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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2019 17:43:13 GMT 1
Is Ben Stokes injured?
I've just noticed he's only bowled 10.5 overs.
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Post by tvor on Sept 5, 2019 17:55:20 GMT 1
Is Ben Stokes injured? I've just noticed he's only bowled 10.5 overs. He went off part way into his 11th over with a problem with his right shoulder but came back onto the field again shortly afterwards. This is a very good batting pitch, and it was a great toss to win, so why am I not confident that England can get the draw they should be able to get from this position. Fearing the worst for the outcome of the Ashes come the end of this test now.
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Post by tvor on Sept 5, 2019 17:57:40 GMT 1
What an incredible player Steve Smith is....IF only we had one of our own! From the BBC cricket: Steve Smith's last 12 innings against England: 143, 141*, 40, 6, 239, 76, 102*, 83, 144, 142, 92, 101*. Andrew Samson TMS statistician. " Since The Oval in 2015 in 12 innings Steve Smith has scored 1,419 runs at an average of 141.9. He has seven hundreds and three fifties with the only two failures in the day-night Test in Adelaide."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2019 19:03:38 GMT 1
Oh dear....not a good start to England's reply
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Post by tvor on Sept 5, 2019 20:38:56 GMT 1
Oh dear....not a good start to England's reply Denly didn't look very convincing this evening.
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Post by northwestman on Sept 5, 2019 22:48:19 GMT 1
Meanwhile, Notts thrash Middlesex by 10 wickets in the 2nd of the T20 QFs.
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Sept 5, 2019 23:43:24 GMT 1
Jofra Archer really does have one of the most contrived, overly-coached techniques I’ve ever seen. Please explain. His action looks robotic and like every minute aspect has been coached to remove any individuality.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 18:28:20 GMT 1
Joe Root again fails to convert a 50 into a big hundred. He's no Steve Smith that's for sure.
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Sept 6, 2019 18:56:33 GMT 1
72.3 overs - WICKET Roy b Hazlewood 22 (Eng 196-5) Hmmm. England are in big trouble. It's a really good ball from Josh Hazlewood but you still feel Jason Roy should do better. It nips back and bowls Roy through the gate as he tries to drive.
The camera picks out an England fan with his head in his hands. Yep. It's time for that.
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That's it for today bad light stops play. England 200-5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 21:07:09 GMT 1
Still 97 needed to avoid the follow on.
It was looking so good whilst Burns and Root were together....
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Post by northwestman on Sept 6, 2019 22:20:29 GMT 1
Good win by Worcs tonight v Sussex.
Moeen in top form after being dropped by Carey when only 5.
121 not out off 60 balls with 11 6s!
Hopefully, Guptill, Rutherford, Parnell and maybe D'Oliveira will be back for Finals Day.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 22:35:36 GMT 1
Good win by Worcs tonight v Sussex. Moeen in top form after being dropped by Carey when only 5. 121 not out off 60 balls with 11 6s! Hopefully, Guptill, Rutherford, Parnell and maybe D'Oliveira will be back for Finals Day. Indeed that was a more than comfortable win with 14 balls to spare. Good to see Moeen enjoying his cricket again.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2019 12:15:02 GMT 1
Still 97 needed to avoid the follow on. It was looking so good whilst Burns and Root were together.... Now struggling to avoid the follow on 😕
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Post by northwestman on Sept 7, 2019 12:30:02 GMT 1
297 is now the bare minimum.
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Post by northwestman on Sept 7, 2019 12:35:28 GMT 1
Dreadful shot by Archer.
Out for 1. Eight down.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2019 13:56:53 GMT 1
Dreadful shot by Archer. Out for 1. Eight down. Not the best shot from Bairstow either.
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Post by northwestman on Sept 7, 2019 17:09:45 GMT 1
Steve Smith 50 not out.
We are going to have to bat a whole day to save this game.
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Post by tvor on Sept 7, 2019 18:35:40 GMT 1
There goes The Ashes.
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Post by northwestman on Sept 7, 2019 18:56:33 GMT 1
yep..0/2 with the 2 batsmen most likely to bat for a long time gone.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2019 19:18:04 GMT 1
The difference between the two sides is Australia have two players with over 900 ratings on bat and ball.
There's talent in that England team but it's not enough against them 2 and if a couple of players have bad days then it quickly falls to pieces.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2019 14:08:08 GMT 1
The England rearguard action is not going too well...😕
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Post by northwestman on Sept 8, 2019 18:21:52 GMT 1
England all out 197. Australia retain the Ashes.
Tail tried their best but let down by the earlier batsmen.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Sept 8, 2019 18:27:16 GMT 1
I thought we were just lulling them into a sense of false security.
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Post by londonshrew75 on Sept 8, 2019 18:52:33 GMT 1
Australia had Smith and three world class quicks. We had a decent attack. We're more concerned about playing monkey tennis in our pyjamas than the proper version of the game. Well done Australia
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2019 21:15:33 GMT 1
Australia deserve it, hopefully we can see England bounce back at the Oval.
