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Post by salop27 on Jul 16, 2019 9:18:07 GMT 1
First time I've heard the 80 million Turks rumour! Really glad I voted to leave now😉
Being serious we all know what the EUs master plan is and realistically how long was our veto going to hold up for? The EU tolerate the UKs lukewarm opinion of further integration as they need our money.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 10:16:19 GMT 1
First time I've heard the 80 million Turks rumour! Really glad I voted to leave now😉 Being serious we all know what the EUs master plan is and realistically how long was our veto going to hold up for? The EU tolerate the UKs lukewarm opinion of further integration as they need our money. You really were not paying attention were you or you were blinkered (the latter more than likely) |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 11:13:42 GMT 1
Being serious we all know what the EUs master plan is. Yep, stopping tax evasion/avoidance, workers rights and welfare, and environmental controls! Damn those nasty bureaucrats!! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 11:17:23 GMT 1
Being serious we all know what the EUs master plan is. Yep, stopping tax evasion/avoidance, workers rights and welfare, and environmental controls! Damn those nasty bureaucrats!! Don’t forget stopping the pie of pie consumption. |
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Post by highlandshrew on Jul 16, 2019 13:05:56 GMT 1
Being serious we all know what the EUs master plan is . . . Being serious I've no idea what 'the EUs master plan is' - please enlighten me. |
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Post by venceremos on Jul 16, 2019 13:27:57 GMT 1
we all know what the EUs master plan is and realistically how long was our veto going to hold up for? The EU tolerate the UKs lukewarm opinion of further integration as they need our money. This is the sort of nonsense that's got us into this mess. "The EU's master plan", do me a favour! The EU is a collective of independent nations with different views and objectives. The notion that there's some sort of United States of Europe master plan to which everyone but the UK is signed up is as daft and unbelievable as the sort of bendy bananas nonsense stories that did so much to distort too many gullible people's perceptions of Europe and the EU. |
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Post by salop27 on Jul 16, 2019 15:22:46 GMT 1
Currently there are a number of countries waiting to join the EU, possibly seven.
Albania are one and they've already received about £1 billion from the EU to help to prepare to join.
People have legitimate worries about a new wave of low skilled EU immigration but as per normal any such concerns would be met by calls of being racist or as being overblown, the bendy banana nonsense....
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 16, 2019 17:06:24 GMT 1
Currently there are a number of countries waiting to join the EU, possibly seven. Albania are one and they've already received about £1 billion from the EU to help to prepare to join. People have legitimate worries about a new wave of low skilled EU immigration but as per normal any such concerns would be met by calls of being racist or as being overblown, the bendy banana nonsense.... Are you up for building a wall? When our employers, farmers, etc. want cheap labour they will still get bodies from somewhere. People smugglers will still smuggle, migrants will still come here on "holiday" and overstay, we will still be expected to take our share of those seeking asylum. People always find a way round. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 17:08:27 GMT 1
You? An overblown racist? Why I’ve never heard such nonsense in all my life! Damn the fellow who speaks such shallow slurs! Why one only needs to read your plethora of even handed, humble and insightful posts to know that such a claim be nothing more than vicious cruelty against your good name. Damn them sir, damn them to hell!!! 👍 |
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 16, 2019 17:26:37 GMT 1
You? An overblown racist? Why I’ve never heard such nonsense in all my life! Damn the fellow who speaks such shallow slurs! Why one only needs to read your plethora of even handed, humble and insightful posts to know that such a claim be nothing more than vicious cruelty against your good name. Damn them sir, damn them to hell!!! 👍 The more people like yourself dismiss other people's genuine concerns, the stronger their concerns will become. Salop27 raises a valid point that millions will have concerns about. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 18:35:21 GMT 1
You? An overblown racist? Why I’ve never heard such nonsense in all my life! Damn the fellow who speaks such shallow slurs! Why one only needs to read your plethora of even handed, humble and insightful posts to know that such a claim be nothing more than vicious cruelty against your good name. Damn them sir, damn them to hell!!! 👍 The more people like yourself dismiss other people's genuine concerns, the stronger their concerns will become. Salop27 raises a valid point that millions will have concerns about. Dismiss? What do you mean? Nobody could take such concerns more seriously than I, for I to fear the sound of a million jack booted Romanians marching up the A49 and invading our tiny village. I see the likes of you martin and your comrade Salop27 as our saviours. Help me martinshrew, you’re our only hope!! |
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Post by salop27 on Jul 16, 2019 21:19:35 GMT 1
Currently there are a number of countries waiting to join the EU, possibly seven. Albania are one and they've already received about £1 billion from the EU to help to prepare to join. People have legitimate worries about a new wave of low skilled EU immigration but as per normal any such concerns would be met by calls of being racist or as being overblown, the bendy banana nonsense.... Are you up for building a wall? When our employers, farmers, etc. want cheap labour they will still get bodies from somewhere. People smugglers will still smuggle, migrants will still come here on "holiday" and overstay, we will still be expected to take our share of those seeking asylum. People always find a way round. Labour for farmers will be available through seasonal immigration I've read. I'd like to see the government ensure farmers met a quota to employ local people/students before allowing overseas help. |
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Post by venceremos on Jul 16, 2019 23:42:06 GMT 1
Are you up for building a wall? When our employers, farmers, etc. want cheap labour they will still get bodies from somewhere. People smugglers will still smuggle, migrants will still come here on "holiday" and overstay, we will still be expected to take our share of those seeking asylum. People always find a way round. Labour for farmers will be available through seasonal immigration I've read. I'd like to see the government ensure farmers met a quota to employ local people/students before allowing overseas help. State imposed employment quotas for the Agri sector? From a Tory? Oh my, the world really has turned upside down. You’ll want five year plans next.  |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 17, 2019 0:04:26 GMT 1
