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Post by darkshrew on Jun 16, 2021 15:07:59 GMT 1
Instead of trying to deflect by kind of abuse, so which is it? Oblivious or condoning? My money is on the latter which is shameful. If you insist of peddling your puerile views on this forum, expect to be criticised. pot, kettle ?
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 16, 2021 15:39:13 GMT 1
Instead of trying to deflect by kind of abuse, so which is it? Oblivious or condoning? My money is on the latter which is shameful. If you insist of peddling your puerile views on this forum, expect to be criticised. I had this strange idea that the whole point of this forum was to air your views, puerile or not, without being abused. Would you like to put yourself forward as the moderator of all posts you deem puerile?
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Post by servernaside on Jun 16, 2021 16:19:44 GMT 1
If you insist of peddling your puerile views on this forum, expect to be criticised. I had this strange idea that the whole point of this forum was to air your views, puerile or not, without being abused. Would you like to put yourself forward as the moderator of all posts you deem puerile? You are quite right, everyone can express their views on this forum, but that does not mean that those views cannot then be criticised. The calling out of something as puerile, merely expresses my opinion of what has been said. It seems that some posters are happy to criticise the views of others, but don't appreciate that criticism is a two-way street. If people can't accept criticism, perhaps they shouldn't post.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2021 17:51:40 GMT 1
I had this strange idea that the whole point of this forum was to air your views, puerile or not, without being abused. Would you like to put yourself forward as the moderator of all posts you deem puerile? You are quite right, everyone can express their views on this forum, but that does not mean that those views cannot then be criticised. The calling out of something as puerile, merely expresses my opinion of what has been said. It seems that some posters are happy to criticise the views of others, but don't appreciate that criticism is a two-way street. If people can't accept criticism, perhaps they shouldn't post. You still haven't actually stated whether you condone this Government's action in all it's forms. Just asking. As far as I can see there is nothing puerile in asking that I would have thought
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2021 21:25:07 GMT 1
You are quite right, everyone can express their views on this forum, but that does not mean that those views cannot then be criticised. The calling out of something as puerile, merely expresses my opinion of what has been said. It seems that some posters are happy to criticise the views of others, but don't appreciate that criticism is a two-way street. If people can't accept criticism, perhaps they shouldn't post. You still haven't actually stated whether you condone this Government's action in all it's forms. Just asking. As far as I can see there is nothing puerile in asking that I would have thought Name any government that has been perfect in everything they do… all governments make mistakes and will not please even the most ardent of supporters…
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2021 22:43:31 GMT 1
You still haven't actually stated whether you condone this Government's action in all it's forms. Just asking. As far as I can see there is nothing puerile in asking that I would have thought Name any government that has been perfect in everything they do… all governments make mistakes and will not please even the most ardent of supporters… I couldn't agree more but this government wins hands down for sleaze, mis-management and lies.
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Post by servernaside on Jul 1, 2021 17:08:27 GMT 1
Remainers are all predictably silent over the announcement by Nissan today of its almost half billion pound investment in the UK to build electric cars and boost battery production.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jul 1, 2021 18:01:21 GMT 1
Remainers are all predictably silent over the announcement by Nissan today of its almost half billion pound investment in the UK to build electric cars and boost battery production. We can’t assess whether Brexit was a success or not for several more years… isn’t that what we hear everytime a company ****s off blaming Brexit? Good news for the people of the North East though.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2021 21:14:23 GMT 1
Remainers are all predictably silent over the announcement by Nissan today of its almost half billion pound investment in the UK to build electric cars and boost battery production. As someone with his nose close to boris, do you have any idea how much the government paid for this? Agree it’s good news for the area👍
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2021 22:25:59 GMT 1
Remainers are all predictably silent over the announcement by Nissan today of its almost half billion pound investment in the UK to build electric cars and boost battery production. As someone with his nose close to boris, do you have any idea how much the government paid for this? Agree it’s good news for the area👍 £100 million but good news.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jul 2, 2021 6:14:01 GMT 1
The UK financial services sector has a comparative advantage in being a bag-carrier for the most venal individuals governments and corporations around the world ans so probably isn't going to sweat on this stuff.
