlooked in favour of Crawley. That said occasionally a punt on a player with ordinary stats can work, it did with Trescothick and Vaughan at the start of their England careers. I agree about Northeast, I'm also a big fan of Sam Hain, but again the selectors preference appears to be Pope for the next middle order batter to come into the side.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2019 23:35:33 GMT 1
I get annoyed by all those pundits who have been saying the true score in the ashes should have been 3-1 before this final test that is rubbish the weather cost England a win in the series the only test in which the weather effected the result was when we just ran out of time to get the Aussies out having lost a day and a half of cricket we won 2 games fair and square, how we won them is irrelevant , whether the opener carries his bat or the tail hangs on in, it doesn't matter just one other thing that annoys me archer was a hero in the World Cup and yet we didnt want to risk him in the first test in case of injury instead we risked the biggest risk in the history of cricket , 37 year old unfit, injury prone Anderson whovever made that decision is an idiot Also in that second test the Aussies benefited from the new rule change regarding a substitute batsmen. Labuschagne came in for Smith and basically saved them.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Sept 16, 2019 8:51:24 GMT 1
Doesn’t make good reading for the batters, especially for Australia who would struggle to get 150 without Smith.
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Post by northwestman on Sept 16, 2019 9:25:24 GMT 1
Congratulations England. That was a good win to end the series 2-2. Sadly that's it for test cricket this summer, next stop New Zealand. First test match starts on the 20th November. No more Test Cricket, but County Championship still has 2 rounds to go, and T20 Finals Day is next Saturday.
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Post by northwestman on Sept 16, 2019 9:34:49 GMT 1
No idea why Paine didn't bat when winning the toss. Worst decision since Ponting's at Edgbaston in 2005.
Equally, no idea why they selected Siddle after including Marsh. Either Starc or Patterson would have been preferable.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 10:38:49 GMT 1
It'll be interesting to see if anyone impresses in the last 2 rounds of the county championship games still to play. The selectors will be looking at adding a couple of players to the winter tour party. Dom Sibley must be in with a good chance, Sam Northeast may be another. I've heard some talk that the selectors aren't convinced by Sibley's unorthodox technique, which is a bit odd given they went for Burns, and would prefer to go with Crawley. Crawley's stats aren't anything like as good as Sibley's, they're actually quite ordinary, so I think Sibley would be hard done by if he is overlooked in favour of Crawley. That said occasionally a punt on a player with ordinary stats can work, it did with Trescothick and Vaughan at the start of their England careers. I agree about Northeast, I'm also a big fan of Sam Hain, but again the selectors preference appears to be Pope for the next middle order batter to come into the side. For sheer weight of runs (as we stand) then those in the frame would be: Dom Sibley 1000 runs @ 55.56 Sam Northeast 930 @ 54.71 Gary Ballance 969 @ 51.00 Zak Crawley 801 @ 38.14 Sam Hain 730 @ 48.67 and all have been scored in division 1. I had a very quick look at the division 2 averages but they are very much dominated by overseas players. I think the ship has sailed for Gary Ballance but who knows?
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Post by shropshirelad42 on Sept 16, 2019 10:44:35 GMT 1
Enjoyed the Test series immensely even though I only managed to get to the one game at Old Trafford. Pity England didn't win, but I am in a way glad of the draw. Now my Aussie grandsons will at least not be able to wind up their mum, my 'thoroughly British' daughter who has lived in Aus for 27 years.
I may go down under for a couple of Tests during the next series but I would not hold my breath for a victory if it's this squad that goes. Unless of course a few of them improve rapidly !!
Now hoping for a miracle in the County Championship and that all results go for the Pears and that they can scrape into third position. Haven't worked out all the permutations but I still think it's possible !
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 10:50:46 GMT 1
Early start in the penultimate round of county championship games. I can imagine bowling first will be an advantage first thing.
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Post by tvor on Sept 16, 2019 10:57:53 GMT 1
Early names in the frame for the new England coach are Chris Silverwood and Alex Stewart. I wouldn't mind Jason Gillespie, but from his comments on The Debate the other evening I don't think he's interested. Silverwood would be a good choice, he had a good record at Essex and, being part of the existing setup, he would offer some continuity. He is favoured by Giles.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Sept 16, 2019 11:18:58 GMT 1
I hear that Hameed has been released by Lancs, when I first saw him play for them a couple of years ago I thought he'd be our Test opener for the next decade.
