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Post by neilsalop on Feb 25, 2021 15:00:30 GMT 1
I quoted your post in full, so how did I remove any explanation?
I am happy to admit that the government have got the vaccine rollout very right and the NHS are doing a fabulous job of getting people vaccinated.
Are you ever going to be prepared to admit that the amount of Covid deaths in the UK is in any way down to poor government decisions or are you going to constantly blame other factors?
The fact that we are an island should have given us at least some protection, but incompetence from the government and selfishness from certain sections of the population have caused among the worst death rates in the world. The government allowing those sections of the population to spread the virus through allowing Cheltenham Festival to go ahead, allowing football matches to be played in front of 50,000 fans some of whom came from Spain, one of the early European hotspots, letting people travel in from around the world, Italy especially, in the early weeks of the pandemic have all contributed to our horrendous death toll.
Failing to get the correct PPE to hospitals and care homes in a timely fashion exacerbated a bad start to our response. Eat Out to Help Out may have given a few businesses a boost, but a smaller discount on opening up and spreading the rush over 7 days instead of just 3 days would have been just as beneficial, if not moreso. On that point I see that Sunak is likely to renew EOTHO once we restart again, which would be even more stupid than the first incarnation.
I have never said that everything the government did was wrong and even some of things they did get wrong were due to trying to do the right thing and even I can accept that. Can you at least accept that over 130,000 deaths is a bad thing and the government have to take at least some of the blame?
you may have quoted my whole explanation but you ignored the explanation, and then you said, to answer your other question....but didnt, you waffled on about sci fi and you are using cheltenham again in hindsight, on here one person questioned cheltenham and got shot down, you certainly were not shouting about cancelling anything or locking down everything, lets say covid fizzled out early march, every time cheltnham came round you'd be saying remember when the gov needlessly cancelled it maybe we should all have locked ourselves in a darkened room ? blueandamber.proboards.com/thread/59405/swine-flu-footballcome back when you've actually made a valid warning before it happened and not 12 months after But I did answer your question. I said 'To answer your other question, we'll never know'.
As I pointed out yesterday on this very thread I think (it may have been on another forum I visit, so apologies if I'm wrong) around 400-500,000 people died of swine flu, my own daughter was actually quite ill with it but no-one else in the house got it. I was probably a bit blasé about getting it myself and in hindsight that could have proved to be a costly mistake. I haven't been the slightest bit blasé about getting this virus.
To be honest I would much rather the government over reacted instead of having 130,000 people dying. I'm not saying that the government could have prevented every one of those deaths, because that would be ridiculous, but even if we had a similar death rate per million as Germany or France it would be better than what we currently are seeing.
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Post by neilsalop on Feb 25, 2021 15:01:15 GMT 1
Pilch and Neilsalop I can’t believe your lovers tiff is still going 😉 It makes him feel relevant when people talk to him. Bless.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 25, 2021 15:31:47 GMT 1
you may have quoted my whole explanation but you ignored the explanation, and then you said, to answer your other question....but didnt, you waffled on about sci fi and you are using cheltenham again in hindsight, on here one person questioned cheltenham and got shot down, you certainly were not shouting about cancelling anything or locking down everything, lets say covid fizzled out early march, every time cheltnham came round you'd be saying remember when the gov needlessly cancelled it maybe we should all have locked ourselves in a darkened room ? blueandamber.proboards.com/thread/59405/swine-flu-footballcome back when you've actually made a valid warning before it happened and not 12 months after But I did answer your question. I said 'To answer your other question, we'll never know'.
As I pointed out yesterday on this very thread I think (it may have been on another forum I visit, so apologies if I'm wrong) around 400-500,000 people died of swine flu, my own daughter was actually quite ill with it but no-one else in the house got it. I was probably a bit blasé about getting it myself and in hindsight that could have proved to be a costly mistake. I haven't been the slightest bit blasé about getting this virus.