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Post by neilsalop on Jul 2, 2021 6:15:20 GMT 1
As someone with his nose close to boris, do you have any idea how much the government paid for this? Agree it’s good news for the area👍 £100 million but good news. So we as taxpayers paid around 20% of the total investment? Add in the inevitable tax breaks that Nissan will be given and the good news is somewhat tainted.
I agree though that this could be great for the local and even national economy. A good start, but it needs to be backed up in the coming months and years.
The investment in zero emission vehicles by the government while laudable is at least 5 years behind what the German government has been doing and much more needs to be done to increase the amount of clean energy produced to be able to power these vehicles and our everyday lives. Every school, hospital, government building built since the 50s or 60s should have solar panels and/or wind turbines fitted. All new homes should be fitted with panels or turbines too, with full cost grants to enable those with older homes to retrofit them.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 2, 2021 7:08:52 GMT 1
Nissan need to up their game, reported that Tesla will get over 1 billion Euros of subsidies from the Germany government. But certainly good news considering there was concern Nissan may move on as a result of Brexit. Not only did that prove not to be the case but they're now seeing additional investment in the region. It is good news for the North East and good news for the UK for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2021 8:01:52 GMT 1
Nissan need to up their game, reported that Tesla will get over 1 billion Euros of subsidies from the Germany government. But certainly good news considering there was concern Nissan may move on as a result of Brexit. . Not strictly true that now is it. Nissan themselves said they’d be moving on if there was no brexit deal👍
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 2, 2021 9:03:02 GMT 1
Nissan need to up their game, reported that Tesla will get over 1 billion Euros of subsidies from the Germany government. But certainly good news considering there was concern Nissan may move on as a result of Brexit. . Not strictly true that now is it. Nissan themselves said they’d be moving on if there was no brexit deal👍 No, I think I have it right. There was concern that Nissan would move on as a result of Brexit.👍
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 2, 2021 9:50:46 GMT 1
Right, so there was concern that Nissan would leave as a result of Brexit. Which is what I said.👍
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2021 10:59:31 GMT 1
Right, so there was concern that Nissan would leave as a result of Brexit. Which is what I said.👍 No deal brexit, which is different isn’t it? Could be wrong mind! 👍
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Post by Pilch on Jul 2, 2021 11:27:25 GMT 1
speaking of the British car industry, it started to go pear shaped mid 70s, just when labour got in and not long after we joined the EU ;-)
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jul 2, 2021 11:32:24 GMT 1
To be serious Pilch, I was involved in the industry in the 70s and lay most of the blame on BL management who were weak, arrogant and complacent. The trade unions advantage and everyone lost in the end.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 2, 2021 11:46:51 GMT 1
Right, so there was concern that Nissan would leave as a result of Brexit. Which is what I said.👍 No deal brexit, which is different isn’t it? Could be wrong mind! 👍 Which could well have happened. So there was concern that Nissan would leave the UK due to Brexit. Maybe we just agree to disagree on this. Like I say above, I think I have it right.👍
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Post by Pilch on Jul 2, 2021 13:07:28 GMT 1
To be serious Pilch, I was involved in the industry in the 70s and lay most of the blame on BL management who were weak, arrogant and complacent. The trade unions advantage and everyone lost in the end. its strange I lived through the 70s, can hardly remember any of it, mainly as I was too young to nothing seems good about it looking back and yet if I could wake up tomorrow and relive a decade it would be the 70s and I dont know why
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Post by darkshrew on Jul 2, 2021 13:13:14 GMT 1
To be serious Pilch, I was involved in the industry in the 70s and lay most of the blame on BL management who were weak, arrogant and complacent. The trade unions advantage and everyone lost in the end. its strange I lived through the 70s, can hardly remember any of it, mainly as I was too young to nothing seems good about it looking back and yet if I could wake up tomorrow and relive a decade it would be the 70s and I dont know why I grew up in the 70s too - remember Red Robbo well - best time to be a kid; feel sorry for them now.
