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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2021 18:00:05 GMT 1
Sending in gun ships will of course appeal to some people with a certain mentality.
On completely unrelated news it’s Election Day today👍
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2021 18:25:50 GMT 1
Rule Britannia.
Or something.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on May 6, 2021 20:03:14 GMT 1
The Mail showing its usual disregard for accuracy. The armada was Spanish, Cape Trafalgar is off the mainland of Spain and the battle was against combined Spanish and French fleets.
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Post by servernaside on May 6, 2021 21:48:24 GMT 1
The use of the term Spanish Armada in this context is misleading. The Spanish Armada sent to invade this country in 1588 was some 217 years prior to Battle of Trafalgar.
The combined French and Spanish fleets defeated at Trafalgar in 1805 occurred during the Napoleonic Wars.
As you say, the Mail is either guilty of lazy journalism, or it's a case of historical ignorance on the part of the French fishermen.
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Post by staffordshrew on May 6, 2021 22:09:07 GMT 1
Jersey fish trader on the radio said he agreed with the French, suddenly being told they could only fish 10 days a year now is not on. He also reckoned it's being handled wrongly - "The best way to sort anything out with the French is to negotiate over a good meal and a nice bottle of wine".
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Post by neilsalop on May 22, 2021 8:40:30 GMT 1
Wonderful news about the trade deal being struck with Australia isn't it? Apart from a few things of course, but there are flies in every ointment aren't there? Here's a couple just to be going on with. The Australian rules on animal protection are not quite as good as those of the UK or the EU, but the lamb will no doubt be cheaper and will undercut the UK sheep farming industry, but not to worry, I've no doubt that most sheep farmers in the Welsh or Cumbrian hills will be able to diversify into some other form of agriculture or tourism. The deal will apparently benefit the UK economy to the tune of £500m over the next 15 years, or to put it another way 0.01% of GDP. It's going to take a while to see any real benefit to the average person. Going back to the Australian animal protection issue, this is worth a look. I wouldn't watch the videos though if I was you, graphic doesn't do it justice, ****ing horrific is closer to the mark. People moan about Halal products, but don't let anyone tell me that the Australian methods are any less barbaric. www.animalsaustralia.org/issues/sheep-painful-procedures.phpBut hey Boris Johnson and Liz Truss are talking this deal up and they're both completely trustworthy, right?
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Post by salop27 on May 22, 2021 14:59:54 GMT 1
Someone once said if slaughter houses had glass walls we'd all be vegetarian. Probably true. More competition in the marketplace is a good thing. How many of us actually eat beef or lamb regularly? Not me as its to expensive to buy for a medium sized family meal.
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Post by SeanBroseley on May 22, 2021 17:48:27 GMT 1
Food production is a strategic industry. It needs to be made better not under cut.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 14, 2021 9:25:44 GMT 1
As with everything "Brexit" we need to make sure that we take into account the pandemic and the impact that is having on certain things rather than the UK leaving the EU (as in, we can not be sure what is having an impact on such things and to what degree). And of course it is still very much early days, we don't know the real true impact and we won't for some time. But that said, this for sure is something that should be kept an eye on... Brexit drives up wages by ending free movementStaff are enjoying significantly higher salaries as Brexit, the pandemic and the furlough scheme cut competition for jobs - in an early sign that leaving the EU is benefitting lower-skilled workers in the UK.
Data from recruitment firm Reed, first reported by The Sunday Times, has found that average salaries this year have risen by 18pc across hospitality and catering, 10pc in retail and 4pc overall.
According to Reed, the average salary in hospitality is now £26,888 compared to £22,701 last year and £23,425 in 2019. The average salary in retail is now £29,310, it said, compared to £26,758 last year and £23,425 in 2019.
Economists said the staff shortages were due to factors connected to the pandemic, such as the furlough scheme, students studying from home and people having moved out of big cities, as well as Brexit.
