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Post by claphamshrew on Dec 30, 2019 0:31:42 GMT 1
Stop me if I'm pointing out the obvious but you get no points for shots. Only a handful of the 20 odd were on target also. So we basically had the upper hand against a side which went down to ten men in the second half but didn't have the quality to put the game to bed. I take it back, give Sam the manager of the month medal for ****'s sake. Surely the equally obvious point is that players are responsible for how many of 25 shots are effective, not the manager? No it’s joint. Of course the players are responsible for the physical action of shooting but the manager is equally responsible for ensuring the conversion rate is as high as it can be by ensuring the players are in situations which will most likely result in success through the use of the correct tactics, formations, training drills etc. I wasn’t at the game today but those who were are suggesting that as always qualitative factors need to be considered as well as quantitative factors. We don’t seem to create many clear cut goal scoring opportunities per game this season, certainly not in the games I’ve attended, and therein lies the problem. If we did and we still weren’t scoring then of course the responsibility would largely be shouldered by the players.
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Post by venceremos on Dec 30, 2019 1:49:49 GMT 1
Surely the equally obvious point is that players are responsible for how many of 25 shots are effective, not the manager? No it’s joint. Of course the players are responsible for the physical action of shooting but the manager is equally responsible for ensuring the conversion rate is as high as it can be by ensuring the players are in situations which will most likely result in success through the use of the correct tactics, formations, training drills etc. I wasn’t at the game today but those who were are suggesting that as always qualitative factors need to be considered as well as quantitative factors. We don’t seem to create many clear cut goal scoring opportunities per game this season, certainly not in the games I’ve attended, and therein lies the problem. If we did and we still weren’t scoring then of course the responsibility would largely be shouldered by the players. If a player shoots and misses, how is the manager responsible? How does a manager “ensure” conversion rates are high? He can’t. If a team has 25 shots, the tactics and formation were enough to put them in what should have been a winning position. The fact that the conversion rate was so poor is the responsibility of the players who failed to hit the target, pure and simple. I wasn’t there either but 25 shots shows a dominance that should have brought another goal or more. Like others, I question the lateness of substitutions but the manager can’t be held responsible for every aspect.
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Post by Pilch on Dec 30, 2019 3:04:07 GMT 1
So. As a new year arrives, my opinion remains the same. Today sums Sam Ricketts managerial qualities up perfectly. Dullness, coupled with extreme caution resulting in him being scared senseless in seizing the initiative when the flow and context of a game presents itself perfectly for attack. Yes, we shall be safe, yes we shall be ‘hard to beat’ but Jesus H Christ we are so, so boring. The irony is, that our current squad contains enough talent, experience, enthusiasm and ability to be making a real go of the most open and winnable division in a decade and yet it is hamstrung by a management policy gripped by fear. Play it again Sam. Somewhere else. I kind of get the feeling that yourself and others who were quite wrong originally and were unwilling to give yet another town manager a fair chance, not even a pre-season and yet, have you really had to wait until dec 29th to take the opportunity to bump this up after seeing a lot of frustration at having lost in the 97th minute at home followed by not being able to finish bolton off, was this a case of you thinking it was the perfect moment to gain some support ? makes we wonder if the trigger finger has had this thread ready earlier in the season waiting for a unfavourable result one thing remains the same, you still are not willing to give the manager a fair chance but dont give up hope as with all nearly all football managers they end up having to leave, usually sacked come on town !
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Post by claphamshrew on Dec 30, 2019 10:40:12 GMT 1
No it’s joint. Of course the players are responsible for the physical action of shooting but the manager is equally responsible for ensuring the conversion rate is as high as it can be by ensuring the players are in situations which will most likely result in success through the use of the correct tactics, formations, training drills etc. I wasn’t at the game today but those who were are suggesting that as always qualitative factors need to be considered as well as quantitative factors. We don’t seem to create many clear cut goal scoring opportunities per game this season, certainly not in the games I’ve attended, and therein lies the problem. If we did and we still weren’t scoring then of course the responsibility would largely be shouldered by the players. If a player shoots and misses, how is the manager responsible? How does a manager “ensure” conversion rates are high? He can’t. If a team has 25 shots, the tactics and formation were enough to put them in what should have been a winning position. The fact that the conversion rate was so poor is the responsibility of the players who failed to hit the target, pure and simple. I wasn’t there either but 25 shots shows a dominance that should have brought another goal or more. Like others, I question the lateness of substitutions but the manager can’t be held responsible for every aspect. I think we’ll have to agree to disagree. Multiple people at the game have stated that many of the shots were speculative at best, from distance, and blocked. Of course the players are responsible for this but why were they not creating clear cut chances with a better chance of success?, that’s partly their fault but partly a coaching issue. It’s no coincidence that many of our games come down to fine margins this season as defensively we are resolute and make very few mistakes (a positive and one for which both the players and management are responsible), but offensively we create very few gilt edged chances so must take those that we do (a negative for which the players and management are responsible). Of course I agree that generally you’d expect a better goal return from 25 shots but the fact that only one or two were actually decent chances goes some way to explaining this.