Hope he can revive his career elsewhere.
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Post by tvor on Sept 16, 2019 11:32:55 GMT 1
Warner seeks out Leach for some batting advice. Brigadier Block looks like he's about to chin that Aussie!
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Post by Pilch on Sept 16, 2019 13:05:35 GMT 1
I get annoyed by all those pundits who have been saying the true score in the ashes should have been 3-1 before this final test that is rubbish the weather cost England a win in the series the only test in which the weather effected the result was when we just ran out of time to get the Aussies out having lost a day and a half of cricket we won 2 games fair and square, how we won them is irrelevant , whether the opener carries his bat or the tail hangs on in, it doesn't matter just one other thing that annoys me archer was a hero in the World Cup and yet we didnt want to risk him in the first test in case of injury instead we risked the biggest risk in the history of cricket , 37 year old unfit, injury prone Anderson whovever made that decision is an idiot Also in that second test the Aussies benefited from the new rule change regarding a substitute batsmen. Labuschagne came in for Smith and basically saved them. And let’s not forget , the Aussies can’t wait for a new ball , they cry until the umpire swaps it for one that brings wickets
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Post by shrewblue on Sept 16, 2019 19:49:09 GMT 1
I hear that Hameed has been released by Lancs, when I first saw him play for them a couple of years ago I thought he'd be our Test opener for the next decade. Hope he can revive his career elsewhere. Agree totally every bit a test batsman but has lost his way. Hopefully a new county and coach can restore his confidence and develop his talent...perhaps the winter in OZ or NZ may be worth a try
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Post by tvor on Sept 16, 2019 21:11:10 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Sept 17, 2019 10:02:36 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 18:16:28 GMT 1
Yet look at the damage it has caused to Stokes and how unhappy he is about it Digusting 'journalism' by the usual suspects and shame on you for circulating it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 18:51:10 GMT 1
Timely 100 from Dom Sibley today. He must be in with a good chance of being part of the winter tours.
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Post by tvor on Sept 17, 2019 19:43:16 GMT 1
Timely 100 from Dom Sibley today. He must be in with a good chance of being part of the winter tours. Yes, a good unbeaten partnership of 143 with Sam Hain.
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Post by shrewblue on Sept 17, 2019 22:15:19 GMT 1
I would like to see Sibley and Hain go to South Africa this winter
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 12:47:17 GMT 1
Timely 100 from Dom Sibley today. He must be in with a good chance of being part of the winter tours. Still going at lunch, 156 no.
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Post by shropshirelad42 on Sept 18, 2019 15:15:15 GMT 1
So Worc were quickly put out of their misery by Glouc this morning. It's been a terrible season (apart from the T20 white ball stuff) and they could still finish with the wooden spoon.
Is it just me - and I know it's not having spoken to other members - seeing all those youngsters from three or four years ago, with 'so much' potential treading water since Steve Rhodes left. I am hoping Mr Gidman and the players prove us all wrong next season.
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Post by northwestman on Sept 18, 2019 16:11:59 GMT 1
So Worc were quickly put out of their misery by Glouc this morning. It's been a terrible season (apart from the T20 white ball stuff) and they could still finish with the wooden spoon. Is it just me - and I know it's not having spoken to other members - seeing all those youngsters from three or four years ago, with 'so much' potential treading water since Steve Rhodes left. I am hoping Mr Gidman and the players prove us all wrong next season. Fell is a good example. I'm as sympathetic to the health problems he's had as anyone. But those were in 2015/16, since which time he's had such a down turn in form that he's really not worth retaining. But Worcestershire have this crazy policy of awarding long term contracts to practically everyone, and then letting them run them down even though they no longer are really under consideration for the 1st team. Kervezee is one example, and Rhodes junior another until someone persuaded Leicestershire that he'd be worth taking on. Meanwhile, such talents as Ryan Higgins (ex Middlesex 2nd 11 with nearly 1,000 runs and 50 wickets for Gloucs this season) are missed thanks to the slavish adherence to home grown talent, which though an admirable objective in itself does need to be supplemented by recruiting elsewhere other than nearby public schools or Shropshire.