Paul Dales, of Capital Economics, said Brexit and migration back to the European Union were helping drive staff shortages and increasing pay.
He added: “I think there is going to be some labour shortages and upward pressure [on wages] in those sectors that tend to employ a higher share of migrants from the EU - such as agriculture and hospitality.”
It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Because if this is indeed the case, you can certainly understand why the claims of others being selfish was a two way street when it came to the referendum. Not definitive for sure. But something to consider when looking to the impact of Brexit.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2021 11:39:49 GMT 1
As with everything "Brexit" we need to make sure that we take into account the pandemic and the impact that is having on certain things rather than the UK leaving the EU (as in, we can not be sure what is having an impact on such things and to what degree). And of course it is still very much early days, we don't know the real true impact and we won't for some time. But that said, this for sure is something that should be kept an eye on... Brexit drives up wages by ending free movementStaff are enjoying significantly higher salaries as Brexit, the pandemic and the furlough scheme cut competition for jobs - in an early sign that leaving the EU is benefitting lower-skilled workers in the UK.
Data from recruitment firm Reed, first reported by The Sunday Times, has found that average salaries this year have risen by 18pc across hospitality and catering, 10pc in retail and 4pc overall.
According to Reed, the average salary in hospitality is now £26,888 compared to £22,701 last year and £23,425 in 2019. The average salary in retail is now £29,310, it said, compared to £26,758 last year and £23,425 in 2019.
Economists said the staff shortages were due to factors connected to the pandemic, such as the furlough scheme, students studying from home and people having moved out of big cities, as well as Brexit.
Paul Dales, of Capital Economics, said Brexit and migration back to the European Union were helping drive staff shortages and increasing pay.
He added: “I think there is going to be some labour shortages and upward pressure [on wages] in those sectors that tend to employ a higher share of migrants from the EU - such as agriculture and hospitality.”
It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Because if this is indeed the case, you can certainly understand why the claims of others being selfish was a two way street when it came to the referendum. Not definitive for sure. But something to consider when looking to the impact of Brexit. The other side of the coin is that prices will rise because of increased wages and it was only the other day that some prominent spokesperson for the hospitality industry was bemoaning the fact that they could not recruit enough people for LOVE nor MONEY.
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Post by mattmw on Jun 14, 2021 11:59:16 GMT 1
Labour shortages have been raised as a significant issue with NFU in Shropshire, where the lack of EU workers this summer is impacting on soft fruit crop picking and veg. To the extent that some crops might just get distroyed rather than picked this year. Lack of staff in the care sector is also increasing, having been an issue pre brexit too.
The admin costs of seasonal workers coming from the EU seems to be putting off workers, so increased wages is likely to come in to encourage those workers still to come, or to recruit more workers from none EU counties in eastern europe, asia and africa. But many producers I'm speaking to have really struggled for recruitment this year, especially in Shropshire where our older population means there isn't a big source of young people wanting to work on that sector.
Of course wage increases are good for people that get them, but it also pushes inflation up, and some economists are predicting inflation to reach over 2% by next spring, which in turn could see interest rates raise. It will be a careful balance for the bank of England on how they deal with inflation, as increasing interest rates could hit those with high borrowing and stall any recovery post Covid.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 14, 2021 12:43:59 GMT 1
As with everything "Brexit" we need to make sure that we take into account the pandemic and the impact that is having on certain things rather than the UK leaving the EU (as in, we can not be sure what is having an impact on such things and to what degree). And of course it is still very much early days, we don't know the real true impact and we won't for some time. But that said, this for sure is something that should be kept an eye on... Brexit drives up wages by ending free movementStaff are enjoying significantly higher salaries as Brexit, the pandemic and the furlough scheme cut competition for jobs - in an early sign that leaving the EU is benefitting lower-skilled workers in the UK.
Data from recruitment firm Reed, first reported by The Sunday Times, has found that average salaries this year have risen by 18pc across hospitality and catering, 10pc in retail and 4pc overall.