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Post by venceremos on Dec 30, 2019 11:36:58 GMT 1
If a player shoots and misses, how is the manager responsible? How does a manager “ensure” conversion rates are high? He can’t. If a team has 25 shots, the tactics and formation were enough to put them in what should have been a winning position. The fact that the conversion rate was so poor is the responsibility of the players who failed to hit the target, pure and simple. I wasn’t there either but 25 shots shows a dominance that should have brought another goal or more. Like others, I question the lateness of substitutions but the manager can’t be held responsible for every aspect. I think we’ll have to agree to disagree. Multiple people at the game have stated that many of the shots were speculative at best, from distance, and blocked. Of course the players are responsible for this but why were they not creating clear cut chances with a better chance of success?, that’s partly their fault but partly a coaching issue. It’s no coincidence that many of our games come down to fine margins this season as defensively we are resolute and make very few mistakes (a positive and one for which both the players and management are responsible), but offensively we create very few gilt edged chances so must take those that we do (a negative for which the players and management are responsible). Of course I agree that generally you’d expect a better goal return from 25 shots but the fact that only one or two were actually decent chances goes some way to explaining this. It’s not a choice between shooting or creating a clearer chance but I would agree it sounds like the players’ decision making might have been better. Better players make better decisions. I guess my fundamental point is that I think a lot of fans overestimate our squad’s ability. It’s a decent squad and slowly getting better but I don’t think it’s a really good squad being held back by a negative manager, as some seem to. Everything I’ve seen so far suggests to me we’re achieving in line with our ability. Not exciting but satisfactory.
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Post by Pilch on Dec 30, 2019 13:41:00 GMT 1
we also need a manager who can prevent their keeper making vital saves
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2019 8:33:58 GMT 1
So. As a new year arrives, my opinion remains the same. Today sums Sam Ricketts managerial qualities up perfectly. Dullness, coupled with extreme caution resulting in him being scared senseless in seizing the initiative when the flow and context of a game presents itself perfectly for attack. Yes, we shall be safe, yes we shall be ‘hard to beat’ but Jesus H Christ we are so, so boring. The irony is, that our current squad contains enough talent, experience, enthusiasm and ability to be making a real go of the most open and winnable division in a decade and yet it is hamstrung by a management policy gripped by fear. Play it again Sam. Somewhere else. Next season will be the one where I think most people will really start to judge him. Tangible progress is whate most folk will be looking for. If it's more of the same I don't think he will get an easy ride from the majority.
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Dec 31, 2019 8:55:28 GMT 1
Good reply.The defence is sorted, midfield needs some creativity in it, forwards would be great if the midfield created. Baby steps, little by little, and don't overspend. It's the Shrewsbury way
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Post by martinshrew on Dec 31, 2019 10:49:20 GMT 1
Anything from 10th-14th, well clear of relegation is progress. Top half is great and flirting with the playoffs is an excellent season.
For me we need creativity in midfield, Norburn is excellent at running the game, Laurent adds the energy, I just feel we need a creative spark. Fejeri, Udoh & Cummings have all proven they can finish more often than not when given decent chances.
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Post by al36shrew on Jan 11, 2020 19:01:12 GMT 1
Needs to go now ! We are going backwards FAST
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 11, 2020 19:25:38 GMT 1
Needs to go now ! We are going backwards FAST And the alternative is
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Post by ssshrew on Jan 11, 2020 19:29:15 GMT 1
Well there’s plenty of candidates on here for a start!!
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Post by salop27 on Jan 11, 2020 20:52:33 GMT 1
Ricketts has not got a clue. We play five at the back yet can't defend still. Going forward is poor. Lang today looked great today. We could play 442 with Lang and Cummings upfront and Whalley and Giles wide but it's never going to happen.
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Post by CopthorneShrew on Jan 11, 2020 20:58:58 GMT 1
Posters like Jamo & myself are being proved right. It was obvious months and months ago this clown is not the manager for us.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 21:21:24 GMT 1
Posters like Jamo & myself are being proved right. It was obvious months and months ago this clown is not the manager for us. Out of interest, who would be the manager for us?
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Post by theNOTORIOUSfbs on Jan 11, 2020 21:37:09 GMT 1
Posters like Jamo & myself are being proved right. It was obvious months and months ago this clown is not the manager for us. Out of interest, who would be the manager for us?Bryan Hughes or Dean Keates.
