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Post by davycrockett on Feb 26, 2021 13:44:55 GMT 1
Why do you assume that I am far left? I am a moderate left winger and believe in Democratic Socialism. I don't go demanding that the proletariat take control of the means of production, I don't want everything to owned and run by the state, I don't want communism either.
What I would like is a fairer distribution of wealth through higher wages, equal opportunities for everyone, decent education and healthcare for everyone regardless of wealth or position, a fair taxation system for everyone with no get out clauses for those that have the means to employ accountancy firms to avoid taxes, no homelessness, no hunger, a criminal justice system that treats everyone equally no matter their status, an end to racism, sexism, homophobia and finally a system of government that allows all of these things.
I have said on here numerous times that I would be happy to pay a higher tax rate to ensure that people were not sleeping and dying on the street and the NHS was fully funded if I thought that the very wealthy were also paying in their fair share, but the lack of any real action over the Panama and Paradise Papers (and numerous other tax avoidance schemes) tells us all that this will never be the case.
If that makes me a raging commie in your book then I'm sorry that your education was so lacking.
The Labour party under Corbyn did end up being unelectable, mainly due to the negative press he received from day one, but many of his policies were very similar to policies found in the Nordic countries and they generally have among the happiest population indexes on the planet.
I love it! Corbyn 'unelectable mainly due to the negative press'. Nothing to do with the fact he is an utter t**t and Marxist to boot. You obviously fell for it hook line and sinker, sort of proves a point.
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Post by servernaside on Feb 26, 2021 18:14:37 GMT 1
I love it! Corbyn 'unelectable mainly due to the negative press'. Nothing to do with the fact he is an utter t**t and Marxist to boot. You obviously fell for it hook line and sinker, sort of proves a point. What point? I know that Corbyn is a t**t and a Marxist from his statements and behaviour as a politician over many years. I don't need a newspaper to tell me the obvious. It seems that it's you who doesn't have a mind of his own and clearly thinks many others are the same.
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Post by neilsalop on Feb 26, 2021 18:41:52 GMT 1
You obviously fell for it hook line and sinker, sort of proves a point. What point? I know that Corbyn is a t**t and a Marxist from his statements and behaviour as a politician over many years. I don't need a newspaper to tell me the obvious. It seems that it's you who doesn't have a mind of his own and clearly thinks many others are the same. So voting against the Iraq war was a t**tish thing to do?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2021 10:11:36 GMT 1
What point? I know that Corbyn is a t**t and a Marxist from his statements and behaviour as a politician over many years. I don't need a newspaper to tell me the obvious. It seems that it's you who doesn't have a mind of his own and clearly thinks many others are the same. So voting against the Iraq war was a t**tish thing to do? Yes and fighting apartheid. What a t**t eh! And whilst we are on the subject and let’s be honest here, he has none of the qualities of a modern British leader, ya know, he’s not a known liar, or a bigot, he’s a family man rather than a misogynist with illegitimate kids everywhere. Personally I can’t see why anyone would vote for him?! Oh and this “Marxist” thing. Bearing in mind the vast majority of the uk population really have no idea what Marxism is or indeed was, this really is one of those phrases thrown round by simpletons to scare people, bit like shouting “the bogeyman” will get you when your kids won’t go to sleep at bed time. 👍
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 27, 2021 10:27:25 GMT 1
So voting against the Iraq war was a t**tish thing to do? this really is one of those phrases thrown round by simpletons to scare people, bit like shouting “the bogeyman” will get you when your kids won’t go to sleep at bed time. Yeah, exactly like those simpletons who throw the terms "racist" and "fascist" about too.