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Post by northwestman on Sept 9, 2019 8:40:27 GMT 1
Australia deserve it, hopefully we can see England bounce back at the Oval. Would you make any changes? Pope for Roy? Sibley or Crawley to open with Denly moving to 3 and Root to 4? Roy dropped. Foakes as w/k. Bairstow or Buttler dropped? Woakes or Curran for Overton? Moeen for Leach?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 9:19:34 GMT 1
Australia deserve it, hopefully we can see England bounce back at the Oval. Would you make any changes? Pope for Roy? Sibley or Crawley to open with Denly moving to 3 and Root to 4? Roy dropped. Foakes as w/k. Bairstow or Buttler dropped? Woakes or Curran for Overton? Moeen for Leach? Good question 😊 The selectors may leave well alone given that we could still tie the series. It would be a different story mind if the Oval test was a dead rubber. I would definitely bring either Sibley or Crawley into the squad, with the intention of moving Denly to 3 and Root to 4. I do think Sam Curran has been unfortunate not to figure in the series, he could well push Overton for a spot.
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Post by tvor on Sept 9, 2019 10:59:10 GMT 1
I think changes will be few, but Woakes should return in place Overton to reverse what was a very strange decision in the first instance. The selectors could probably consider Pope for Roy but I don't see any further changes to the existing squad. I don't like dropping players too early but I think the selectors would be well served by calling time on the experiment with Roy as a test player before the start of the next series.
That said, if Stokes can't bowl at The Oval, an extra bowler, e.g. Curran could be considered in place of a batter.
There will be changes after this series has finished, not least replacing Bayliss, and for me that is the team to sit back when everything has settled down and consider the way ahead in terms of players.
There was little between these sides in this series and it could gave easily gone the other way. England had Australia down at Birmingham but failed to press home a big enough first innings advantage. We could have won at Lords had the weather not prevented so much play. Australia were better at Leeds and Manchester, despite our win at Leeds.
The loss of Anderson was a major factor, a fully fit and firing Anderson would surely have had a major impact on the series. Similarly with Mark Wood whose pace would have been a real asset to have in the squad.
Smith was the major difference, the bloke is a freak and his performances have been amazing, but take out Labuschagne and the rest of the Australian batting has been poor. The Australian bowling has had more depth and consistency than ours but the performances of Broad and Archer stand up well against the Australian pace attack, Cummins aside. Lyon, apart from at Birmingham, hasn't really been a factor.
There are positives from the series for England, notably the emergence of Archer and the performance of Burns, but plenty of the same questions being asked before the series remain unanswered. An opening partner for Burns and a consistent middle order batter still need to be found.
Mooen's wicket taking ability was also sorely missed but hopefully he'll return in the winter. Leach doesn't offer anything like the same threat.
Other lessons could also be learned for future home Ashes series. This might sound like sour grapes here but it's not, we really shouldn't be doing the Australians favours by allowing their players to play as overseas players in county cricket in the first part of the season when they are here for The Ashes that summer. The reverse has never happened when we tour Australia with our players playing in the Sheffield Shield and it never will. The likes of Pattinson, Siddle and Labuschagne will certainly have benefitted from playing in English conditions in the early part of the summer.
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Post by tvor on Sept 9, 2019 12:41:32 GMT 1
England have named an unchanged 13 man squad for The Oval. Ben Stokes fitness to bowl will be assessed over the next couple of days.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 12:42:18 GMT 1
I think back to the 2005 series, we came into it with a settled team, a strong batting line up and a bowling unit, it's been the complete opposite this time round with a weak top order and then over-reliance on Broad & Archer (Anderson being injured obviously doesn't help). But it just felt a very disjointed squad this time round with, there will inevitably be lots of calls for huge changes and there are some questions:
Should Root be captain? Where should Root bat? Are Denley & Burns test openers? Are Butler, Roy & Bairstow one day players only? Who replaces Jimmy? Who is our front line spinner?
I suspect we won't see anything too radical in the short term but with a new coach coming in there will be some. And then there is of course a longer term question of the approach to test cricket as the focus has been on the one day stuff, the introduction of the 100 is not going to help matters either.
The positive from this is the defeat will pose questions and get the ECB to look at the cricket set up, rather than paper over the cracks. In recent years the top order has been pathetic, as well as our over overseas record but the home form generally has been excellent. However a defeat against the Aussies (at home) does tend to make a bit of noise.
The frustrating thing is the Aussies have shown plenty of vulnerability and we have had chances but not capitalised. To win the Ashes (and to get a player of Smith out) there have to be magic moments, the Archer drop of Smith in the first innings was a good example, a tough chance but the sort of thing that needs to stick, had that happened then the whole context of the game would have changed. But by mid afternoon, Smith was settled and you could sense where the game was going, I remember at tea on day 2 people were saying a draw was our best hope now.
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