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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 15:10:14 GMT 1
Other lessons could also be learned for future home Ashes series. This might sound like sour grapes here but it's not, we really shouldn't be doing the Australians favours by allowing their players to play as overseas players in county cricket in the first part of the season when they are here for The Ashes that summer. The reverse has never happened when we tour Australia with our players playing in the Sheffield Shield and it never will. The likes of Pattinson, Siddle and Labuschagne will certainly have benefitted from playing in English conditions in the early part of the summer. To have the cricket world cup and then an Ashes series in the same summer was also bad planning. As far as I'm aware some of the England team have played no county championship games this summer because they had been rested (as per central contracts) for the world cup. That's not ideal preparation for test cricket. Contrast that with the example of Labuschagne above. 18 innings for Glamorgan this summer, scoring over 1100 runs in the process.
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Post by tvor on Sept 9, 2019 16:58:26 GMT 1
That's a very fair question, but as in the recent past there aren't a lot of potential candidates to replace him. Stokes, as the current vice-captain, would be the obvious candidate but then there is the risk of impacting his performances with the extra burden and expectation of captaincy. All-rounders can struggle under such a burden as Botham did in the 1980s and more recently Flintoff with their individual performances suffering. Longer term Rory Burns might be a good candidate if he can establish himself, as he is on the way to doing so in this series, but it's much too soon yet. Burns has the advantage, like England captains of previous times, of actually being a county captain and therefore having to learn less on the job than people like Root and Cook before him. The real question is not over Root's ability as a captain, as his record is decent and stands up well against many England captains of the past and his players clearly fight for him, but whether freeing him of the captaincy would have a positive effect on his batting performances.
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Post by Minormorris64 on Sept 9, 2019 17:03:12 GMT 1
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Post by venceremos on Sept 9, 2019 17:33:31 GMT 1
I make no claims to expertise but my simple view is that Australia deserved their success because they're better than England.
Australia were far too dependent on Smith's runs but at least they had one very dependable batsman (and Labuschagne emerged as a second). You never knew where you were with England's batting, except that Roy would quickly be out and few were capable of converting the occasional good innings into a potential result-influencing one.
Similarly with the bowling; Australia's attack looked more potent and they could rotate top quality quick bowlers, while England depended too much on Broad and Archer being at their best.
As if that wasn't enough, there were too many inexplicably flat sessions from England in the field, when they seemed to have given up hope of breaking through and lost concentration.
No excuses, this was a poor effort by England because Australia are some way from being a great side. But for Stokes' brilliance at Headingley, England would already have lost the series, not just the chance to win back the Ashes.
I've no idea who there might be in county cricket to improve things but most of England's team don't appear to be of real Test standard. If we can, we need to replace half that team this winter.
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Post by tvor on Sept 9, 2019 17:48:57 GMT 1
As if that wasn't enough, there were too many inexplicably flat sessions from England in the field, when they seemed to have given up hope of breaking through and lost concentration. On the subject of England in the field. Unlike the ODI side, whose fielding and catching is generally excellent, the test team aren't as good in this department and particularly in catching. There was a stat shown during the last test match which showed England as the team with the second lowest percentage of catches caught in test cricket since the start of 2018. That really needs to improve.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2019 9:14:40 GMT 1
Arise Sir Geoffrey 😊
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Post by northwestman on Sept 10, 2019 9:19:44 GMT 1
I don't suppose Lester Piggott will ever get his OBE back.
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 10, 2019 9:34:48 GMT 1
I don't suppose Lester Piggott will ever get his OBE back. A 100/1 shot.
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 10, 2019 9:37:21 GMT 1
Test Match Special is going to be a joy listening to the pee being taken out of him.
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Sept 10, 2019 11:21:29 GMT 1
"Boycott 'doesn't give a toss' about knighthood criticism"
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2019 12:09:27 GMT 1
Loves her cricket old Mrs May 😊
Arise Sir Andrew Strauss as well.