To be honest I would much rather the government over reacted instead of having 130,000 people dying. I'm not saying that the government could have prevented every one of those deaths, because that would be ridiculous, but even if we had a similar death rate per million as Germany or France it would be better than what we currently are seeing.
but the whole point is 130,000 may turn out to be less that it could have been, perhaps maybe under a different gov it may have been 250,000, i mean under the last government they actually went out of their way to kill innocent people so who knows if 130k is a good effort or bad failure, the fact you are here acting like a scoreboard means nothing yet i watched england bowl out india this morning for 145 runs, not good stats that for india, turns out it was great
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Post by neilsalop on Feb 25, 2021 15:53:44 GMT 1
But I did answer your question. I said 'To answer your other question, we'll never know'.
As I pointed out yesterday on this very thread I think (it may have been on another forum I visit, so apologies if I'm wrong) around 400-500,000 people died of swine flu, my own daughter was actually quite ill with it but no-one else in the house got it. I was probably a bit blasé about getting it myself and in hindsight that could have proved to be a costly mistake. I haven't been the slightest bit blasé about getting this virus.
To be honest I would much rather the government over reacted instead of having 130,000 people dying. I'm not saying that the government could have prevented every one of those deaths, because that would be ridiculous, but even if we had a similar death rate per million as Germany or France it would be better than what we currently are seeing.
but the whole point is 130,000 may turn out to be less that it could have been, perhaps maybe under a different gov it may have been 250,000, i mean under the last government they actually went out of their way to kill innocent people so who knows if 130k is a good effort or bad failure, the fact you are here acting like a scoreboard means nothing yet i watched england bowl out india this morning for 145 runs, not good stats that for india, turns out it was great If this was any other government I would still be calling them out. Inadequacy is not a party political issue. It may well have been under 80,000 under a different government, who knows?
I assume that talking about the Iraq war, which I have made perfectly clear that I was against and so for balance was a certain Mr Corbyn, but I suspect you already knew that.
It might be news to you, but the cuts made during the last ten + years of austerity have been responsible for a great many deaths too, some estimates put it at over 100,000, so if we're going to bring a government decision from 18 years ago in to play you're going to have to accept that the Tories have been responsible for a lot of unnecessary deaths too.
You claimed earlier that I was bringing science fiction into the argument and then a random cricketing analogy into the discussion. Strange double standards you have there.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 25, 2021 16:10:04 GMT 1
but the whole point is 130,000 may turn out to be less that it could have been, perhaps maybe under a different gov it may have been 250,000, i mean under the last government they actually went out of their way to kill innocent people so who knows if 130k is a good effort or bad failure, the fact you are here acting like a scoreboard means nothing yet i watched england bowl out india this morning for 145 runs, not good stats that for india, turns out it was great
You claimed earlier that I was bringing science fiction into the argument and then a random cricketing analogy into the discussion. Strange double standards you have there.
Howzat!!
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 25, 2021 16:23:29 GMT 1
but the whole point is 130,000 may turn out to be less that it could have been, perhaps maybe under a different gov it may have been 250,000, i mean under the last government they actually went out of their way to kill innocent people so who knows if 130k is a good effort or bad failure, the fact you are here acting like a scoreboard means nothing yet i watched england bowl out india this morning for 145 runs, not good stats that for india, turns out it was great If this was any other government I would still be calling them out. Inadequacy is not a party political issue. It may well have been under 80,000 under a different government, who knows?
I assume that talking about the Iraq war, which I have made perfectly clear that I was against and so for balance was a certain Mr Corbyn, but I suspect you already knew that.
It might be news to you, but the cuts made during the last ten + years of austerity have been responsible for a great many deaths too, some estimates put it at over 100,000, so if we're going to bring a government decision from 18 years ago in to play you're going to have to accept that the Tories have been responsible for a lot of unnecessary deaths too.
You claimed earlier that I was bringing science fiction into the argument and then a random cricketing analogy into the discussion. Strange double standards you have there.