According to Reed, the average salary in hospitality is now £26,888 compared to £22,701 last year and £23,425 in 2019. The average salary in retail is now £29,310, it said, compared to £26,758 last year and £23,425 in 2019.
Economists said the staff shortages were due to factors connected to the pandemic, such as the furlough scheme, students studying from home and people having moved out of big cities, as well as Brexit.
Paul Dales, of Capital Economics, said Brexit and migration back to the European Union were helping drive staff shortages and increasing pay.
He added: “I think there is going to be some labour shortages and upward pressure [on wages] in those sectors that tend to employ a higher share of migrants from the EU - such as agriculture and hospitality.”
It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Because if this is indeed the case, you can certainly understand why the claims of others being selfish was a two way street when it came to the referendum. Not definitive for sure. But something to consider when looking to the impact of Brexit. The other side of the coin is that prices will rise because of increased wages But this is a good thing, right? As things stand. I mean that we are seeing people see an increase in wage. And I mean people who aren't (from looking to those figures) the high earners.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 14, 2021 12:57:28 GMT 1
An index linked pension and the Triple Lock keeps me in beer.
However, Sunak is on record to be wanting to drop the latter, but has been overruled by Boris, who realises where a fair % of his supporters are from, and remembers May's debacle where she planned to force pensioners to sell their homes to fund social care - her so-called 'dementia tax'.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2021 14:58:05 GMT 1
The other side of the coin is that prices will rise because of increased wages But this is a good thing, right? As things stand. I mean that we are seeing people see an increase in wage. And I mean people who aren't (from looking to those figures) the high earners. It only goes to show the absurdness of it all when nurses are offered a paltry 1% and that will be eaten up by the increase in prices elsewhere. That is not to forget the Brexit mantra that grubby foreigners are taking the Brits jobs and now we can't fill the vacant posts, as I said previously, at any cost no matter what the sainted Tim Martin says (but there again he is the sort of person who wouldn't offer higher wages anyway)
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 14, 2021 15:09:42 GMT 1
But this is a good thing, right? As things stand. I mean that we are seeing people see an increase in wage. And I mean people who aren't (from looking to those figures) the high earners. It only goes to show the absurdness of it all when nurses are offered a paltry 1% and that will be eaten up by the increase in prices elsewhere. That is not to forget the Brexit mantra that grubby foreigners are taking the Brits jobs and now we can't fill the vacant posts, as I said previously, at any cost no matter what the sainted Tim Martin says (but there again he is the sort of person who wouldn't offer higher wages anyway) Still not quite sure whether you consider this good news though, that we have many people who are now seeing an increase in their wage (and looking to those numbers, including those who are below or around the average wage). I thought this would be seen as a good thing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2021 15:14:22 GMT 1
It only goes to show the absurdness of it all when nurses are offered a paltry 1% and that will be eaten up by the increase in prices elsewhere. That is not to forget the Brexit mantra that grubby foreigners are taking the Brits jobs and now we can't fill the vacant posts, as I said previously, at any cost no matter what the sainted Tim Martin says (but there again he is the sort of person who wouldn't offer higher wages anyway) Still not quite sure whether you consider this good news though, that we have many people who are now seeing an increase in their wage (and looking to those numbers, including those who are below or around the average wage). I thought this would be seen as a good thing. Of course it is good news for those that benefit but as detailed by someone else above there are repercussions which means that is not totally good. It still doesn't alleviate the fact that there will be thousands of jobs left unfilled in the hospitality industry which would have been filled by those that are now forbidden.
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Post by tdk on Jun 14, 2021 15:23:09 GMT 1
Still not quite sure whether you consider this good news though, that we have many people who are now seeing an increase in their wage (and looking to those numbers, including those who are below or around the average wage). I thought this would be seen as a good thing. Of course it is good news for those that benefit but as detailed by someone else above there are repercussions which means that is not totally good. It still doesn't alleviate the fact that there will be thousands of jobs left unfilled in the hospitality industry which would have been filled by those that are now forbidden. Or another way of looking at it is that jobs are seeing their true value rather than being artificially suppressed by cheaper foreign labour? Good news for British workers, bad news for the rich and the multi-nationals?
