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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 13, 2021 12:30:34 GMT 1
Regardless of Pilch claiming everything is as it was Brexit is making changes to how companies work and how people will be able to conduct their lives. Whether the changes are big or small, positive or negative depends on the circumstances of the firms or individuals. The real bone of contention for most of the remainers seems to be that those voters who see little or no impact on them seem to be the most fervent supporters of Brexit. The referendum was never a vote based on facts. Aside from the chuckles about the chap in Spain and his wife who have to leave I wonder how many will also regret the choice further down the line. [Cue Pilch comment that at least they are alive because they got the vaccine]. but I can see that you are worried someone might actually point out that Brexit has potentially saved 10's of thousands of lives ALREADY I guess this is what you are getting at? COVID-19 vaccines have prevented 10,400 deaths in older adults
I think opinions will differ of course but if you do tally the success of the UK vaccination program with Brexit then I guess these are the numbers you can point to. If I have read it right anyhow.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2021 12:37:28 GMT 1
Funny thing on LBC this morning stating that of remainers questioned as to which way they would vote if the referendum was held again this week, they think the number who would now vote to leave is in the region of 20 - 25% of the population, and this is a direct result of EU handling of pandemic and vaccines....... lets have another ref quick..... :-)
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Post by Pilch on Apr 13, 2021 13:03:32 GMT 1
but I can see that you are worried someone might actually point out that Brexit has potentially saved 10's of thousands of lives ALREADY I guess this is what you are getting at? COVID-19 vaccines have prevented 10,400 deaths in older adults
I think opinions will differ of course but if you do tally the success of the UK vaccination program with Brexit then I guess these are the numbers you can point to. If I have read it right anyhow. Good spot , so it’s true 10s of thousands already saved but let’s not forget some people now have to pop their name on a form like the rest of Europe do 😜
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Post by darkshrew on Apr 14, 2021 18:01:42 GMT 1
Regardless of Pilch claiming everything is as it was Brexit is making changes to how companies work and how people will be able to conduct their lives. Whether the changes are big or small, positive or negative depends on the circumstances of the firms or individuals. The real bone of contention for most of the remainers seems to be that those voters who see little or no impact on them seem to be the most fervent supporters of Brexit. The referendum was never a vote based on facts. Aside from the chuckles about the chap in Spain and his wife who have to leave I wonder how many will also regret the choice further down the line. [Cue Pilch comment that at least they are alive because they got the vaccine]. I can speak for myself thanks but I can see that you are worried someone might actually point out that Brexit has potentially saved 10's of thousands of lives ALREADY So rather than concede that Brexit has caused some issues like a grown up you choose to admit no wrong and divert attention. Have you thought about going into politics - you seem to be following Mr Cummings' school of admit no wrong even when it is obvious to all very well.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 14, 2021 18:37:54 GMT 1
I can speak for myself thanks but I can see that you are worried someone might actually point out that Brexit has potentially saved 10's of thousands of lives ALREADY So rather than concede that Brexit has caused some issues like a grown up you choose to admit no wrong and divert attention. Have you thought about going into politics - you seem to be following Mr Cummings' school of admit no wrong even when it is obvious to all very well. sorry if I mentioned something trivial like 10s of thousands of lives have been saved but if you check my recent post I did fully admit that several people now have to pop their name at the top of a piece of paper bringing them into line with the rest of Europe major double blow that for remoaners like yourself
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Post by neilsalop on Apr 14, 2021 19:21:58 GMT 1
Quick and easy question for all the Leave voters on here.
Is there any single thing about Brexit that you accept is bad for the country or for yourself?
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Post by Pilch on Apr 14, 2021 19:26:58 GMT 1
Quick and easy question for all the Leave voters on here.
