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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2021 16:57:43 GMT 1
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Post by highlandshrew on Apr 15, 2021 17:18:42 GMT 1
Who cares? Probably by now over 50% of the electorate who, by all current and past opinion polls recently, regret Brexit. You're forgetting the most important poll of all....the last General Election when the Conservatives won a landslide majority on the basis of 'Get Brexit Done'. A landslide in England, maybe, but not in Wales, Northern Ireland and certainly not in Scotland. There is no majority support for the Conservatives in these countries.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 15, 2021 17:56:50 GMT 1
How many more fatuous or insensitive arguments are you likely to spill out 16,141,241 stat of the day did you know there was 26,033 rejected ballots they didnt know what they were voting for ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2021 18:53:38 GMT 1
How many more fatuous or insensitive arguments are you likely to spill out 16,141,241 stat of the day did you know there was 26,033 rejected ballots they didnt know what they were voting for ? Or, to put it another way...29,089,359
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Post by servernaside on Apr 15, 2021 19:20:07 GMT 1
It rather depends on one's definition of RECENTLY. Your use of the words 'current and past' in conjunction with the word RECENTLY would suggest that it is your comprehension that is lacking. Only now does your reply mention the phrase ''since the 2019 GE'. Your confusion seems to be complete.
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Post by servernaside on Apr 15, 2021 19:21:13 GMT 1
You're forgetting the most important poll of all....the last General Election when the Conservatives won a landslide majority on the basis of 'Get Brexit Done'. A landslide in England, maybe, but not in Wales, Northern Ireland and certainly not in Scotland. There is no majority support for the Conservatives in these countries. And there was me thinking that it was a UK wide election.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2021 22:40:31 GMT 1
It rather depends on one's definition of RECENTLY. Your use of the words 'current and past' in conjunction with the word RECENTLY would suggest that it is your comprehension that is lacking. Only now does your reply mention the phrase ''since the 2019 GE'. Your confusion seems to be complete. Well, I had to put in reference to the 2019 GE for you especially because of your limited comprehension. Says it all really when your post fails to comment on the opinion poll quoted which negates you reference to the GE anyway.
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Post by Valerioch on Apr 16, 2021 9:37:26 GMT 1
Meanwhile todays Yougov poll puts the Tories on 43%, Labour on 29%...
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 16, 2021 9:41:43 GMT 1
Meanwhile todays Yougov poll puts the Tories on 43%, Labour on 29%... bit depressing if you vote labour
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 16, 2021 10:14:31 GMT 1
Still not go around to calling everyone a racist, a Nazi or a fascists by the looks. Give them time, it'll come.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 16, 2021 10:15:44 GMT 1
Meanwhile todays Yougov poll puts the Tories on 43%, Labour on 29%... bit depressing if you vote labour But for those of us who don't want the modern left anywhere near government. Looking to the poll it shows gains for Greens and the LibDems whilst Labour are down 5. Gut feeling is that I hope that is set to continue as I think that might well be required in order to allow Labour to get back to what it was created to do...π Although saying that, Britain Elects polling shows the following... CON: 43.0% (+3.3) LAB: 34.4% (-4.3) LDEM: 7.1% (+0.7) GRN: 5.3% (+0.8)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2021 11:04:23 GMT 1
It rather depends on one's definition of RECENTLY. Your use of the words 'current and past' in conjunction with the word RECENTLY would suggest that it is your comprehension that is lacking. Only now does your reply mention the phrase ''since the 2019 GE'. Your confusion seems to be complete. Well, I had to put in reference to the 2019 GE for you especially because of your limited comprehension. Says it all really when your post fails to comment on the opinion poll quoted which negates you reference to the GE anyway. Opinion Polls :- Small number that can be counted however you wish. GE :- Opportunity for every person above legal age to have a say in how country will be run over next 5 years...... Stop your whining, you may enjoy life a bit more..... :-)πππππππ
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2021 11:55:07 GMT 1
Well, I had to put in reference to the 2019 GE for you especially because of your limited comprehension. Says it all really when your post fails to comment on the opinion poll quoted which negates you reference to the GE anyway. Opinion Polls :- Small number that can be counted however you wish. GE :- Opportunity for every person above legal age to have a say in how country will be run over next 5 years...... Stop your whining, you may enjoy life a bit more..... :-)πππππππ With "first past the post" elections you cannot possibly seriously state that everyone has a say and be represented. Do I have to remind you that the Conservatives failed to achieve anywhere near a 50% share of the vote therefore they have no real mandate to govern the country? That is/was unlike the EU elections with PR and your views were much more likely to be represented.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2021 12:15:01 GMT 1
Opinion Polls :- Small number that can be counted however you wish. GE :- Opportunity for every person above legal age to have a say in how country will be run over next 5 years...... Stop your whining, you may enjoy life a bit more..... :-)πππππππ With "first past the post" elections you cannot possibly seriously state that everyone has a say and be represented. Do I have to remind you that the Conservatives failed to achieve anywhere near a 50% share of the vote therefore they have no real mandate to govern the country? That is/was unlike the EU elections with PR and your views were much more likely to be represented. π€£π€£π€£
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Post by SeanBroseley on Apr 17, 2021 23:58:39 GMT 1
If this is a vaccine bounce why are the Greens and LidDems benefitting? The Labour Party returning to the path trod by European social democratic parties in the last two decades. It's a necessary process. After the May elections I foresee a more prominent role for Mandelson to accelerate the processs.
