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Post by Pilch on Nov 25, 2019 16:19:17 GMT 1
Amazed that nobody has bumped this bit of wizardry. I can live with an incident packed 3-4 loss if it makes no real difference to our season, which I suspect will be the case. But that requires hindsight and that'll have to wait a few months. So, an efficient 1-0 win it is, please! I wish now that I had stuck twenty quid on that scoreline - I would be about two grand better off now. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but I think a tenner a time on a one nil Town win in home matches would show a decent return. I tried to bet £25 at 1-3 down on Saturday just after we made the 2 subs sky bet had over 5.5 goals at 10/3 couldn't get the bet on for some reason annoying
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Post by venceremos on Nov 25, 2019 16:21:20 GMT 1
Didn't quite last as long or have as many players involved I think from memory - but at least it drew blood True enough. It seemed a bit grittier than handbags.
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Post by jamo on Dec 29, 2019 18:20:52 GMT 1
So. As a new year arrives, my opinion remains the same.
Today sums Sam Ricketts managerial qualities up perfectly. Dullness, coupled with extreme caution resulting in him being scared senseless in seizing the initiative when the flow and context of a game presents itself perfectly for attack. Yes, we shall be safe, yes we shall be ‘hard to beat’ but Jesus H Christ we are so, so boring.
The irony is, that our current squad contains enough talent, experience, enthusiasm and ability to be making a real go of the most open and winnable division in a decade and yet it is hamstrung by a management policy gripped by fear.
Play it again Sam. Somewhere else.
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Post by Pilch on Dec 29, 2019 18:23:09 GMT 1
So. As a new year arrives, my opinion remains the same. Today sums Sam Ricketts managerial qualities up perfectly. Dullness, coupled with extreme caution resulting in him being scared senseless in seizing the initiative when the flow and context of a game presents itself perfectly for attack. Yes, we shall be safe, yes we shall be ‘hard to beat’ but Jesus H Christ we are so, so boring. The irony is, that our current squad contains enough talent, experience, enthusiasm and ability to be making a real go of the most open and winnable division in a decade and yet it is hamstrung by a management policy gripped by fear. Play it again Sam. Somewhere else. we only had 24 shots today boring boring Shrewsbury
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Post by callum on Dec 29, 2019 18:50:34 GMT 1
So. As a new year arrives, my opinion remains the same. Today sums Sam Ricketts managerial qualities up perfectly. Dullness, coupled with extreme caution resulting in him being scared senseless in seizing the initiative when the flow and context of a game presents itself perfectly for attack. Yes, we shall be safe, yes we shall be ‘hard to beat’ but Jesus H Christ we are so, so boring. The irony is, that our current squad contains enough talent, experience, enthusiasm and ability to be making a real go of the most open and winnable division in a decade and yet it is hamstrung by a management policy gripped by fear. Play it again Sam. Somewhere else. The bloke is petrified of losing, bigs up every opposition before we play them so there is some justification if we lose. Any other team that plays against 10 men for over 30 minutes would go for it but no not Ricketts, let's play a draw out.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Dec 29, 2019 18:52:00 GMT 1
I posted this back in May; blueandamber.proboards.com/thread/99174/next-season-sharks-pool-timeStill think I was on the right track. Ricketts has been given all the tools he needs to succeed with a talented squad assembled at no little cost. We are seeing clubs with comparable resources excelling whilst some of the "big fish" fail to impress. Despite what the sycophants tell us about how we should be grateful for mid table mediocrity as we're "punching above our weight", we may well end up rueing a missed opportunity come May. Forget tactics, forget training. These have all been disappointing at times but above all Ricketts just hasn't got the tone at the top right. Overly cautious, always managing expectations. Compare and contrast with someone like Hurst or Turner (and, in my view, you could include Mellon and Peters more successful spells in this category) who gave us a genuine winning mentality. It feels like the fans have more belief than the manager these days, as evidenced by things like continuing with 5 defenders and 1 up front for most of a second half where our opponents were reduced to ten men.
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Post by callum on Dec 29, 2019 18:52:12 GMT 1
So. As a new year arrives, my opinion remains the same. Today sums Sam Ricketts managerial qualities up perfectly. Dullness, coupled with extreme caution resulting in him being scared senseless in seizing the initiative when the flow and context of a game presents itself perfectly for attack. Yes, we shall be safe, yes we shall be ‘hard to beat’ but Jesus H Christ we are so, so boring. The irony is, that our current squad contains enough talent, experience, enthusiasm and ability to be making a real go of the most open and winnable division in a decade and yet it is hamstrung by a management policy gripped by fear. Play it again Sam. Somewhere else. we only had 24 shots today boring boring Shrewsbury In fairness we were hardly peppering the goal, that game was there to be won with the right man on the touchline.