You don't half go on and on and on. - You hate Tories - You hate anyone centre of far left - Your true colours normally shine through as the debate heats up. ZZZZZZZ
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Post by neilsalop on Feb 25, 2021 16:34:57 GMT 1
If this was any other government I would still be calling them out. Inadequacy is not a party political issue. It may well have been under 80,000 under a different government, who knows?
I assume that talking about the Iraq war, which I have made perfectly clear that I was against and so for balance was a certain Mr Corbyn, but I suspect you already knew that.
It might be news to you, but the cuts made during the last ten + years of austerity have been responsible for a great many deaths too, some estimates put it at over 100,000, so if we're going to bring a government decision from 18 years ago in to play you're going to have to accept that the Tories have been responsible for a lot of unnecessary deaths too.
You claimed earlier that I was bringing science fiction into the argument and then a random cricketing analogy into the discussion. Strange double standards you have there.
You don't half go on and on and on. - You hate Tories - You hate anyone centre of far left - Your true colours normally shine through as the debate heats up. ZZZZZZZ Thanks for your valuable and insightful contribution, now run along and let the grown-ups talk.
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 25, 2021 16:38:11 GMT 1
You don't half go on and on and on. - You hate Tories - You hate anyone centre of far left - Your true colours normally shine through as the debate heats up. ZZZZZZZ Thanks for your valuable and insightful contribution, now run along and let the grown-ups talk. Problem is you're far from grown up. If Labour were in charge and did exact the same as the Tories, it would be the previous Tory government fault for XY & Z. There's no reasoned debate with you, you absolutely detest anyone who isn't far left. I'm centre leaning right, I can appreciate valid points and ideas from those to the left of my on the spectrum.
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Post by neilsalop on Feb 25, 2021 17:16:52 GMT 1
Thanks for your valuable and insightful contribution, now run along and let the grown-ups talk. Problem is you're far from grown up. If Labour were in charge and did exact the same as the Tories, it would be the previous Tory government fault for XY & Z. There's no reasoned debate with you, you absolutely detest anyone who isn't far left. I'm centre leaning right, I can appreciate valid points and ideas from those to the left of my on the spectrum. How many years have the Tory party being blaming Labour for the Global Financial Crisis for? If you want to play this game you had better get some aloe, because your burns are going to be a lot worse than any you can inflict on me.
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Post by servernaside on Feb 25, 2021 18:25:31 GMT 1
The problem with the left-wing socialists who inhabit these pages is that they fail to understand that their political beliefs are consistently out of step with the majority of their fellow citizens. The party they support (sometimes) has been serially unelectable for decades, so they criticise everything a conservative government does - usually with little, or no justification. Four years hence, another conservative government will be elected and they will continue to vent their spleen in the online fanzine of a third tier, provincial football club.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Feb 25, 2021 18:31:55 GMT 1
The problem with the left-wing socialists who inhabit these pages is that they fail to understand that their political beliefs are consistently out of step with the majority of their fellow citizens. The party they support (sometimes) has been serially unelectable for decades, so they criticise everything a conservative government does - usually with little, or no justification. Four years hence, another conservative government will be elected and they will continue to vent their spleen in the online fanzine of a third tier, provincial football club. Partisan politics occurs on both sides, the idea of blindly defending everything a party does just because you voted for them is equally as baffling as criticising everything just because you didn’t.