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Post by servernaside on Feb 27, 2021 10:42:14 GMT 1
So voting against the Iraq war was a t**tish thing to do? Yes and fighting apartheid. What a t**t eh! And whilst we are on the subject and let’s be honest here, he has none of the qualities of a modern British leader, ya know, he’s not a known liar, or a bigot, he’s a family man rather than a misogynist with illegitimate kids everywhere. Personally I can’t see why anyone would vote for him?! Oh and this “Marxist” thing. Bearing in mind the vast majority of the uk population really have no idea what Marxism is or indeed was, this really is one of those phrases thrown round by simpletons to scare people, bit like shouting “the bogeyman” will get you when your kids won’t go to sleep at bed time. 👍 There are none so blind.......etc. etc.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2021 10:48:29 GMT 1
Gosh I can hear rattling cages 😂
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 27, 2021 10:49:57 GMT 1
Gosh I can hear rattling cages 😂
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Post by northwestman on Feb 27, 2021 11:01:56 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Feb 27, 2021 11:06:34 GMT 1
www.bbc.co.uk/news/56201463Nearly two months after Great Britain (GB) left the EU single market and customs union, the volume of freight being shipped across the Irish Sea from the Republic of Ireland to GB is still down significantly, raising further questions about government claims that trading volumes are returning to normal. Companies trying to avoid red tape and potential delays associated with Brexit are sending freight on much longer sea routes directly to the continent, rather than using the traditional 'land bridge' route across Britain. The number of weekly ferry crossings from Irish ports to France has risen sharply, with more likely to be added. In the week to 22 February, freight volumes on Stena Line ferries from the Republic of Ireland to GB were down 49% compared to the same week last year, while volumes going directly to France were up 102%.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2021 11:21:22 GMT 1
Yes and fighting apartheid. What a t**t eh! And whilst we are on the subject and let’s be honest here, he has none of the qualities of a modern British leader, ya know, he’s not a known liar, or a bigot, he’s a family man rather than a misogynist with illegitimate kids everywhere. Personally I can’t see why anyone would vote for him?! Oh and this “Marxist” thing. Bearing in mind the vast majority of the uk population really have no idea what Marxism is or indeed was, this really is one of those phrases thrown round by simpletons to scare people, bit like shouting “the bogeyman” will get you when your kids won’t go to sleep at bed time. 👍 There are none so blind.......etc. etc. Perhaps you would care to define why you think Corbyn is a Marxist and a t**t
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Post by timgallon on Mar 1, 2021 15:15:09 GMT 1
this really is one of those phrases thrown round by simpletons to scare people, bit like shouting “the bogeyman” will get you when your kids won’t go to sleep at bed time. Yeah, exactly like those simpletons who throw the terms "racist" and "fascist" about too. I wonder who you mean Stutty? Does this woman remind you of anyone?
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Post by timgallon on Mar 1, 2021 15:26:01 GMT 1
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 1, 2021 15:43:57 GMT 1
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 1, 2021 16:52:14 GMT 1
Yeah, well our hairdressers opened up again today.
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Post by servernaside on Mar 1, 2021 17:39:36 GMT 1
Gosh I can hear rattling cages 😂 If the leader of the opposition appoints a self-confessed Marxist (John McDonnell) as his shadow chancellor, pray tell me what conclusions can be drawn?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 17:53:14 GMT 1
Gosh I can hear rattling cages 😂 If the leader of the opposition appoints a self-confessed Marxist (John McDonnell) as his shadow chancellor, pray tell me what conclusions can be drawn? About what?
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Post by servernaside on Mar 1, 2021 19:29:38 GMT 1
If the leader of the opposition appoints a self-confessed Marxist (John McDonnell) as his shadow chancellor, pray tell me what conclusions can be drawn? About what? Comrade Jezza being a Marxist. Please keep up.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 20:38:24 GMT 1
Comrade Jezza being a Marxist. Please keep up. Still waiting for you to define why you think Corbyn is a Marxist and a t**t !!!! A question I have already posed and, without recourse to the Daily Mail etc, I assume you cannot answer.
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Post by servernaside on Mar 1, 2021 22:24:20 GMT 1
Comrade Jezza being a Marxist. Please keep up. Still waiting for you to define why you think Corbyn is a Marxist and a t**t !!!! A question I have already posed and, without recourse to the Daily Mail etc, I assume you cannot answer. Frankly, I'm staggered that you could even ask that question about a man who led Labour to their worst electoral defeat in living memory. The list of his appalling words and actions throughout his career is excruciatingly long, so I have selected just a choice few in no particular order as follows; Refused to criticise Iraq's invasion of Kuwait in 1990 Refused to criticise the Soviet Union invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968 Invited IRA terrorsist for tea in the Houses of Parliament a few days after they had tried to blow up the British government in Brighton Appointed avowed communist Seamus Milne as his special advisor Appointed avowed marxist John Mcdonnell as shadow chancellor Laid a wreath on the graves of Palestinian terrorists in Tunisia Always voted against any restriction on mass immigration to this country Attended numerous IRA rallies where he often spoke and asked for silence to respect the IRA dead Said that it was better for the Falkland Islanders to live under an Argentine dictatorship rather than use force Refused to criticise Russia for the Salisbury poisonings Criticised the scale of remembrance services designed to commemorate the centenary of the ending of WWI I think that is enough for one night and I repeat what I said before - he is an utter t**t and marxist to boot. Fortunately he is now merely an historical t**t.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 23:57:41 GMT 1