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Post by venceremos on Dec 29, 2019 18:55:07 GMT 1
The irony is, that our current squad contains enough talent, experience, enthusiasm and ability to be making a real go of the most open and winnable division in a decade and yet it is hamstrung by a management policy gripped by fear. Can't agree with that. Today was a mid-table result from a mid-table team. That's us - no better, no worse. Changing the manager would make no sense at all.
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Post by Pilch on Dec 29, 2019 18:57:14 GMT 1
we only had 24 shots today boring boring Shrewsbury In fairness we were hardly peppering the goal, that game was there to be won with the right man on the touchline. if 25 shots isn't peppering a goal ? what is ? 80 ?
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Post by frankwellshrews on Dec 29, 2019 19:01:22 GMT 1
In fairness we were hardly peppering the goal, that game was there to be won with the right man on the touchline. if 25 shots isn't peppering a goal ? what is ? 80 ? Stop me if I'm pointing out the obvious but you get no points for shots. Only a handful of the 20 odd were on target also. So we basically had the upper hand against a side which went down to ten men in the second half but didn't have the quality to put the game to bed. I take it back, give Sam the manager of the month medal for ****'s sake.
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Post by Pilch on Dec 29, 2019 19:04:34 GMT 1
if 25 shots isn't peppering a goal ? what is ? 80 ? Stop me if I'm pointing out the obvious but you get no points for shots. Only a handful of the 20 odd were on target also. So we basically had the upper hand against a side which went down to ten men in the second half but didn't have the quality to put the game to bed. I take it back, give Sam the manager of the month medal for ****'s sake. no lets sack him instead at half time I'd have taken a point people get carried away with a red card thinking its instantly 3 points and game over we did everything but score s**t happens at least its not just me that realises we need a quality striker
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Post by callum on Dec 29, 2019 19:05:48 GMT 1
In fairness we were hardly peppering the goal, that game was there to be won with the right man on the touchline. if 25 shots isn't peppering a goal ? what is ? 80 ? Apart from two saves late on i can't recall any more threatening shots. Surely you can't disagree that he should have released the shackles and made the changes earlier.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Dec 29, 2019 19:07:50 GMT 1
Stop me if I'm pointing out the obvious but you get no points for shots. Only a handful of the 20 odd were on target also. So we basically had the upper hand against a side which went down to ten men in the second half but didn't have the quality to put the game to bed. I take it back, give Sam the manager of the month medal for ****'s sake. no lets sack him instead at half time I'd have taken a point people get carried away with a red card thinking its instantly 3 points and game over we did everything but score s**t happens at least its not just me that realises we need a quality striker Find me the point where I've said "sack him" in my posts above. Just pointing out that a mid table finish will be a disappointment for this squad in this division. Come the end of the season Roland may need to reconsider his position unless we can inject some composure up front and some genuine ambition.
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Post by Pilch on Dec 29, 2019 19:10:20 GMT 1
no lets sack him instead at half time I'd have taken a point people get carried away with a red card thinking its instantly 3 points and game over we did everything but score s**t happens at least its not just me that realises we need a quality striker Find me the point where I've said "sack him" in my posts above. Just pointing out that a mid table finish will be a disappointment for this squad in this division. Come the end of the season Roland may need to reconsider his position unless we can inject some composure up front and some genuine ambition. oh sorry yeah, you suggested we give him manager of the month medal for ****s sake
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Post by RBA on Dec 29, 2019 19:17:03 GMT 1
today was disappointing but not disastrous and in my view calling for SR to go is ridiculous- at start of season I would have been happy with a mid table position after last season and I think we will be fine (may even push for a final play off place )yes he is a defensive manager but give him time that may well change lets see what the window brings
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Post by martinshrew on Dec 29, 2019 19:30:04 GMT 1
today was disappointing but not disastrous and in my view calling for SR to go is ridiculous- at start of season I would have been happy with a mid table position after last season and I think we will be fine (may even push for a final play off place )yes he is a defensive manager but give him time that may well change lets see what the window brings 98/100 people don't want Ricketts sacked, they just wanted him to do more than make an 83rd and 91st minute substitution against ten men to actually try and win the game. 1/100 wants him sacked. 1/100 has his tongue lodged firmly in Ricketts arse and it's becoming weird.