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Post by DiglisShrew on Feb 25, 2021 18:39:30 GMT 1
Pilch and Neilsalop I can’t believe your lovers tiff is still going 😉 Can I suggest that it’s time for a new Board on here entitled : “Pilch’s Spats with (insert name here) re (insert topic here) “ It would certainly shorten some of the threads on the regular board and give us a better idea of which threads we can ignore !! As I say - just a suggestion!, 🙄😉
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Post by armchairfan on Feb 25, 2021 18:47:37 GMT 1
You don't half go on and on and on. - You hate Tories - You hate anyone centre of far left - Your true colours normally shine through as the debate heats up. ZZZZZZZ Thanks for your valuable and insightful contribution, now run along and let the grown-ups talk. What ho Neil... is this a private argument or can ANY "grown-up" contribute? Do I qualify? 🤣🤣
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Post by Pilch on Feb 25, 2021 18:52:37 GMT 1
Pilch and Neilsalop I can’t believe your lovers tiff is still going 😉 Can I suggest that it’s time for a new Board on here entitled : “Pilch’s Spats with (insert name here) re (insert topic here) “ It would certainly shorten some of the threads on the regular board and give us a better idea of which threads we can ignore !! As I say - just a suggestion!, 🙄😉 good idea, i'll rename this thread 'Neil- remain confirmation bias ;-)
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 25, 2021 19:14:38 GMT 1
Thanks for your valuable and insightful contribution, now run along and let the grown-ups talk. What ho Neil... is this a private argument or can ANY "grown-up" contribute? Do I qualify? 🤣🤣 Never admit defeat and classify yourself as a "grown up". Do daft things. Never stop learning. Indulge yourself.
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Post by armchairfan on Feb 25, 2021 19:39:51 GMT 1
What ho Neil... is this a private argument or can ANY "grown-up" contribute? Do I qualify? 🤣🤣 Never admit defeat and classify yourself as a "grown up". Do daft things. Never stop learning. Indulge yourself. The same advice as " don't let the bu66rs get you down....! 😂😂
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Post by neilsalop on Feb 25, 2021 20:06:34 GMT 1
The problem with the left-wing socialists who inhabit these pages is that they fail to understand that their political beliefs are consistently out of step with the majority of their fellow citizens. The party they support (sometimes) has been serially unelectable for decades, so they criticise everything a conservative government does - usually with little, or no justification. Four years hence, another conservative government will be elected and they will continue to vent their spleen in the online fanzine of a third tier, provincial football club. Why do you assume that I am far left? I am a moderate left winger and believe in Democratic Socialism. I don't go demanding that the proletariat take control of the means of production, I don't want everything to owned and run by the state, I don't want communism either.
What I would like is a fairer distribution of wealth through higher wages, equal opportunities for everyone, decent education and healthcare for everyone regardless of wealth or position, a fair taxation system for everyone with no get out clauses for those that have the means to employ accountancy firms to avoid taxes, no homelessness, no hunger, a criminal justice system that treats everyone equally no matter their status, an end to racism, sexism, homophobia and finally a system of government that allows all of these things.
I have said on here numerous times that I would be happy to pay a higher tax rate to ensure that people were not sleeping and dying on the street and the NHS was fully funded if I thought that the very wealthy were also paying in their fair share, but the lack of any real action over the Panama and Paradise Papers (and numerous other tax avoidance schemes) tells us all that this will never be the case.
If that makes me a raging commie in your book then I'm sorry that your education was so lacking.
The Labour party under Corbyn did end up being unelectable, mainly due to the negative press he received from day one, but many of his policies were very similar to policies found in the Nordic countries and they generally have among the happiest population indexes on the planet.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 25, 2021 22:45:03 GMT 1
The problem with the left-wing socialists who inhabit these pages is that they fail to understand that their political beliefs are consistently out of step with the majority of their fellow citizens. The party they support (sometimes) has been serially unelectable for decades, so they criticise everything a conservative government does - usually with little, or no justification. Four years hence, another conservative government will be elected and they will continue to vent their spleen in the online fanzine of a third tier, provincial football club. Why do you assume that I am far left? I am a moderate left winger and believe in Democratic Socialism. I don't go demanding that the proletariat take control of the means of production, I don't want everything to owned and run by the state, I don't want communism either.