Is there any single thing about Brexit that you accept is bad for the country or for yourself?
yeah, those who still cant accept a democratic vote
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Post by SeanBroseley on Apr 14, 2021 19:33:47 GMT 1
I can accept a democratic vote. 52/48 should be reflected in the UK being outside the EU but closely aligned. It is a failure of the UK's institutions that that hasn't occurred. The problems that UK exporters are having and at least some of the problems with NI border are because UK food standards are not aligned with the EU's. That non-alignment is a policy choice of the UK government.
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Post by neilsalop on Apr 15, 2021 5:58:55 GMT 1
Quick and easy question for all the Leave voters on here.
Is there any single thing about Brexit that you accept is bad for the country or for yourself?
yeah, those who still cant accept a democratic vote Is that it? That's all you've got?
Exports down = don't care.
Northern Ireland burning = couldn't give a toss.
Businesses going under = tough.
Financial services moving out of London = meh!.
People complaining that we didn't get what everyone on the Leave side promised and pointing out the bulls**t = F**kin' meltdown.
Seeing as it annoys the f**k out of you I'll keep banging on about it. Have a nice day
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Post by Valerioch on Apr 15, 2021 6:59:45 GMT 1
I can accept a democratic vote. 52/48 should be reflected in the UK being outside the EU but closely aligned. It is a failure of the UK's institutions that that hasn't occurred. The problems that UK exporters are having and at least some of the problems with NI border are because UK food standards are not aligned with the EU's. That non-alignment is a policy choice of the UK government. “Should be outside the EU but closely aligned” Says who? You? That was never the deal and you know it, your also a hypocrite, if it was 52/48 Remain, would we have bits of Leave chucked in? Would we **** 😂 It’s like Town losing 3-2 but asking for half a point cos it was a close result 😂
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Post by darkshrew on Apr 15, 2021 7:10:14 GMT 1
I can accept a democratic vote. 52/48 should be reflected in the UK being outside the EU but closely aligned. It is a failure of the UK's institutions that that hasn't occurred. The problems that UK exporters are having and at least some of the problems with NI border are because UK food standards are not aligned with the EU's. That non-alignment is a policy choice of the UK government. “Should be outside the EU but closely aligned” Says who? You? That was never the deal and you know it, your also a hypocrite, if it was 52/48 Remain, would we have bits of Leave chucked in? Would we **** 😂 It’s like Town losing 3-2 but asking for half a point cos it was a close result 😂 There were bits of leave chucked in already and Dodgy Dave got us even more - we were not in the Euro for example and Dave got the benefits to incoming EU citizens curtailed. Look at all the squealing of Sweden, Netherlands et al now that we are not there ensuring that countries have opt outs. None as blind as those who refuse to see.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2021 8:12:22 GMT 1
I can accept a democratic vote. 52/48 should be reflected in the UK being outside the EU but closely aligned. It is a failure of the UK's institutions that that hasn't occurred. The problems that UK exporters are having and at least some of the problems with NI border are because UK food standards are not aligned with the EU's. That non-alignment is a policy choice of the UK government. “Should be outside the EU but closely aligned” Says who? You? That was never the deal and you know it, your also a hypocrite, if it was 52/48 Remain, would we have bits of Leave chucked in? Would we **** 😂 It’s like Town losing 3-2 but asking for half a point cos it was a close result 😂 “Should be outside the EU but closely aligned” Says Who? Vote Leave says who. That was part of their manifesto. "As far as trade is concerned nothing will change". They knew that it was a lie because of freedom of movement. Worth reminding ourselves that if Remain had won 52-48 (his figures) Farage would carry on campaigning. It's time Brexiters accepted that Remainers have a valid reason to campaign against Brexit. Not good enough to say "You lost get over it"!!!
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Post by martinshrew on Apr 15, 2021 8:59:37 GMT 1
yeah, those who still cant accept a democratic vote Is that it? That's all you've got?
Exports down = don't care.
Northern Ireland burning = couldn't give a toss.
Businesses going under = tough.
Financial services moving out of London = meh!.
People complaining that we didn't get what everyone on the Leave side promised and pointing out the bulls**t = F**kin' meltdown.