Still waiting for you to define why you think Corbyn is a Marxist and a t**t !!!! A question I have already posed and, without recourse to the Daily Mail etc, I assume you cannot answer. Frankly, I'm staggered that you could even ask that question about a man who led Labour to their worst electoral defeat in living memory. The list of his appalling words and actions throughout his career is excruciatingly long, so I have selected just a choice few in no particular order as follows; Refused to criticise Iraq's invasion of Kuwait in 1990 Refused to criticise the Soviet Union invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968 Invited IRA terrorsist for tea in the Houses of Parliament a few days after they had tried to blow up the British government in Brighton Appointed avowed communist Seamus Milne as his special advisor Appointed avowed marxist John Mcdonnell as shadow chancellor Laid a wreath on the graves of Palestinian terrorists in Tunisia Always voted against any restriction on mass immigration to this country Attended numerous IRA rallies where he often spoke and asked for silence to respect the IRA dead Said that it was better for the Falkland Islanders to live under an Argentine dictatorship rather than use force Refused to criticise Russia for the Salisbury poisonings Criticised the scale of remembrance services designed to commemorate the centenary of the ending of WWI I think that is enough for one night and I repeat what I said before - he is an utter t**t and marxist to boot. Fortunately he is now merely an historical t**t. Apart from anything Corbyn has always been a pacifist which negates many of your examples and makes him neither a Marxist or a t**t. "Meeting jaw to jaw is better than war" is a quote by Churchill which by your reckoning makes him a Marxist/t**t. Specifically the IRA meetings;-"It’s well known that Corbyn met with Sinn Fein president Gerry Adams regularly at the height of the Troubles in the 1980s. This was considered controversial at the time, although there was nothing illegal in the meetings and Mr Corbyn consistently said he maintained links with Sinn Fein to work for a resolution to the armed conflict. It is now known that the British government maintained contact to the IRA leadership through a secret back channel for much of this period too". He was held in great respect by the late Ian Paisley and his widow for his efforts to bring about a peacable conclusion. Does that make him a t**t? "Corbyn laid a wreath in memory of the dozens of Palestinians and Tunisians, including civilians, killed by an Israeli air attack on the PLO headquarters in Tunisia on 1 October 1985, an act that was condemned at the time by the UN and Margaret Thatcher’s Conservative government". Need I go on negating your spurious claims about him being a Marxist/t**t
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Post by servernaside on Mar 2, 2021 10:52:25 GMT 1
Frankly, I'm staggered that you could even ask that question about a man who led Labour to their worst electoral defeat in living memory. The list of his appalling words and actions throughout his career is excruciatingly long, so I have selected just a choice few in no particular order as follows; Refused to criticise Iraq's invasion of Kuwait in 1990 Refused to criticise the Soviet Union invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968 Invited IRA terrorsist for tea in the Houses of Parliament a few days after they had tried to blow up the British government in Brighton Appointed avowed communist Seamus Milne as his special advisor Appointed avowed marxist John Mcdonnell as shadow chancellor Laid a wreath on the graves of Palestinian terrorists in Tunisia Always voted against any restriction on mass immigration to this country Attended numerous IRA rallies where he often spoke and asked for silence to respect the IRA dead Said that it was better for the Falkland Islanders to live under an Argentine dictatorship rather than use force Refused to criticise Russia for the Salisbury poisonings Criticised the scale of remembrance services designed to commemorate the centenary of the ending of WWI I think that is enough for one night and I repeat what I said before - he is an utter t**t and marxist to boot. Fortunately he is now merely an historical t**t. Apart from anything Corbyn has always been a pacifist which negates many of your examples and makes him neither a Marxist or a t**t. "Meeting jaw to jaw is better than war" is a quote by Churchill which by your reckoning makes him a Marxist/t**t. Specifically the IRA meetings;-"It’s well known that Corbyn met with Sinn Fein president Gerry Adams regularly at the height of the Troubles in the 1980s. This was considered controversial at the time, although there was nothing illegal in the meetings and Mr Corbyn consistently said he maintained links with Sinn Fein to work for a resolution to the armed conflict. It is now known that the British government maintained contact to the IRA leadership through a secret back channel for much of this period too". He was held in great respect by the late Ian Paisley and his widow for his efforts to bring about a peacable conclusion. Does that make him a t**t? "Corbyn laid a wreath in memory of the dozens of Palestinians and Tunisians, including civilians, killed by an Israeli air attack on the PLO headquarters in Tunisia on 1 October 1985, an act that was condemned at the time by the UN and Margaret Thatcher’s Conservative government". Need I go on negating your spurious claims about him being a Marxist/t**t Perhaps you should try running that pacifist nonsense past the labour voters who found his actions so distasteful. I believe the expression by labour activists in the 2019 election was that JC is 'toxic on the doorstep'. Unsurprisingly then that labour got wiped out in many hitherto 'safe seats'. When electing a PM, the majority of people in this country want someone to stand up for them , someone patriotic and not some toady who sucks up to any terrorist organisation around the world. JC was and is, fundamentally anti-British in everything he says and does. Flying the 'pacifist' banner does not hide that fact. Ask your fellow Labour voters. As I said before, he is an utter t**t.