What I would like is a fairer distribution of wealth through higher wages, equal opportunities for everyone, decent education and healthcare for everyone regardless of wealth or position, a fair taxation system for everyone with no get out clauses for those that have the means to employ accountancy firms to avoid taxes, no homelessness, no hunger, a criminal justice system that treats everyone equally no matter their status, an end to racism, sexism, homophobia and finally a system of government that allows all of these things.
I have said on here numerous times that I would be happy to pay a higher tax rate to ensure that people were not sleeping and dying on the street and the NHS was fully funded if I thought that the very wealthy were also paying in their fair share, but the lack of any real action over the Panama and Paradise Papers (and numerous other tax avoidance schemes) tells us all that this will never be the case.
If that makes me a raging commie in your book then I'm sorry that your education was so lacking.
The Labour party under Corbyn did end up being unelectable, mainly due to the negative press he received from day one, but many of his policies were very similar to policies found in the Nordic countries and they generally have among the happiest population indexes on the planet.
how do you think i feel when i get labelled a tory lover etc, i mean i've never voted tory in my life, i despised thatcher, i do like boris in the same way as youve said you do on this very board, but dont you think as a brexiteer with a interest in seeing how boris does at PM and 'lets get brexit done' brainwashing , if i was ever inclined to vote tory i might just have done so at the last election, but didnt, in fact i've stayed off politics thread almost throughtout the existance of this board, its only out of boredom that im on this one really, as for left wing , right wing, every time i need to use that phrase i have to look up to see which is which, i personally think our current MP is the biggest ive ever met, also had at spat or 2 with Kathleen Owen a few years ago, when she tried telling me how to do my job, i asked her how she thought the 2 or 3 letters a month with vague meole villiage address's on found there way to her letterbox, and i gave her a few tips on how to do her job better too. ;-) and dont get me started on the deep shag pile fitted carpet in their garage either , which i probably paid for so no im not a tory fan im rather stand against them myself than vote for them
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 25, 2021 23:54:00 GMT 1
Why do you assume that I am far left? I am a moderate left winger and believe in Democratic Socialism. I don't go demanding that the proletariat take control of the means of production, I don't want everything to owned and run by the state, I don't want communism either.
What I would like is a fairer distribution of wealth through higher wages, equal opportunities for everyone, decent education and healthcare for everyone regardless of wealth or position, a fair taxation system for everyone with no get out clauses for those that have the means to employ accountancy firms to avoid taxes, no homelessness, no hunger, a criminal justice system that treats everyone equally no matter their status, an end to racism, sexism, homophobia and finally a system of government that allows all of these things.
I have said on here numerous times that I would be happy to pay a higher tax rate to ensure that people were not sleeping and dying on the street and the NHS was fully funded if I thought that the very wealthy were also paying in their fair share, but the lack of any real action over the Panama and Paradise Papers (and numerous other tax avoidance schemes) tells us all that this will never be the case. If that makes me a raging commie in your book then I'm sorry that your education was so lacking. The Labour party under Corbyn did end up being unelectable, mainly due to the negative press he received from day one, but many of his policies were very similar to policies found in the Nordic countries and they generally have among the happiest population indexes on the planet.
