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Post by claphamshrew on Jan 12, 2020 13:04:18 GMT 1
I thought we were very entertaining during our successful 17-18 season. Whilst we didn't score hatfuls of goals, nor had the most under hurst we were 18th best in the league for shots on target per game we are currently 2 places worse off in comparison our shots against stats are actually better I find it amazing that the longer we go, the more people think we were actually the brazilian 1970 squad 2 season ago ;-) The thing that I found most enjoyable about that season was the efficiency of the team and the way the system perfectly suited the players we had, rather than anything to do with free flowing attacking football. We also scored an average of 1.3 goals per game whereas this season it is currently 0.9, a difference of 9 goals at this stage of the season. The problem with total shots and shots on target stats is they don’t give you any insight into the quality of the chance. In the Hurst season we didn’t have many total shots but we did generally make a couple of clear cut chances per game and I always felt we had a chance of scoring. This season many of the shots are speculative at best which is demonstrated in the lower conversion rate. Because of this Opta do a stat in the Premier League called expected goals which factors that in. It would be interesting if they also did it in the lower leagues.
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Post by Valerioch on Jan 12, 2020 13:31:43 GMT 1
under hurst we were 18th best in the league for shots on target per game we are currently 2 places worse off in comparison our shots against stats are actually better I find it amazing that the longer we go, the more people think we were actually the brazilian 1970 squad 2 season ago ;-) The thing that I found most enjoyable about that season was the efficiency of the team and the way the system perfectly suited the players we had, rather than anything to do with free flowing attacking football. We also scored an average of 1.3 goals per game whereas this season it is currently 0.9, a difference of 9 goals at this stage of the season. The problem with total shots and shots on target stats is they don’t give you any insight into the quality of the chance. In the Hurst season we didn’t have many total shots but we did generally make a couple of clear cut chances per game and I always felt we had a chance of scoring. This season many of the shots are speculative at best which is demonstrated in the lower conversion rate. Because of this Opta do a stat in the Premier League called expected goals which factors that in. It would be interesting if they also did it in the lower leagues. Yes but that works both ways Some of our resident social media warriors put great emphasis on our lack of shots on target. People can’t make a big deal of this stat when it suits their agenda, then play it down when it doesn’t
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Post by claphamshrew on Jan 12, 2020 13:41:21 GMT 1
The thing that I found most enjoyable about that season was the efficiency of the team and the way the system perfectly suited the players we had, rather than anything to do with free flowing attacking football. We also scored an average of 1.3 goals per game whereas this season it is currently 0.9, a difference of 9 goals at this stage of the season. The problem with total shots and shots on target stats is they don’t give you any insight into the quality of the chance. In the Hurst season we didn’t have many total shots but we did generally make a couple of clear cut chances per game and I always felt we had a chance of scoring. This season many of the shots are speculative at best which is demonstrated in the lower conversion rate. Because of this Opta do a stat in the Premier League called expected goals which factors that in. It would be interesting if they also did it in the lower leagues. Yes but that works both ways Some of our resident social media warriors put great emphasis on our lack of shots on target. People can’t make a big deal of this stat when it suits their agenda, then play it down when it doesn’t Clearly the low number of shots on target is part of the issue but the point I’m making is that the quality of the shots is a large part of this too. Given our conversion rate is much lower this season than in the Hurst season we need more shots to make up for it.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 12, 2020 13:41:43 GMT 1
Because of this Opta do a stat in the Premier League called expected goals which factors that in. It would be interesting if they also did it in the lower leagues. Expected goals is irrelevant here's one for you Bristol City should score more than us on tuesday are you still going hoping to see us win ? yes me too
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Post by claphamshrew on Jan 12, 2020 14:40:53 GMT 1
Because of this Opta do a stat in the Premier League called expected goals which factors that in. It would be interesting if they also did it in the lower leagues. Expected goals is irrelevant here's one for you Bristol City should score more than us on tuesday are you still going hoping to see us win ? yes me too Of course but that has no relevance to the point you were making about us having a similar amount of shots on target as the Hurst season. Why do you think we are converting less? Is it because the quality of the chances isn’t as great, the players aren’t as good, or the opposition defences are better this season? Or a combination of all of these? For me I think the principle reason is because our offensive coaching and tactics aren’t as good so the players aren’t finding themselves in as many good situations. As I’ve said before the management and players need to share responsibility for this but I firmly believe this is where the problem lies.