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Post by martinshrew on Apr 18, 2021 9:05:50 GMT 1
If this is a vaccine bounce why are the Greens and LidDems benefitting? The Labour Party returning to the path trod by European social democratic parties in the last two decades. It's a necessary process. After the May elections I foresee a more prominent role for Mandelson to accelerate the processs. It's very obvious. Starmer is sat on the fence and backing the government on most things, the lib dims and greens are at least pretending to go against the government to gain a few flip flop votes.
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Post by martinshrew on Apr 18, 2021 9:06:17 GMT 1
Opinion Polls :- Small number that can be counted however you wish. GE :- Opportunity for every person above legal age to have a say in how country will be run over next 5 years...... Stop your whining, you may enjoy life a bit more..... :-)πππππππ With "first past the post" elections you cannot possibly seriously state that everyone has a say and be represented. Do I have to remind you that the Conservatives failed to achieve anywhere near a 50% share of the vote therefore they have no real mandate to govern the country? That is/was unlike the EU elections with PR and your views were much more likely to be represented. Surely you don't believe that? That's beyond clutching at straws.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Apr 18, 2021 9:41:09 GMT 1
If this is a vaccine bounce why are the Greens and LidDems benefitting? The Labour Party returning to the path trod by European social democratic parties in the last two decades. It's a necessary process. After the May elections I foresee a more prominent role for Mandelson to accelerate the processs. It's very obvious. Starmer is sat on the fence and backing the government on most things, the lib dims and greens are at least pretending to go against the government to gain a few flip flop votes. I'm not sure that vaccine bounce was about a bounce downwards for Labour rather than a bounce upwards for the Conservatives. In any case if we take a long view and look at the Yougov poll of 4-5 May 2017, the week of the local elections, we can see that Conservative and Labour support has moved 1%.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 11:00:14 GMT 1
With "first past the post" elections you cannot possibly seriously state that everyone has a say and be represented. Do I have to remind you that the Conservatives failed to achieve anywhere near a 50% share of the vote therefore they have no real mandate to govern the country? That is/was unlike the EU elections with PR and your views were much more likely to be represented. Surely you don't believe that? That's beyond clutching at straws. Figures prove me correct !!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 15:45:49 GMT 1
Surely you don't believe that? That's beyond clutching at straws. Figures prove me correct !!! How many governments in the UK have been formed with a figure above 50% of the vote?
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Post by Pilch on Apr 18, 2021 16:08:34 GMT 1
Opinion Polls :- Small number that can be counted however you wish. GE :- Opportunity for every person above legal age to have a say in how country will be run over next 5 years...... Stop your whining, you may enjoy life a bit more..... :-)πππππππ With "first past the post" elections you cannot possibly seriously state that everyone has a say and be represented. Do I have to remind you that the Conservatives failed to achieve anywhere near a 50% share of the vote therefore they have no real mandate to govern the country? That is/was unlike the EU elections with PR and your views were much more likely to be represented. until they come up with a least votes wins system you'll never be happy
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 16:42:05 GMT 1
With "first past the post" elections you cannot possibly seriously state that everyone has a say and be represented. Do I have to remind you that the Conservatives failed to achieve anywhere near a 50% share of the vote therefore they have no real mandate to govern the country? That is/was unlike the EU elections with PR and your views were much more likely to be represented. until they come up with a least votes wins system you'll never be happy or inject something irrelevant to deflect and shut up argument
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 18:33:11 GMT 1
Figures prove me correct !!! How many governments in the UK have been formed with a figure above 50% of the vote? I think the answer is probably one which only goes further to prove my point about how unrepresentative our system is.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 18:34:31 GMT 1
With "first past the post" elections you cannot possibly seriously state that everyone has a say and be represented. Do I have to remind you that the Conservatives failed to achieve anywhere near a 50% share of the vote therefore they have no real mandate to govern the country? That is/was unlike the EU elections with PR and your views were much more likely to be represented. until they come up with a least votes wins system you'll never be happy I think you are confusing referenda with PR !!!
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Post by darkshrew on May 3, 2021 13:43:10 GMT 1
Classic performance from Raab on the Andrew Marr show yesterday - in response to a question whether Boris Johnson's "emphatically not" response to a question about there being controls on trade between the UK and Northern Ireland was incorrect with the benefit of hindsight - he failed to answer but went on to explain how complicated the matter was. A bit different from the explanation as to how simple it was during the Brexit debate.
I wonder if the Cummings tapes will extend to lies over Brexit.
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Post by northwestman on May 5, 2021 22:24:59 GMT 1
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on May 6, 2021 15:03:20 GMT 1
βArmed with cannonβ, do they also have a trebuchet, grappling hooks and prepare to board with swords between their teeth?
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Post by martinshrew on May 6, 2021 15:51:51 GMT 1
French will be gone in no time as per.
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Post by servernaside on May 6, 2021 17:06:10 GMT 1
French fisherman have repeatedly tried to take the law into their own hands with the blockades and bully boy tactics for many decades. Attempts to blockade a foreign port need to be dealt with robustly. I understand they have now sailed back over the horizon.
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Post by davycrockett on May 6, 2021 17:31:02 GMT 1
French fisherman have repeatedly tried to take the law into their own hands with the blockades and bully boy tactics for many decades. Attempts to blockade a foreign port need to be dealt with robustly. I understand they have now sailed back over the horizon. Justifiably apparently. The Channel Island government is also frustrated at the time its taking to issue the permits and the Channel Island fisherman are supporting the French blockaders.
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