how do you think i feel when i get labelled a tory lover etc, i mean i've never voted tory in my life, i despised thatcher, i do like boris in the same way as youve said you do on this very board, but dont you think as a brexiteer with a interest in seeing how boris does at PM and 'lets get brexit done' brainwashing , if i was ever inclined to vote tory i might just have done so at the last election, but didnt, in fact i've stayed off politics thread almost throughtout the existance of this board, its only out of boredom that im on this one really, as for left wing , right wing, every time i need to use that phrase i have to look up to see which is which, i personally think our current MP is the biggest ive ever met, also had at spat or 2 with Kathleen Owen a few years ago, when she tried telling me how to do my job, i asked her how she thought the 2 or 3 letters a month with vague meole villiage address's on found there way to her letterbox, and i gave her a few tips on how to do her job better too. ;-) and dont get me started on the deep shag pile fitted carpet in their garage either , which i probably paid for so no im not a tory fan im rather stand against them myself than vote for them Now who's mentioning Th^tch*r. I think you said she was something along the lines of ancient history. For a non Tory, you are the best ally they could hope for.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 26, 2021 0:07:10 GMT 1
how do you think i feel when i get labelled a tory lover etc, i mean i've never voted tory in my life, i despised thatcher, i do like boris in the same way as youve said you do on this very board, but dont you think as a brexiteer with a interest in seeing how boris does at PM and 'lets get brexit done' brainwashing , if i was ever inclined to vote tory i might just have done so at the last election, but didnt, in fact i've stayed off politics thread almost throughtout the existance of this board, its only out of boredom that im on this one really, as for left wing , right wing, every time i need to use that phrase i have to look up to see which is which, i personally think our current MP is the biggest ive ever met, also had at spat or 2 with Kathleen Owen a few years ago, when she tried telling me how to do my job, i asked her how she thought the 2 or 3 letters a month with vague meole villiage address's on found there way to her letterbox, and i gave her a few tips on how to do her job better too. ;-) and dont get me started on the deep shag pile fitted carpet in their garage either , which i probably paid for so no im not a tory fan im rather stand against them myself than vote for them Now who's mentioning Th^tch*r. I think you said she was something along the lines of ancient history. For a non Tory, you are the best ally they could hope for. dont judge me, i was on about a medievil roofer , even Neil would have noticed i didnt use a capital T
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Post by neilsalop on Feb 26, 2021 8:42:47 GMT 1
Why do you assume that I am far left? I am a moderate left winger and believe in Democratic Socialism. I don't go demanding that the proletariat take control of the means of production, I don't want everything to owned and run by the state, I don't want communism either.
What I would like is a fairer distribution of wealth through higher wages, equal opportunities for everyone, decent education and healthcare for everyone regardless of wealth or position, a fair taxation system for everyone with no get out clauses for those that have the means to employ accountancy firms to avoid taxes, no homelessness, no hunger, a criminal justice system that treats everyone equally no matter their status, an end to racism, sexism, homophobia and finally a system of government that allows all of these things.
I have said on here numerous times that I would be happy to pay a higher tax rate to ensure that people were not sleeping and dying on the street and the NHS was fully funded if I thought that the very wealthy were also paying in their fair share, but the lack of any real action over the Panama and Paradise Papers (and numerous other tax avoidance schemes) tells us all that this will never be the case.
If that makes me a raging commie in your book then I'm sorry that your education was so lacking.
The Labour party under Corbyn did end up being unelectable, mainly due to the negative press he received from day one, but many of his policies were very similar to policies found in the Nordic countries and they generally have among the happiest population indexes on the planet.
how do you think i feel when i get labelled a tory lover etc, i mean i've never voted tory in my life, i despised thatcher, i do like boris in the same way as youve said you do on this very board, but dont you think as a brexiteer with a interest in seeing how boris does at PM and 'lets get brexit done' brainwashing , if i was ever inclined to vote tory i might just have done so at the last election, but didnt, in fact i've stayed off politics thread almost throughtout the existance of this board, its only out of boredom that im on this one really, as for left wing , right wing, every time i need to use that phrase i have to look up to see which is which, i personally think our current MP is the biggest ive ever met, also had at spat or 2 with Kathleen Owen a few years ago, when she tried telling me how to do my job, i asked her how she thought the 2 or 3 letters a month with vague meole villiage address's on found there way to her letterbox, and i gave her a few tips on how to do her job better too. ;-) and dont get me started on the deep shag pile fitted carpet in their garage either , which i probably paid for so no im not a tory fan im rather stand against them myself than vote for them If you didn't spend half your time on this thread defending the government and criticising every other party there would be no question of your political allegiances. However on this thread and the Covid one you have almost exclusively praised the Tories and when questioned you have more often than not doubled down and attacked the Labour party.