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Post by blamber on Jan 12, 2020 15:49:44 GMT 1
I thought we were very entertaining during our successful 17-18 season. Whilst we didn't score hatfuls of goals, nor had the most under hurst we were 18th best in the league for shots on target per game we are currently 2 places worse off in comparison our shots against stats are actually better I find it amazing that the longer we go, the more people think we were actually the brazilian 1970 squad 2 season ago ;-) No one was suggesting we were up there with the Brazilian team of 1970 (they were outstanding, of course). And stats don't necessarily correlate with the quality of entertainment. The opinion given was about entertainment. Not stats nor comparisons with Brazilian teams (I've looked again but, no, I can't find any mention of Brazil in my post at all). Disagree with it if you wish but my opinion remains that our team was enjoyable to watch and easy on the eye during that season. And possibly on a par with our team of the 79/80 which I was also fortunate enough to witness. Some people simply need to acknowledge our achievements rather than pass them off as not being as good as we thought they were owing to some irrelevant set of stats or misrepresentation of what was posted.
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Post by venceremos on Jan 12, 2020 19:03:30 GMT 1
under hurst we were 18th best in the league for shots on target per game we are currently 2 places worse off in comparison our shots against stats are actually better I find it amazing that the longer we go, the more people think we were actually the brazilian 1970 squad 2 season ago ;-) No one was suggesting we were up there with the Brazilian team of 1970 (they were outstanding, of course). And stats don't necessarily correlate with the quality of entertainment. The opinion given was about entertainment. Not stats nor comparisons with Brazilian teams (I've looked again but, no, I can't find any mention of Brazil in my post at all). Disagree with it if you wish but my opinion remains that our team was enjoyable to watch and easy on the eye during that season. And possibly on a par with our team of the 79/80 which I was also fortunate enough to witness. Some people simply need to acknowledge our achievements rather than pass them off as not being as good as we thought they were owing to some irrelevant set of stats or misrepresentation of what was posted. It was hugely enjoyable but, being as objective as I can, I think that had more to do with the results than our football being of such a high quality. We rarely outplayed anyone. It was more a question of being slightly better on the day than most of the teams we played. The point about efficiency was well made; it was a highly efficient team that made the most of its limited resources and that efficiency is why it was so much better than our present team. I doubt many neutral observers would have singled it out for praise beyond that, however.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Jan 12, 2020 19:06:47 GMT 1
under hurst we were 18th best in the league for shots on target per game we are currently 2 places worse off in comparison our shots against stats are actually better I find it amazing that the longer we go, the more people think we were actually the brazilian 1970 squad 2 season ago ;-) The thing that I found most enjoyable about that season was the efficiency of the team and the way the system perfectly suited the players we had, rather than anything to do with free flowing attacking football. We also scored an average of 1.3 goals per game whereas this season it is currently 0.9, a difference of 9 goals at this stage of the season. The problem with total shots and shots on target stats is they don’t give you any insight into the quality of the chance. In the Hurst season we didn’t have many total shots but we did generally make a couple of clear cut chances per game and I always felt we had a chance of scoring. This season many of the shots are speculative at best which is demonstrated in the lower conversion rate. Because of this Opta do a stat in the Premier League called expected goals which factors that in. It would be interesting if they also did it in the lower leagues. They do expected goals in the lower leagues too
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Post by tvor on Jan 13, 2020 16:24:41 GMT 1
The thing that I found most enjoyable about that season was the efficiency of the team and the way the system perfectly suited the players we had, rather than anything to do with free flowing attacking football. We also scored an average of 1.3 goals per game whereas this season it is currently 0.9, a difference of 9 goals at this stage of the season. The problem with total shots and shots on target stats is they don’t give you any insight into the quality of the chance. In the Hurst season we didn’t have many total shots but we did generally make a couple of clear cut chances per game and I always felt we had a chance of scoring. This season many of the shots are speculative at best which is demonstrated in the lower conversion rate. Because of this Opta do a stat in the Premier League called expected goals which factors that in. It would be interesting if they also did it in the lower leagues. They do expected goals in the lower leagues too experimental361.com/2020/01/12/expected-goals-table-league-1-11-jan-2020/
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Post by Pilch on Jan 14, 2020 23:00:44 GMT 1
hello
anyone there ?
how about now ?
;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 23:02:34 GMT 1
hello anyone there ? how about now ? ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) I’m here ... !
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Post by shrewsace on Jan 14, 2020 23:03:47 GMT 1
Ricketts can stay on to take charge of the cup games.
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Post by claphamshrew on Jan 15, 2020 1:13:33 GMT 1
I could be wrong but I don’t think that guy has done it the same way as Opta do as he wouldn’t be able to gather the same extensive data as them. Not sure how he’s worked it out.
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Post by tvor on Jan 15, 2020 1:15:08 GMT 1
I could be wrong but I don’t think that guy has done it the same way as Opta do as he wouldn’t be able to gather the same extensive data as them. Not sure how he’s worked it out. There is a link on the article which explains how it was worked out, but I can't say if it's the same as Opta or different.