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Post by servernaside on Jun 14, 2021 17:59:06 GMT 1
As with everything "Brexit" we need to make sure that we take into account the pandemic and the impact that is having on certain things rather than the UK leaving the EU (as in, we can not be sure what is having an impact on such things and to what degree). And of course it is still very much early days, we don't know the real true impact and we won't for some time. But that said, this for sure is something that should be kept an eye on... Brexit drives up wages by ending free movementStaff are enjoying significantly higher salaries as Brexit, the pandemic and the furlough scheme cut competition for jobs - in an early sign that leaving the EU is benefitting lower-skilled workers in the UK.
Data from recruitment firm Reed, first reported by The Sunday Times, has found that average salaries this year have risen by 18pc across hospitality and catering, 10pc in retail and 4pc overall.
According to Reed, the average salary in hospitality is now £26,888 compared to £22,701 last year and £23,425 in 2019. The average salary in retail is now £29,310, it said, compared to £26,758 last year and £23,425 in 2019.
Economists said the staff shortages were due to factors connected to the pandemic, such as the furlough scheme, students studying from home and people having moved out of big cities, as well as Brexit.
Paul Dales, of Capital Economics, said Brexit and migration back to the European Union were helping drive staff shortages and increasing pay.
He added: “I think there is going to be some labour shortages and upward pressure [on wages] in those sectors that tend to employ a higher share of migrants from the EU - such as agriculture and hospitality.”
It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Because if this is indeed the case, you can certainly understand why the claims of others being selfish was a two way street when it came to the referendum. Not definitive for sure. But something to consider when looking to the impact of Brexit. The other side of the coin is that prices will rise because of increased wages and it was only the other day that some prominent spokesperson for the hospitality industry was bemoaning the fact that they could not recruit enough people for LOVE nor MONEY. I assume therefore that you are advocating a cut in wages in order to keep prices down.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2021 19:16:41 GMT 1
The other side of the coin is that prices will rise because of increased wages and it was only the other day that some prominent spokesperson for the hospitality industry was bemoaning the fact that they could not recruit enough people for LOVE nor MONEY. I assume therefore that you are advocating a cut in wages in order to keep prices down. As you obviously are a Tory, rehiring at a lower salary has been a Tory policy since Thatcher. So I don't advocate it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2021 19:50:26 GMT 1
I assume therefore that you are advocating a cut in wages in order to keep prices down. As you obviously are a Tory, rehiring at a lower salary has been a Tory policy since Thatcher. So I don't advocate it. Wages going up…. You moan, wages going down you moan….. what do you want???😂😂😂
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2021 19:56:40 GMT 1
As you obviously are a Tory, rehiring at a lower salary has been a Tory policy since Thatcher. So I don't advocate it. Wages going up…. You moan, wages going down you moan….. what do you want???😂😂😂 Status quo
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2021 20:26:30 GMT 1
Wages going up…. You moan, wages going down you moan….. what do you want???😂😂😂 Status quo And unicorns?