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Post by shifnalshrew on Jan 11, 2020 22:53:27 GMT 1
Needs to go now ! We are going backwards FAST And the alternative is Enjoyment and some football in the final third perhaps. Ricketts is a dead man walking, awful appointment and we are going nowhere with him
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 23:06:44 GMT 1
Out of interest, who would be the manager for us? Bryan Hughes or Dean Keates. Serious contenders please and by the way the question was for us Shrewsbury Town fans 😉
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Post by Pilch on Jan 11, 2020 23:14:51 GMT 1
And the alternative is Enjoyment and some football in the final third perhaps. Ricketts is a dead man walking, awful appointment and we are going nowhere with him I think going nowhere was the aim this season what were you hoping for ? Disneyland ?
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Post by al36shrew on Jan 11, 2020 23:25:06 GMT 1
ENTERTAINMENT? ?
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Post by shifnalshrew on Jan 11, 2020 23:28:51 GMT 1
Enjoyment and some football in the final third perhaps. Ricketts is a dead man walking, awful appointment and we are going nowhere with him I think going nowhere was the aim this season what were you hoping for ? Disneyland ? I thought you would be along soon, you really are a total ****ing prat who is ruining what used to be a message board worth reading. A percentage of fans are not willing to waste any more time/ money on dreadful non football, that percentage will grow until Ricketts is gone, the sooner the better for me (and many others). Feel free to ban me from the message board.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 11, 2020 23:30:46 GMT 1
ENTERTAINMENT? ? go to the cinema instead
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Post by venceremos on Jan 12, 2020 0:01:56 GMT 1
Posters like Jamo & myself are being proved right. It was obvious months and months ago this clown is not the manager for us. You’re too modest.
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Post by venceremos on Jan 12, 2020 0:06:22 GMT 1
I think going nowhere was the aim this season what were you hoping for ? Disneyland ? I thought you would be along soon, you really are a total ****ing prat who is ruining what used to be a message board worth reading. A percentage of fans are not willing to waste any more time/ money on dreadful non football, that percentage will grow until Ricketts is gone, the sooner the better for me (and many others). Feel free to ban me from the message board. One thing that ruins a message board is people repeatedly making the same stupid joke from someone’s name. You’re what, 7, 8? Argue your point intelligently if you want to be taken seriously or stay in the playground. Or make better jokes.
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Post by al36shrew on Jan 12, 2020 0:08:01 GMT 1
ENTERTAINMENT? ? go to the cinema instead So what should I expect for my £20 match ticket?
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Post by Pilch on Jan 12, 2020 0:26:46 GMT 1
So what should I expect for my £20 match ticket? 90 minutes of football, at a far lower standard than the average game you watch on tv next time a league 1 or 2 game is live on tv, if poss try watching it without the commentary, just the atmosphere audio, see how long you stick if for like scooter said to me earlier, he's been travelling around the country on Tuesdays for over 40 years watching the town, an can probably count using just his fingers the decent games amongst them
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Post by Valerioch on Jan 12, 2020 11:00:23 GMT 1
We’re 11 points off relegation, 5 off the playoffs
This is exactly the position most said they were after this season ie mid table
Ricketts is going nowhere so the toxic views being spread by some is not helping anyone
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Post by blamber on Jan 12, 2020 11:31:04 GMT 1
I thought we were very entertaining during our successful 17-18 season. Whilst we didn't score hatfuls of goals, nor had the most gifted of players, we managed to play very attractive football in the main. To suggest that league 1 and 2 games or teams in those divisions are rarely entertaining is simply wrong and is only suggested by some to suit their own arguments.
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Post by londonshrew75 on Jan 12, 2020 12:18:05 GMT 1
There is a theory that fans have that as long as there is progress each year then that's fine. It's dated and doesn't stand up anymore. With the player movement as it is now each year every year can be completely different. As I have mentioned several times on here, this season "is an unusual one". We effectively have only one place for relegation with half the season left ! On this basis we don't need to carry on with this "over my dead body" attitude. However Tuesday night against (let's be honest better players) it's understandable to have these tactics, but he should be playing a more attacking formation against most teams in our league at home. This is the year to take risks to get a top 6 place. Next season it will be four teams down from the off and if we carry on with this rigid formation the chances are we'll be one of them....
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Post by Pilch on Jan 12, 2020 12:30:21 GMT 1
I thought we were very entertaining during our successful 17-18 season. Whilst we didn't score hatfuls of goals, nor had the most under hurst we were 18th best in the league for shots on target per game we are currently 2 places worse off in comparison our shots against stats are actually better I find it amazing that the longer we go, the more people think we were actually the brazilian 1970 squad 2 season ago ;-)
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