Seeing as it annoys the f**k out of you I'll keep banging on about it. Have a nice day Let's look at the figures when there isn't a worldwide pandemic? Might be a little more sensible, and more importantly fair.
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Post by davycrockett on Apr 15, 2021 9:10:14 GMT 1
Is that it? That's all you've got?
Exports down = don't care.
Northern Ireland burning = couldn't give a toss.
Businesses going under = tough.
Financial services moving out of London = meh!.
People complaining that we didn't get what everyone on the Leave side promised and pointing out the bulls**t = F**kin' meltdown.
Seeing as it annoys the f**k out of you I'll keep banging on about it. Have a nice day Let's look at the figures when there isn't a worldwide pandemic? Might be a little more sensible, and more importantly fair. What see if the fires go out in NI? Financial services moving back to London? What have these got to do with the pandemic?
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Post by Pilch on Apr 15, 2021 10:31:31 GMT 1
We can easily shut Northern Ireland up
Just set free 250 terrorists keeps them quiet for a few years
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Apr 15, 2021 12:00:17 GMT 1
I can accept a democratic vote. 52/48 should be reflected in the UK being outside the EU but closely aligned. It is a failure of the UK's institutions that that hasn't occurred. The problems that UK exporters are having and at least some of the problems with NI border are because UK food standards are not aligned with the EU's. That non-alignment is a policy choice of the UK government. “Should be outside the EU but closely aligned” Says who? You? That was never the deal and you know it, your also a hypocrite, if it was 52/48 Remain, would we have bits of Leave chucked in? Would we **** 😂 It’s like Town losing 3-2 but asking for half a point cos it was a close result 😂 Think it's more common sense and geography that we should stay closely aligned to one of if not the biggest trading blocs in the world that's right next door to us isn't it?
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Post by Pilch on Apr 15, 2021 12:20:18 GMT 1
Town get 52 points and finish 20th and stay up Bristol rovers 48 and finish 21st and go down
Bristol then throw their weetabix out of the pram They want the whole season played again They say the result might be different this time
And then moan all next season as they are worse off in league
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 15, 2021 12:40:07 GMT 1
Wasn't closer alignment available with May's deal?
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Apr 15, 2021 12:45:55 GMT 1
Wasn't closer alignment available with May's deal? It was, biggest regret from remainer MP's I imagine that they didn't just hold their nose and vote for it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2021 14:35:16 GMT 1
Town get 52 points and finish 20th and stay up Bristol rovers 48 and finish 21st and go down Bristol then throw their weetabix out of the pram They want the whole season played again They say the result might be different this time And then moan all next season as they are worse off in league 😜😜🤡😝🤡😜🤡🤡🤡 Same old, same old. The huge difference is the league table is governed by FA rules. The Referendum was only meant to be advisory but the politicians chose to implement it. The big difference was the PR referendum was enacted previously in law as legally binding whereas the EU referendum was not. From the impartial Full Fact:-"Nigel Farage, for example, accepts that the referendum result was technically advisory only, but says that “I would now wish to see constitutional change to make referendums binding”.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2021 14:47:54 GMT 1
yeah, those who still cant accept a democratic vote Is that it? That's all you've got?
Exports down = don't care.
Northern Ireland burning = couldn't give a toss.
Businesses going under = tough.
Financial services moving out of London = meh!.