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 2, 2021 11:03:49 GMT 1
You can't change a closed mind.
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Post by Mr Cornflakes on Mar 2, 2021 11:17:28 GMT 1
You can't change a closed mind. But you can change your underpants.
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 2, 2021 11:34:17 GMT 1
You can't change a closed mind. But you can change your underpants. That's what I like about this board, years ago most of the posters would have been housed in secure accomodation. Now we are free to put about barmy ideas from our own homes, while our own carers supervise us.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 2, 2021 11:59:56 GMT 1
Another one that I'm sure those who voted to leave will enjoy (maybe behind a paywall though)... For Germans, Britain is now the grown-up
Credit where credit is due of course with the vaccine rollout but still a long way to go. Of course I absolutely want to see the UK come out of lockdown as planned with no major problems, avoiding an increase in cases, another wave etc. but I'll save my "envy" for when that does actually come about. I'm way too cautious in my outlook to think anything around this pandemic is a given. By the by, rumours abound that we are also to see the AstraZeneca given the OK for over 65's here too. France did so today. Only issue now of course is if we do, is getting people in to take it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 12:33:26 GMT 1
Apart from anything Corbyn has always been a pacifist which negates many of your examples and makes him neither a Marxist or a t**t. "Meeting jaw to jaw is better than war" is a quote by Churchill which by your reckoning makes him a Marxist/t**t. Specifically the IRA meetings;-"It’s well known that Corbyn met with Sinn Fein president Gerry Adams regularly at the height of the Troubles in the 1980s. This was considered controversial at the time, although there was nothing illegal in the meetings and Mr Corbyn consistently said he maintained links with Sinn Fein to work for a resolution to the armed conflict. It is now known that the British government maintained contact to the IRA leadership through a secret back channel for much of this period too". He was held in great respect by the late Ian Paisley and his widow for his efforts to bring about a peacable conclusion. Does that make him a t**t? "Corbyn laid a wreath in memory of the dozens of Palestinians and Tunisians, including civilians, killed by an Israeli air attack on the PLO headquarters in Tunisia on 1 October 1985, an act that was condemned at the time by the UN and Margaret Thatcher’s Conservative government". Need I go on negating your spurious claims about him being a Marxist/t**t Perhaps you should try running that pacifist nonsense past the labour voters who found his actions so distasteful. I believe the expression by labour activists in the 2019 election was that JC is 'toxic on the doorstep'. Unsurprisingly then that labour got wiped out in many hitherto 'safe seats'. When electing a PM, the majority of people in this country want someone to stand up for them , someone patriotic and not some toady who sucks up to any terrorist organisation around the world. JC was and is, fundamentally anti-British in everything he says and does. Flying the 'pacifist' banner does not hide that fact. Ask your fellow Labour voters. As I said before, he is an utter t**t. "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel." Samuel Johnson Obviously writing with foresight about his almost namesake.
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Post by servernaside on Mar 2, 2021 12:43:38 GMT 1
Perhaps you should try running that pacifist nonsense past the labour voters who found his actions so distasteful. I believe the expression by labour activists in the 2019 election was that JC is 'toxic on the doorstep'. Unsurprisingly then that labour got wiped out in many hitherto 'safe seats'. When electing a PM, the majority of people in this country want someone to stand up for them , someone patriotic and not some toady who sucks up to any terrorist organisation around the world. JC was and is, fundamentally anti-British in everything he says and does. Flying the 'pacifist' banner does not hide that fact. Ask your fellow Labour voters. As I said before, he is an utter t**t. "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel." Samuel Johnson Obviously writing with foresight about his almost namesake. Fortunately his views...and yours, represent a tiny minority.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 13:00:16 GMT 1
"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel." Samuel Johnson Obviously writing with foresight about his almost namesake. Fortunately his views...and yours, represent a tiny minority. Yep the tiny minority of 56.4% of those that voted in 2019 who didn't vote for Johnson.
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