What are the odds on Jimmy Anderson being the next knighted cricketer.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2019 16:20:54 GMT 1
"Boycott 'doesn't give a toss' about knighthood criticism"
With the mounting criticism he may not be a knight for too long.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Sept 10, 2019 17:56:25 GMT 1
"Boycott 'doesn't give a toss' about knighthood criticism"
With the mounting criticism he may not be a knight for too long. Astonishing he got through the vetting procedure - if there is one.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2019 20:40:03 GMT 1
With the mounting criticism he may not be a knight for too long. Astonishing he got through the vetting procedure - if there is one. Do they get two reviews for those knighthood decisions and if they look at Geoffrey’s again will they be looking at in the corridors of uncertainty.
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Post by tvor on Sept 11, 2019 13:42:07 GMT 1
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 11, 2019 14:47:25 GMT 1
Geoffrey probably should have just politely refused it. He would always know he was going to get it, but wouldn't have had the past raked up.
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Post by Minormorris64 on Sept 11, 2019 14:50:17 GMT 1
Worcester in 1st Innings lead shock
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Post by Minormorris64 on Sept 11, 2019 14:58:19 GMT 1
Worcester in 1st Innings lead shock And an opening partnership of 50
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Post by northwestman on Sept 11, 2019 16:22:23 GMT 1
Worcester 105/1. Excellent forecast for tomorrow. Kids are at school. I'm going!
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Post by Minormorris64 on Sept 11, 2019 16:29:33 GMT 1
Moment of Moeen madness !
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Post by northwestman on Sept 11, 2019 16:37:43 GMT 1
Moment of Moeen madness ! Yes. Over 2 days left and he does that. Exposes the inexperienced middle order too.
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Sept 11, 2019 16:55:30 GMT 1
Not too shabby this catch!
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 11, 2019 17:55:06 GMT 1
Not too shabby this catch! Pardon my ignorance, but who is the catcher? Did the first guy just knock it back in and the second got the catch?
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Sept 11, 2019 18:44:30 GMT 1
Not too shabby this catch! Pardon my ignorance, but who is the catcher? Did the first guy just knock it back in and the second got the catch? No idea who they are. The first guy jumped and caught it and as he was in the air he threw it behind him and the 2nd guy caught it.
slow motion at the end shows it better
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Post by northwestman on Sept 11, 2019 18:50:41 GMT 1
Worcestershire 153/2.
Having watched Glamorgan at Rhos on Sea, they don't seem strong enough to survive in Division 1. But they are one of half a dozen sides that could go up with Lancashire. And 3 go up this year!
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 11, 2019 19:53:55 GMT 1
Pardon my ignorance, but who is the catcher? Did the first guy just knock it back in and the second got the catch? No idea who they are. The first guy jumped and caught it and as he was in the air he threw it behind him and the 2nd guy caught it.
slow motion at the end shows it better
Sorry, what I meant was who gets the credit?
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Sept 11, 2019 20:29:23 GMT 1
No idea who they are. The first guy jumped and caught it and as he was in the air he threw it behind him and the 2nd guy caught it.
slow motion at the end shows it better
Sorry, what I meant was who gets the credit? Ah I see .... the 2nd guy
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Post by shropshirelad42 on Sept 12, 2019 10:56:19 GMT 1
Worcester 105/1. Excellent forecast for tomorrow. Kids are at school. I'm going! Went down yesterday. Could have done with a ton from Mo to allow the youngsters to have a bit more freedom regards their batting, without the pressure of having to just stay there. But alas he went into 'white ball mode' for a second, hence giving his wicket away.. Hopefully the Pears can win it from here though. Glamorgan are probably not strong enough to stay in Div1 if promoted, and it was a surprise to see Patel playing for them. I think Notts have loaned him for County Championship games only though !!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2019 11:00:31 GMT 1
Worcester 105/1. Excellent forecast for tomorrow. Kids are at school. I'm going! Went down yesterday. Could have done with a ton from Mo to allow the youngsters to have a bit more freedom regards their batting, without the pressure of having to just stay there. But alas he went into 'white ball mode' for a second, hence giving his wicket away.. Hopefully the Pears can win it from here though. Glamorgan are probably not strong enough to stay in Div1 if promoted, and it was a surprise to see Patel playing for them. I think Notts have loaned him for County Championship games only though !! Glamorgan will certainly be missing Marnus Labuschagne that's for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2019 12:55:50 GMT 1
Joe Root is leading a charmed life at the moment...dropped twice so far.
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