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Post by venceremos on Jun 14, 2021 20:33:54 GMT 1
Of course it is good news for those that benefit but as detailed by someone else above there are repercussions which means that is not totally good. It still doesn't alleviate the fact that there will be thousands of jobs left unfilled in the hospitality industry which would have been filled by those that are now forbidden. Or another way of looking at it is that jobs are seeing their true value rather than being artificially suppressed by cheaper foreign labour? Good news for British workers, bad news for the rich and the multi-nationals? Why would it be bad news for the rich and multinationals? I doubt they'd be affected at all. Prices will increase, it's a question of how much effect the inevitable inflationary pressures will have. Those benefiting from higher wages might do well, those on fixed incomes (pensioners, those on universal credit etc) might not. And if inflation rises then, sooner or later, interest rates are likely to follow. Again, good news for some (those with significant savings) but not for others (mortgage holders and businesses with borrowings). Not that simple.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2021 20:54:24 GMT 1
That's the Brexit dream
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Post by neilsalop on Jun 15, 2021 6:15:16 GMT 1
As you obviously are a Tory, rehiring at a lower salary has been a Tory policy since Thatcher. So I don't advocate it. Wages going up…. You moan, wages going down you moan….. what do you want???😂😂😂 When the rises are equal across the board I will be happier. The rise in the minimum wage has helped out the lowest paid to a small degree, but more on that later, but the the biggest rises over the last decade have been reserved those in the top 2 or 3 percentiles. Directors, CEOs and senior managers have seen their pay rise by a far higher percentage than those in the lower and middle sections of society.
Osbourne said in 2015 that the minimum wage was going to be £9 an hour by 2020. We're half way through 2021 and it isn't. Why is that? He also said that was the target based on it being 2/3rds of median earnings. As pay rises over the last 10 years have stagnated the UK median wage is less than Osbourne had based his calculations on. Sunak is aiming for £10.50 by 2024, but again that is based on the 2/3rds ratio. If people in the lower and lower-middle sections are getting below inflation pay rises (nurses for example) the median wages will take longer to lift and the £10.50 target is going to be missed.
Funny how they like to base these things on the median wage, rather than the average wage which takes into account the top 2 or 3% of wage earners.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2021 6:54:44 GMT 1
Wages going up…. You moan, wages going down you moan….. what do you want???😂😂😂 When the rises are equal across the board I will be happier. The rise in the minimum wage has helped out the lowest paid to a small degree, but more on that later, but the the biggest rises over the last decade have been reserved those in the top 2 or 3 percentiles. Directors, CEOs and senior managers have seen their pay rise by a far higher percentage than those in the lower and middle sections of society.
Osbourne said in 2015 that the minimum wage was going to be £9 an hour by 2020. We're half way through 2021 and it isn't. Why is that? He also said that was the target based on it being 2/3rds of median earnings. As pay rises over the last 10 years have stagnated the UK median wage is less than Osbourne had based his calculations on. Sunak is aiming for £10.50 by 2024, but again that is based on the 2/3rds ratio. If people in the lower and lower-middle sections are getting below inflation pay rises (nurses for example) the median wages will take longer to lift and the £10.50 target is going to be missed.
Funny how they like to base these things on the median wage, rather than the average wage which takes into account the top 2 or 3% of wage earners.
While in the world, wages are going up…. Now well above NMW, but through demand rather than through legislation, which is a great effect of Brexit…. Much better to have demand make companies pay better wages than legislation don’t you think?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2021 6:54:48 GMT 1
Wages going up…. You moan, wages going down you moan….. what do you want???😂😂😂 When the rises are equal across the board I will be happier. The rise in the minimum wage has helped out the lowest paid to a small degree, but more on that later, but the the biggest rises over the last decade have been reserved those in the top 2 or 3 percentiles. Directors, CEOs and senior managers have seen their pay rise by a far higher percentage than those in the lower and middle sections of society.
Osbourne said in 2015 that the minimum wage was going to be £9 an hour by 2020. We're half way through 2021 and it isn't. Why is that? He also said that was the target based on it being 2/3rds of median earnings. As pay rises over the last 10 years have stagnated the UK median wage is less than Osbourne had based his calculations on. Sunak is aiming for £10.50 by 2024, but again that is based on the 2/3rds ratio. If people in the lower and lower-middle sections are getting below inflation pay rises (nurses for example) the median wages will take longer to lift and the £10.50 target is going to be missed.
Funny how they like to base these things on the median wage, rather than the average wage which takes into account the top 2 or 3% of wage earners.