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Post by northwestman on Sept 18, 2019 17:14:38 GMT 1
Comment from a supporter on the Worcestershire Fans Forum. I couldn't agree more!
"I can absolutely understand key players like Mo and Barnard, for instance, being on longer deals, Ed in particular is a big player for us across all formats at present.
However, if you look at three of our batsman, Dell, Fell and Milton, they all have another two years left on deals.
Dell appears to have been given a longer deal on the strength of one 50 in twelve innings for the first team, although at 22 (next week) he could come again..
Fell, obviously the club has done the right thing in standing by him after his health issues, but I think he's had three seasons since, and a first class average under 30.
Milton, scored that 100 on debut, but eighteen months later, is now on a run of four ducks in a row.
I do understand that players gain confidence from knowing that they've got 2-3 years on a deal to develop, but based purely on stats, those three don't appear to be improving.
But all three have two more years on the staff.
We're one of the smaller counties financially, but seem to think nothing of handing out long deals. If we were the equivalent football team, we'd be making do with shorter deals, unless it was one of the star players in the squad. Yes we'd probably lose a couple to better deals elsewhere, but we'd not end up with five or six lads on the staff, treading water in the seconds".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 17:27:05 GMT 1
Timely 100 from Dom Sibley today. He must be in with a good chance of being part of the winter tours. Still going at lunch, 156 no. Ended up carry his bat, 215 no out of a total of 488. Batted for 531 minutes and faced 420 deliveries. Now that's the kind of opening batsman that England should seriously be considering.
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Post by northwestman on Sept 18, 2019 17:59:57 GMT 1
Blimey! Kyle Abbott of Hants has taken 17 wickets against Somerset.
9/40 and 8/46.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 18:16:59 GMT 1
Blimey! Kyle Abbott of Hants has taken 17 wickets against Somerset. 9/40 and 8/46. WOW some performance that. I think he's done more than a decent job for Hants in the last few seasons.
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Post by shropshirelad42 on Sept 19, 2019 10:16:07 GMT 1
So Worc were quickly put out of their misery by Glouc this morning. It's been a terrible season (apart from the T20 white ball stuff) and they could still finish with the wooden spoon. Is it just me - and I know it's not having spoken to other members - seeing all those youngsters from three or four years ago, with 'so much' potential treading water since Steve Rhodes left. I am hoping Mr Gidman and the players prove us all wrong next season. Fell is a good example. I'm as sympathetic to the health problems he's had as anyone. But those were in 2015/16, since which time he's had such a down turn in form that he's really not worth retaining. But Worcestershire have this crazy policy of awarding long term contracts to practically everyone, and then letting them run them down even though they no longer are really under consideration for the 1st team. Kervezee is one example, and Rhodes junior another until someone persuaded Leicestershire that he'd be worth taking on. Meanwhile, such talents as Ryan Higgins (ex Middlesex 2nd 11 with nearly 1,000 runs and 50 wickets for Gloucs this season) are missed thanks to the slavish adherence to home grown talent, which though an admirable objective in itself does need to be supplemented by recruiting elsewhere other than nearby public schools or Shropshire. I agree with quite a few things you say, but I think the difficulty in recruiting countrywide boils down to the fact that the 'so called big counties' can offer the young lads more money, ie better contracts. I too thought that when Tom Fell came on the scene he was going to be a fantastic player. And what about Olly Westbury ?? He hasn't had a look in this season but has had several good knocks for the Seconds. Also most of the senior players have had a terrible season and that doesn't help the youngsters who come in to a poorly performing first team. Probably the two better than average performers this season have been Morris & Wessells plus Barnard towards the end of the season. Here's looking for better times in 2020.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 12:33:25 GMT 1
Strong rumour that Joe Clarke wants to leave Notts and will trigger a release clause when Notts are relegated. He's certainly putting himself in the shop window Back to back hundreds in Notts current game vs Warwickshire.
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