At least we can agree on the Right Honourable Member for Riyadh being a , but I think you need to expand your boundaries and have a look at Lucy Allan, because she is pushing him for title of most sycophantic MP in Parliament.
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Post by shrewder on Feb 26, 2021 8:49:27 GMT 1
Pilch and Neilsalop I can’t believe your lovers tiff is still going 😉 Can I suggest that it’s time for a new Board on here entitled : “Pilch’s Spats with (insert name here) re (insert topic here) “ It would certainly shorten some of the threads on the regular board and give us a better idea of which threads we can ignore !! As I say - just a suggestion!, 🙄😉 Agree. I look at the title Shrewsbury Town message board and yet most of what's on here has no relevance to Shrewsbury Town. Feel the board needs a rethink.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 26, 2021 9:54:31 GMT 1
how do you think i feel when i get labelled a tory lover etc, i mean i've never voted tory in my life, i despised thatcher, i do like boris in the same way as youve said you do on this very board, but dont you think as a brexiteer with a interest in seeing how boris does at PM and 'lets get brexit done' brainwashing , if i was ever inclined to vote tory i might just have done so at the last election, but didnt, in fact i've stayed off politics thread almost throughtout the existance of this board, its only out of boredom that im on this one really, as for left wing , right wing, every time i need to use that phrase i have to look up to see which is which, i personally think our current MP is the biggest ive ever met, also had at spat or 2 with Kathleen Owen a few years ago, when she tried telling me how to do my job, i asked her how she thought the 2 or 3 letters a month with vague meole villiage address's on found there way to her letterbox, and i gave her a few tips on how to do her job better too. ;-) and dont get me started on the deep shag pile fitted carpet in their garage either , which i probably paid for so no im not a tory fan im rather stand against them myself than vote for them If you didn't spend half your time on this thread defending the government and criticising every other party there would be no question of your political allegiances. However on this thread and the Covid one you have almost exclusively praised the Tories and when questioned you have more often than not doubled down and attacked the Labour party.
At least we can agree on the Right Honourable Member for Riyadh being a , but I think you need to expand your boundaries and have a look at Lucy Allan, because she is pushing him for title of most sycophantic MP in Parliament.
I’ve defended my own views on the eu and not that of the governments , and last time I voted labour the bloke I voted for got a transfer to the liberals , and as for Blair , are you suggesting I don’t mention the war ?
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Post by Pilch on Feb 26, 2021 9:59:08 GMT 1
Can I suggest that it’s time for a new Board on here entitled : “Pilch’s Spats with (insert name here) re (insert topic here) “ It would certainly shorten some of the threads on the regular board and give us a better idea of which threads we can ignore !! As I say - just a suggestion!, 🙄😉 Agree. I look at the title Shrewsbury Town message board and yet most of what's on here has no relevance to Shrewsbury Town. Feel the board needs a rethink. B&A Shrewsbury Town Messageboard Discuss everything STFC and other general topics here . Not all subjects are to everyones liking, if you find certain topics boring then please just ignore them. O/T Brexit Agreement which bit of that are you not understanding ?
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Post by shrewder on Feb 26, 2021 10:02:40 GMT 1
Agree. I look at the title Shrewsbury Town message board and yet most of what's on here has no relevance to Shrewsbury Town. Feel the board needs a rethink. B&A Shrewsbury Town Messageboard Discuss everything STFC and other general topics here . Not all subjects are to everyones liking, if you find certain topics boring then please just ignore them. O/T Brexit Agreement which bit of that are you not understanding ? It's a shame posters can't make suggestions without having them immediately dismissed. Not very democratic. Still so be it.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 26, 2021 10:13:46 GMT 1
B&A Shrewsbury Town Messageboard Discuss everything STFC and other general topics here . Not all subjects are to everyones liking, if you find certain topics boring then please just ignore them. O/T Brexit Agreement which bit of that are you not understanding ? It's a shame posters can't make suggestions without having them immediately dismissed. Not very democratic. Still so be it. its a shame certain posters like yourself have grudges and never miss an opportunity to have a pop at the likes of myself even if its hypocritical heres the last 9 threads you started US Capital Stormed Oxford Vaccine Approved!!! Boris Johnson Contact tracing Boris OT The Duke of Edinburgh Dave Edwards? O/T Your oldest coat hanger O/T Geriant Thomas
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Post by mattmw on Feb 26, 2021 10:15:12 GMT 1
I’ve always enjoyed the none football related chat on here and find it quite easy to see where a topic is “off topic” so avoid those I’m not interested in, but try to steer away from getting too involved with discussions with individuals as it might bog the board down a bit.