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Post by Pilch on Dec 29, 2019 19:52:54 GMT 1
today was disappointing but not disastrous and in my view calling for SR to go is ridiculous- at start of season I would have been happy with a mid table position after last season and I think we will be fine (may even push for a final play off place )yes he is a defensive manager but give him time that may well change lets see what the window brings 98/100 people don't want Ricketts sacked, they just wanted him to do more than make an 83rd and 91st minute substitution against ten men to actually try and win the game. 1/100 wants him sacked. 1/100 has his tongue lodged firmly in Ricketts arse and it's becoming weird. have you been doing family fortune surveys or what ? and your obsession with my tongue and ricketts bum is getting worrying keep your fantasies to yourself there's a good lad
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Post by martinshrew on Dec 29, 2019 19:55:01 GMT 1
98/100 people don't want Ricketts sacked, they just wanted him to do more than make an 83rd and 91st minute substitution against ten men to actually try and win the game. 1/100 wants him sacked. 1/100 has his tongue lodged firmly in Ricketts arse and it's becoming weird. have you been doing family fortune surveys or what ? and your obsession with my tongue and ricketts bum is getting worrying keep your fantasies to yourself there's a good lad Year 3 like attempt at humour, p**s poor. You're the only one who thinks Ricketts wasn't wrong in his subs and the timing so far on here. It's 2 points dropped, Ricketts didn't manage the game.
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Post by Pilch on Dec 29, 2019 19:59:40 GMT 1
have you been doing family fortune surveys or what ? and your obsession with my tongue and ricketts bum is getting worrying keep your fantasies to yourself there's a good lad Year 3 like attempt at humour, p**s poor. You're the only one who thinks Ricketts wasn't wrong in his subs and the timing so far on here. It's 2 points dropped, Ricketts didn't manage the game. sorry, its hard to type with my tongue in Sams bottom
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 20:28:13 GMT 1
The 25 shots doesn't really tell the whole story.
Most of those shots were from outside the area and blocked by defenders.
The only time we really troubled the Bolton 'keeper was near the end when he pulled off the double save.
The rest was huff and puff, and very little quality.
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Post by block18shrew on Dec 29, 2019 20:56:08 GMT 1
We miss Lang.
But not bringing Cummings and Fey on till the dying embers was criminal today.
Can’t see Fey and Cummings wanting to stay in Jan, the style we play just isn’t suited to their capabilities. Sad really as I think they both have 15-20 goals a season in their locker playing in the right system.
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Post by Pilch on Dec 29, 2019 21:03:24 GMT 1
The 25 shots doesn't really tell the whole story. Most of those shots were from outside the area and blocked by defenders. The only time we really troubled the Bolton 'keeper was near the end when he pulled off the double save. The rest was huff and puff, and very little quality. they tell the story perfectly our quality in finishing isn't up to league 1 standard fejiri for me had never looked up to it. ( all that stick I for daring to say that earlier in the year) Cummings , so hot and cold it seems something else might be the problem, although maybe he's been off colour Udoh , all or nothing lang, poor timed injury the shop, more like John Menzies than John Lewis lang back will be a bonus Cummings giving 100% is a must loanee def req
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Post by shrewsace on Dec 29, 2019 21:18:49 GMT 1
The 25 shots doesn't really tell the whole story. Most of those shots were from outside the area and blocked by defenders. The only time we really troubled the Bolton 'keeper was near the end when he pulled off the double save. The rest was huff and puff, and very little quality. they tell the story perfectly our quality in finishing isn't up to league 1 standard fejiri for me had never looked up to it. ( all that stick I for daring to say that earlier in the year) Cummings , so hot and cold it seems something else might be the problem, although maybe he's been off colour Udoh , all or nothing lang, poor timed injury the shop, more like John Menzies than John Lewis lang back will be a bonus Cummings giving 100% is a must loanee def req Which were our best chances, do you reckon?
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Post by venceremos on Dec 29, 2019 21:20:33 GMT 1
if 25 shots isn't peppering a goal ? what is ? 80 ? Stop me if I'm pointing out the obvious but you get no points for shots. Only a handful of the 20 odd were on target also. So we basically had the upper hand against a side which went down to ten men in the second half but didn't have the quality to put the game to bed. I take it back, give Sam the manager of the month medal for ****'s sake. Surely the equally obvious point is that players are responsible for how many of 25 shots are effective, not the manager? I don’t understand how some seem to think this is a high quality squad being shackled. It’s a competent and much improved and still improving squad but there’s been nothing I’ve seen to suggest anything more, regardless of formation or tactics.