While in the world, wages are going up…. Now well above NMW, but through demand rather than through legislation, which is a great effect of Brexit…. Much better to have demand make companies pay better wages than legislation don’t you think?
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Post by neilsalop on Jun 15, 2021 7:59:09 GMT 1
When the rises are equal across the board I will be happier. The rise in the minimum wage has helped out the lowest paid to a small degree, but more on that later, but the the biggest rises over the last decade have been reserved those in the top 2 or 3 percentiles. Directors, CEOs and senior managers have seen their pay rise by a far higher percentage than those in the lower and middle sections of society.
Osbourne said in 2015 that the minimum wage was going to be £9 an hour by 2020. We're half way through 2021 and it isn't. Why is that? He also said that was the target based on it being 2/3rds of median earnings. As pay rises over the last 10 years have stagnated the UK median wage is less than Osbourne had based his calculations on. Sunak is aiming for £10.50 by 2024, but again that is based on the 2/3rds ratio. If people in the lower and lower-middle sections are getting below inflation pay rises (nurses for example) the median wages will take longer to lift and the £10.50 target is going to be missed.
Funny how they like to base these things on the median wage, rather than the average wage which takes into account the top 2 or 3% of wage earners.
While in the world, wages are going up…. Now well above NMW, but through demand rather than through legislation, which is a great effect of Brexit…. Much better to have demand make companies pay better wages than legislation don’t you think? In an ideal world, yes, but many companies are still paying minimum wage and other companies are cutting other benefits to make their base wage look more attractive.
The last company I worked for used to pay 6 months full and 6 months half sick pay, but cut it down to 4 months full while I was still there. That's over 5 years ago, so I don't even know if it has dropped further. They also made it almost a crime to have any time off sick, with draconian trigger levels that hit one of my ex-supervisors who got a warning after being off to undergo cancer treatment.
The current fetish around at the moment is 'fire and re-hire' in companies like British Gas, where they offer you a pay rise on far worse conditions and with longer working hours. As I said the headline hourly rate looks okay, but look deeper and it isn't all moonlight and roses
Just to add that the CEO of Centrica, the company that owns BG is paid around £2.4m a year or over 70 times the amount of an employee in the lower quartile of the wage range. That is a 44% pay rise. This greed at the top is what is hurting the overall economy, not the need at the bottom.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2021 8:42:12 GMT 1
In an ideal world, yes, but many companies are still paying minimum wage and other companies are cutting other benefits to make their base wage look more attractive.
The last company I worked for used to pay 6 months full and 6 months half sick pay, but cut it down to 4 months full while I was still there. That's over 5 years ago, so I don't even know if it has dropped further. They also made it almost a crime to have any time off sick, with draconian trigger levels that hit one of my ex-supervisors who got a warning after being off to undergo cancer treatment.
The current fetish around at the moment is 'fire and re-hire' in companies like British Gas, where they offer you a pay rise on far worse conditions and with longer working hours. As I said the headline hourly rate looks okay, but look deeper and it isn't all moonlight and roses
Just to add that the CEO of Centrica, the company that owns BG is paid around £2.4m a year or over 70 times the amount of an employee in the lower quartile of the wage range. That is a 44% pay rise. This greed at the top is what is hurting the overall economy, not the need at the bottom.
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Who cares what others are earning, so what, they will earn what the shareholders think he is worth, same as what I earn is nobody else's business. And reality is with British Gas, is they are losing staff hand over fist, and it will equalise out far quicker than you may realise. I already know 3 that were re hired and have subsequently left and started own business or gone to work private. What happened 5 years ago has changed somewhat, and one of the best thing about Brexit is the power is now shifting to the employee, as the workforce will just vote with there feet, there are plenty of jobs going, the work is becoming better as the workforce are becoming happier. The hospitality sector is now the place to be, if you are a conscientious good worker you can almost name your own price. That has to be good don't you think.
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