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Post by mattmw on Jul 2, 2021 14:52:22 GMT 1
Nissan statement is very good news. Much needed investment in renewable energy for transport and the north east region
Be interesting to see where the batteries produced go. Whether to internal market in the UK, or to other production plants in the EU - if it’s the latter it would suggest Nissan have been given assurances UK will align with EU rules and arbitration on these products to make exports easier.
Alignment isn’t popular with some Brexit supporters but seems a sensible approach to maintain export markets into the EU from UK
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jul 2, 2021 15:12:10 GMT 1
its strange I lived through the 70s, can hardly remember any of it, mainly as I was too young to nothing seems good about it looking back and yet if I could wake up tomorrow and relive a decade it would be the 70s and I dont know why I grew up in the 70s too - remember Red Robbo well - best time to be a kid; feel sorry for them now. I wonder whether everyone thinks that the time they grew up was the best? For an adult the 70s were horrible. Rampant inflation and a wage freeze, the 3 day week, British industry going down the tubes while management and unions were incapable of working for the common good, violence at football, fashion crimes and appalling hairstyles etc. I grew up in the '50s, idyllic. Loads of freedom for kids, peadophilies hadn't been heard of, very little road traffic so we could ride our bikes safely, lots of green spaces to play in - later filled with housing, standard of living improving as war time restrictions were eased, Arthur Rowley at Gay Meadow, proper county cricket and non of this white ball travesty and the sun was always shining.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jul 2, 2021 22:03:21 GMT 1
Just your regular reminder to say that we as tax payers are not "on the hook" for the £100 million spent on this. Nor will our grandchildren be burdened by it. Instead they will have use of this important facility for the future economy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2021 22:55:25 GMT 1
Just your regular reminder to say that we as tax payers are not "on the hook" for the £100 million spent on this. Nor will our grandchildren be burdened by it. Instead they will have use of this important facility for the future economy. That is also an excellent argument for re-nationalising utilities but any profits are returned to the taxpayer unlike going to Nissan.
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Post by neilsalop on Jul 3, 2021 10:56:02 GMT 1
To be serious Pilch, I was involved in the industry in the 70s and lay most of the blame on BL management who were weak, arrogant and complacent. The trade unions advantage and everyone lost in the end. its strange I lived through the 70s, can hardly remember any of it, mainly as I was too young to nothing seems good about it looking back and yet if I could wake up tomorrow and relive a decade it would be the 70s and I dont know why The music.
Pretty much everything else in the '70s was e and the '80s were even worse as after about '82 we didn't even have decent music to cheer us up.
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Post by neilsalop on Jul 3, 2021 11:09:40 GMT 1
Just your regular reminder to say that we as tax payers are not "on the hook" for the £100 million spent on this. Nor will our grandchildren be burdened by it. Instead they will have use of this important facility for the future economy. That is also an excellent argument for re-nationalising utilities but any profits are returned to the taxpayer unlike going to Nissan. Would that be Nissan that are 43% owned by Renualt, who in turn are 15% owned by the French government.
Just like 24 of the 30 railway companies that are owned by French, German, Dutch, Italian governments or foreign investment companies. The fact that our government are paying huge subsidies to the train operators that are effectively subsidising public transport in other countries is actually beyond parody.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2021 13:21:05 GMT 1
That is also an excellent argument for re-nationalising utilities but any profits are returned to the taxpayer unlike going to Nissan. Would that be Nissan that are 43% owned by Renualt, who in turn are 15% owned by the French government.
Just like 24 of the 30 railway companies that are owned by French, German, Dutch, Italian governments or foreign investment companies. The fact that our government are paying huge subsidies to the train operators that are effectively subsidising public transport in other countries is actually beyond parody.
That can’t be true buddy. I mean, look at all the union jacks and s**t flying around the place👍
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