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Post by claphamshrew on Jan 15, 2020 1:16:14 GMT 1
hello anyone there ? how about now ? ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) Given our average goals scored per game in the league is 0.9 I’m not surprised we got 1 tonight seeing as it’s the closest possible number to the average ;-)
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Post by Pilch on Jan 15, 2020 4:40:40 GMT 1
hello anyone there ? how about now ? ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) Given our average goals scored per game in the league is 0.9 I’m not surprised we got 1 tonight seeing as it’s the closest possible number to the average ;-) It was the cup though ricketts has produced some top quality results in the space of 12 months in the fa cup its not ricketts that's boring, its just other league 1 clubs ;-) CH stoke 1-1 CH stoke 3-2 PR wolves 2-2 PR wolves 2-3 L2 Bradford 1-0 L2 Mansfield 2-0 CH bristol 1-1 CH bristol 1-0
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Post by Pilch on Jan 26, 2020 20:48:38 GMT 1
Is now a good time to bring this up ? ;/)
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Post by tvor on Jan 26, 2020 20:50:47 GMT 1
Only if you're trying to provoke an argument when everyone is happily discussing a magnificent performance and result.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 26, 2020 20:57:06 GMT 1
Is now a good time to bring this up ? ;/) I suggest you check this with BC and Roland, as of today he has the job for however long he wants.
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Post by 18stfc86 on Jan 26, 2020 21:03:45 GMT 1
Knew who started this before even looking. Pilch comes across as a very confrontational individual. No need really, is there?
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Post by Red Rose In Exile on Jan 26, 2020 21:44:25 GMT 1
Pilch. The clue is in the title of the thread. NOT NOW. Why to do constantly try to suck the life blood out of every thread?
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Post by Pilch on Jan 26, 2020 22:16:11 GMT 1
Only if you're trying to provoke an argument when everyone is happily discussing a magnificent performance and result. provoke an argument ? really ? there is no argument to be had there never was
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Post by Pilch on Jan 26, 2020 22:17:28 GMT 1
Pilch. The clue is in the title of the thread. NOT NOW. Why to do constantly try to suck the life blood out of every thread? the clue is the thread is about ricketts not me ;-)
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Post by Pilch on Jan 26, 2020 22:17:43 GMT 1
Only if you're trying to provoke an argument when everyone is happily discussing a magnificent performance and result. Wouldnt think that Pilch would do that - would he oh you again bye
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Post by Pilch on Jan 26, 2020 22:18:30 GMT 1
Knew who started this before even looking. Pilch comes across as a very confrontational individual. No need really, is there? another disappointed ricketts out fan Again, wasted my time and money along with another 265 poor sods to not even witness one shot on target. Getting ****ed off with this garbage now. Zero entertainment. As some of you know, I've never been a fan of Ricketts, but tonight was the first time I've started to see the fans turn on him. Especially once the second went in! Please, please Roland, act now or you'll lose fans having to watch these negative tactics week in week out.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 26, 2020 22:19:08 GMT 1
Is now a good time to bring this up ? ;/) I suggest you check this with BC and Roland, as of today he has the job for however long he wants. a decent post at last
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 26, 2020 22:21:25 GMT 1
Just to look sideways at today, with Ratcliffe, we had the great Everton victory and then slipped down the table to relegation. Never take anything for granted.
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Post by blazey on Feb 1, 2020 22:27:30 GMT 1
Just back. Today was the final straw, Tory boy can pick out an odd good cup result but a 30% win percentage after nearly fifteen months is an embarrassment. We have enough serial mediocrity camping out in 10 Downing Street without it being in SY2 as well....
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Post by Mortgagehound on Feb 2, 2020 9:06:13 GMT 1
Just back. Today was the final straw, Tory boy can pick out an odd good cup result but a 30% win percentage after nearly fifteen months is an embarrassment. We have enough serial mediocrity camping out in 10 Downing Street without it being in SY2 as well.... You didn’t enjoy our performance? Win percentage aside, today was an excellent performance and I wished we had seen more of this attacking style earlier in the season Yes we lost but we both know we were mugged by Dale
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 2, 2020 9:12:34 GMT 1
Just back. Today was the final straw, Tory boy can pick out an odd good cup result but a 30% win percentage after nearly fifteen months is an embarrassment. We have enough serial mediocrity camping out in 10 Downing Street without it being in SY2 as well.... You didn’t enjoy our performance? Win percentage aside, today was an excellent performance and I wished we had seen more of this attacking style earlier in the season Yes we lost but we both know we were mugged by Dale Some good, some bad. We still have no idea what we are doing in and around the box, the delivery is woeful at times. But I was pleased with the lineup and I hope we go with it again. I dunno, perhaps it'll be one of those things that once we get one or two we'll start banging them in for fun...'funny old game' and all that. We got to start scoring. Simple as that really. That's been the problem from the off and 40 games into the season hasn't yet been rectified.
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