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Post by Pilch on Dec 29, 2019 21:40:16 GMT 1
they tell the story perfectly our quality in finishing isn't up to league 1 standard fejiri for me had never looked up to it. ( all that stick I for daring to say that earlier in the year) Cummings , so hot and cold it seems something else might be the problem, although maybe he's been off colour Udoh , all or nothing lang, poor timed injury the shop, more like John Menzies than John Lewis lang back will be a bonus Cummings giving 100% is a must loanee def req Which were our best chances, do you reckon? today ? I couldn't go due to an illness but it sounded to me like their keeper did a great double save late on to keep them in it, maybe that was the best chance I did go to the Tranmere game and it sounded a bit like that one the only difference today was we conceded a goal this time last year ,we'd have lost this game 2-1, probably after leading we are much improved, I'd like to think we can shut up shop at Bristol next week and bring them back at least, but won't be too upset if its too much for us there today was a mixture of improved, still need improving, and reality
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Post by block18shrew on Dec 29, 2019 21:42:43 GMT 1
Which were our best chances, do you reckon? today ? I couldn't go due to an illness but it sounded to me like their keeper did a great double save late on to keep them in it, maybe that was the best chance I did go to the Tranmere game and it sounded a bit like that one the only difference today was we conceded a goal this time last year ,we'd have lost this game 2-1, probably after leading we are much improved, I'd like to think we can shut up shop at Bristol next week and bring them back at least, but won't be too upset if its too much for us there today was a mixture of improved, still need improving, and reality Did you see Bristol City’s goals today? Not saying it can’t be done but boy will we have our work cut out. They look handy.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Dec 29, 2019 22:33:39 GMT 1
If we’d have gone 3-3-4 all our attack and lost that game, would the likes of Jamo be on here saying ‘oh well credit for giving it a go’. Would he ****.
Ultimately when the choice is stick or twist, you’re going to be criticised whichever way you go if it doesn’t come off. I thought a goal was coming, it very nearly did, but ultimately two points dropped.
The last couple of weeks highlight the absolute worst of social media and this board. Win two and everyone’s on a high, lose one in the last minute and get an away point and the knives are out again.
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Dec 29, 2019 22:44:14 GMT 1
It's the usual knee jerk reaction brigade who think we are promotion material, and when we don't win (whoever we are playing) get a bit peeved and over analyse the game, reality is a difficult pill to swallow.
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Post by jamo on Dec 29, 2019 22:56:49 GMT 1
If we’d have gone 3-3-4 all our attack and lost that game, would the likes of Jamo be on here saying ‘oh well credit for giving it a go’. Would he ****. Ultimately when the choice is stick or twist, you’re going to be criticised whichever way you go if it doesn’t come off. I thought a goal was coming, it very nearly did, but ultimately two points dropped. The last couple of weeks highlight the absolute worst of social media and this board. Win two and everyone’s on a high, lose one in the last minute and get an away point and the knives are out again. With respect, my ‘knifes been out’ since March 9th.i e when I posted this originally, not the last two weeks, nor have they differed when we have had a decent result so your personal comments are nonsense. My views are based on the prospects of the long term success of this squad- who I believe are capable of decent success, but who are completely hamstrung by a management of fear. One of the great failings of the support of this club - exactly typified by the likes of you, is that they too readily buy into the culture of any form of criticism or debate being seen as disloyal and anti-STFC. You talk about the absolute worst of social media, well perhaps you are right, it’s a broad church. What’s in no doubt in my mind is that your comments highlight totally the absolute worst of some myopic, sycophantic Town fans. Dillusional.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Dec 29, 2019 23:09:31 GMT 1
If we’d have gone 3-3-4 all our attack and lost that game, would the likes of Jamo be on here saying ‘oh well credit for giving it a go’. Would he ****. Ultimately when the choice is stick or twist, you’re going to be criticised whichever way you go if it doesn’t come off. I thought a goal was coming, it very nearly did, but ultimately two points dropped. The last couple of weeks highlight the absolute worst of social media and this board. Win two and everyone’s on a high, lose one in the last minute and get an away point and the knives are out again. With respect, my ‘knifes been out’ since March 9th.i e when I posted this originally, not the last two weeks, nor have they differed when we have had a decent result so your personal comments are nonsense. My views are based on the prospects of the long term success of this squad- who I believe are capable of decent success, but who are completely hamstrung by a management of fear. One of the great failings of the support of this club - exactly typified by the likes of you, is that they too readily buy into the culture of any form of criticism or debate being seen as disloyal and anti-STFC. You talk about the absolute worst of social media, well perhaps you are right, it’s a broad church. What’s in no doubt in my mind is that your comments highlight totally the absolute worst of some myopic, sycophantic Town fans. Dillusional. My last comment was not aimed at you specifically but feel free to take offence And I’m far from a happy clapper or delusional, but thanks for coming to such a judgement based on one post. I thought that first half was garbage today, as have been other halves this season. I would’ve liked to see changes earlier in the second half but can understand why he didn’t. And when all is said and done it’s a slightly disappointing result but still only one game. I agree we have a good squad, put together by Ricketts of course. I also think he’s defensive and at times it has does us more harm than good. But you can’t point out the failings without considering we’ve had some bloody good results this season such as Sunderland, Peterborough and Blackpool. I believe in giving managers time unless there’re massively underachieving after being given a fair crack at it. At the moment I wouldn’t say I’m delusional but I’m content, I can see the improvements made to date and I believe he shouldn’t be under any pressure. He himself is an inexperienced manager and I’d like to see him continue to learn and improve himself, and improve us.
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