People complaining that we didn't get what everyone on the Leave side promised and pointing out the bulls**t = F**kin' meltdown. Its this sort of meltdown that i enjoy seeing as it keeps me sane.... and i believe the long term benefits outweigh the short term gain, hence why i voted leave
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2021 14:50:40 GMT 1
Town get 52 points and finish 20th and stay up Bristol rovers 48 and finish 21st and go down Bristol then throw their weetabix out of the pram They want the whole season played again They say the result might be different this time And then moan all next season as they are worse off in league 😜😜🤡😝🤡😜🤡🤡🤡 How many more fatuous or insensitive arguments are you likely to spill out
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2021 14:53:47 GMT 1
Same old, same old. The huge difference is the league table is governed by FA rules. The Referendum was only meant to be advisory but the politicians chose to implement it. The big difference was the PR referendum was enacted previously in law as legally binding whereas the EU referendum was not. From the impartial Full Fact:-"Nigel Farage, for example, accepts that the referendum result was technically advisory only, but says that “I would now wish to see constitutional change to make referendums binding”. And?? who cares, we have left....... keep wasting your time bringing up old crap..... we are out..... Out out as Mickey F would say.....
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Post by neilsalop on Apr 15, 2021 14:58:33 GMT 1
Is that it? That's all you've got?
Exports down = don't care.
Northern Ireland burning = couldn't give a toss.
Businesses going under = tough.
Financial services moving out of London = meh!.
People complaining that we didn't get what everyone on the Leave side promised and pointing out the bulls**t = F**kin' meltdown. Its this sort of meltdown that i enjoy seeing as it keeps me sane.... and i believe the long term benefits outweigh the short term gain, hence why i voted leave Got a timescale for those benefits kicking in? 2, 5, 10, 50 years maybe. How short term are we looking at? The same as for the fictional benefits? If you think that's a meltdown you need to go back over some of Pilch's posts. Wah wah wah, woe is f**kin' me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2021 14:58:44 GMT 1
And?? who cares, we have left....... keep wasting your time bringing up old cr@p..... we are out..... Out out as Mickey F would say..... Who cares? Probably by now over 50% of the electorate who, by all current and past opinion polls recently, regret Brexit.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2021 15:05:12 GMT 1
Nope, swung the other way now, with the vaccine issues..... but still irrelvant
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Post by servernaside on Apr 15, 2021 15:25:08 GMT 1
And?? who cares, we have left....... keep wasting your time bringing up old cr@p..... we are out..... Out out as Mickey F would say..... Who cares? Probably by now over 50% of the electorate who, by all current and past opinion polls recently, regret Brexit. You're forgetting the most important poll of all....the last General Election when the Conservatives won a landslide majority on the basis of 'Get Brexit Done'.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Apr 15, 2021 15:34:25 GMT 1
I can accept a democratic vote. 52/48 should be reflected in the UK being outside the EU but closely aligned. It is a failure of the UK's institutions that that hasn't occurred. The problems that UK exporters are having and at least some of the problems with NI border are because UK food standards are not aligned with the EU's. That non-alignment is a policy choice of the UK government. “Should be outside the EU but closely aligned” Says who? You? That was never the deal and you know it, your also a hypocrite, if it was 52/48 Remain, would we have bits of Leave chucked in? Would we **** 😂 It’s like Town losing 3-2 but asking for half a point cos it was a close result 😂 There is no meaningful comparison between a football match and a referendum. But chortle away. The vote was consultative. As it had to be because there was no sense in which the relationship with the EU after leaving was set in stone. 52-48 result is a narrow result on which to hinge a fundamental change. We do not have politicians that are able to take a nuanced position and reading your post, perhaps, that's because we have the politicians we deserve.
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 15, 2021 15:46:28 GMT 1
Now that we are out, it's in our interest for the EU to flounder and for us to deal with the countries of the EU. We should strive for closer ties with Europe, the countries of Europe need us and we need them, but a relationship more in line with what we can stomach. We never really bought in to the EU, but I think most liked the Common Market. We need to find a way forward that is mutually beneficial.
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Post by neilsalop on Apr 15, 2021 16:04:37 GMT 1
Now that we are out, it's in our interest for the EU to flounder and for us to deal with the countries of the EU. We should strive for closer ties with Europe, the countries of Europe need us and we need them, but a relationship more in line with what we can stomach. We never really bought in to the EU, but I think most liked the Common Market. We need to find a way forward that is mutually beneficial. Perhaps something akin to the EFTA. Just a thought 😉
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