With things going so well on the pitch at the moment we need other topics to have a good moan about!
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Post by shrewder on Feb 26, 2021 10:16:59 GMT 1
It's a shame posters can't make suggestions without having them immediately dismissed. Not very democratic. Still so be it. its a shame certain posters like yourself have grudges and never miss an opportunity to have a pop at the likes of myself even if its hypocritical heres the last 9 threads you started US Capital Stormed Oxford Vaccine Approved!!! Boris Johnson Contact tracing Boris OT The Duke of Edinburgh Dave Edwards? O/T Your oldest coat hanger O/T Geriant Thomas Look I was not having a pop at you. I was just making a suggestion, do not have a grudge. Calm down and just listen to people. Thank you.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 26, 2021 11:33:52 GMT 1
vaccine latest per 100 UK 27 germany 6 italy 6 spain 6 france 5 and belgiums new super 5000 a day vaccine centre is up and running and averging 200 jabs a day, in the hour the bbc filmed there, 1 person turned up, bit of a disaster wherever that is So you have those people in the population who are reluctant to get vaccinated anyway (no matter what the vaccine). So just reading in the papers just now that... Germany has a large anti-vaxxer movement and a recent poll found 34 per cent of its citizens do not want to take any vaccine against the Covid.I think that number maybe even higher in France. Anyhow, how we ae going to tackle that I'm not sure and what impact it may have we will have to wait and see.
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Post by servernaside on Feb 26, 2021 13:35:04 GMT 1
The problem with the left-wing socialists who inhabit these pages is that they fail to understand that their political beliefs are consistently out of step with the majority of their fellow citizens. The party they support (sometimes) has been serially unelectable for decades, so they criticise everything a conservative government does - usually with little, or no justification. Four years hence, another conservative government will be elected and they will continue to vent their spleen in the online fanzine of a third tier, provincial football club. Why do you assume that I am far left? I am a moderate left winger and believe in Democratic Socialism. I don't go demanding that the proletariat take control of the means of production, I don't want everything to owned and run by the state, I don't want communism either.
What I would like is a fairer distribution of wealth through higher wages, equal opportunities for everyone, decent education and healthcare for everyone regardless of wealth or position, a fair taxation system for everyone with no get out clauses for those that have the means to employ accountancy firms to avoid taxes, no homelessness, no hunger, a criminal justice system that treats everyone equally no matter their status, an end to racism, sexism, homophobia and finally a system of government that allows all of these things.
I have said on here numerous times that I would be happy to pay a higher tax rate to ensure that people were not sleeping and dying on the street and the NHS was fully funded if I thought that the very wealthy were also paying in their fair share, but the lack of any real action over the Panama and Paradise Papers (and numerous other tax avoidance schemes) tells us all that this will never be the case.
If that makes me a raging commie in your book then I'm sorry that your education was so lacking.
The Labour party under Corbyn did end up being unelectable, mainly due to the negative press he received from day one, but many of his policies were very similar to policies found in the Nordic countries and they generally have among the happiest population indexes on the planet.
I love it! Corbyn 'unelectable mainly due to the negative press'. Nothing to do with the fact he is an utter t**t and Marxist to boot.
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