Are you up for building a wall? When our employers, farmers, etc. want cheap labour they will still get bodies from somewhere. People smugglers will still smuggle, migrants will still come here on "holiday" and overstay, we will still be expected to take our share of those seeking asylum. People always find a way round. Labour for farmers will be available through seasonal immigration I've read. I'd like to see the government ensure farmers met a quota to employ local people/students before allowing overseas help. Remind me, what are the benefits of giving up on a club that major European Countries like France and Germany think it worthwhile to be a member of? |
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Post by shrewinjapan on Jul 17, 2019 0:47:08 GMT 1
Labour for farmers will be available through seasonal immigration I've read. I'd like to see the government ensure farmers met a quota to employ local people/students before allowing overseas help. Remind me, what are the benefits of giving up on a club that major European Countries like France and Germany think it worthwhile to be a member of? Haven't you been listening for the past few years (although admittedly the mantra has become somewhat silent of late)? The benefits are that we are going to "take back control our borders, laws and money" and become some kind of swashbuckling "international trade buccaneers" with "sunlit uplands" of prime unicorn grazing pasture. Details to be filled in later. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 5:38:55 GMT 1
Are you up for building a wall? When our employers, farmers, etc. want cheap labour they will still get bodies from somewhere. People smugglers will still smuggle, migrants will still come here on "holiday" and overstay, we will still be expected to take our share of those seeking asylum. People always find a way round. Labour for farmers will be available through seasonal immigration I've read. I'd like to see the government ensure farmers met a quota to employ local people/students before allowing overseas help. And what if the farmers are unable to meet their quota, because local people/students don't want to work in fields? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 7:26:08 GMT 1
People have legitimate worries about a new wave of low skilled EU immigration but as per normal any such concerns would be met by calls of being racist or as being overblown, the bendy banana nonsense.... Where do you think all the seasonal labour, care staff, hotel staff, cleaners and general unskilled workers for poor quality jobs will come from when we crash out? Do you really think that Europeans will want to come to a country where they're not wanted? The thought of living four to a caravan getting minimum wage on a farm in Lincolnshire in the depths of winter certainly wouldn't be my first choice. So who is going to do it? Locals? Not a chance, most British people think that they're above jobs like that and when there is virtually zero chance of career progression or job security why would they want to do it? Maybe in the summer break between college and uni, but long term, not a chance.
So that means that we'll have to look outside Europe for these positions which (and I've pointed this out on numerous occasions on this thread alone) means people from Africa, the middle and far east or the Caribbean and judging by the way this country has treated the Windrush generation it is hardly guaranteed a huge uptake from the West Indies. Which leaves us Africa and Asia, now I am 100% sure that replacing people from white, Christian countries with similar standards of behavior to our own with people from black, brown and oriental cultures with contrasting religious and ethical beliefs will cause a lot more trouble from the right wing in this country.
Now I'm not saying that you are a racist, as I'm sure you don't consider yourself to be one, but you have to admit that the likes of the poundshop Moseley (aka Tommy Ten Names), the right wing yellow vests of Goddard and certainly Golding and Fransens lot over at Britain First are racist and that their social media presence makes them a serious threat. And that is just the extreme right, throw in Farage, Rees Mogg, etc, the rise of the right and far right in the USA under Trump and the deal he'll force us to accept and the threat to the social fabric of the country becomes very real.
Maybe it will all will turn out great and everything will go along swimmingly, and I sincerely hope I'm wrong on the above points and that you can come back in 5 years and say I told you so, but it's more likely to be me saying that to you.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 17, 2019 10:16:52 GMT 1
Labour for farmers will be available through seasonal immigration I've read. I'd like to see the government ensure farmers met a quota to employ local people/students before allowing overseas help. And what if the farmers are unable to meet their quota, because local people/students don't want to work in fields? Compulsory National Service of course. The old reactionary members of the Conservative Party are in charge now. 16 to 30 year olds experiences without the advantages taken for granted in the EU are going to be severely curtailed. |
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Jul 17, 2019 10:19:13 GMT 1
Are you up for building a wall? When our employers, farmers, etc. want cheap labour they will still get bodies from somewhere. People smugglers will still smuggle, migrants will still come here on "holiday" and overstay, we will still be expected to take our share of those seeking asylum. People always find a way round. Labour for farmers will be available through seasonal immigration I've read. I'd like to see the government ensure farmers met a quota to employ local people/students before allowing overseas help. As someone in my mid 20's I don't know a single person my age that has worked a summer job picking fruit, the fact is students do not want to do that kind of work anymore, whether you agree with that line of thinking is another matter but I think anyone expecting students to fill the quota of low skilled migrant work will be severely disappointed. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 11:05:12 GMT 1
Farage getting slated for describing Ursula von der Leyen's election to new EU Commission President as scr@ping in by 9 votes and having no legitimacy. She was elected by a margin of roughly 52% to 48%  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 11:18:40 GMT 1
16 to 30 year olds experiences without the advantages taken for granted in the EU are going to be severely curtailed. We need our chimney sweeping if you know any urchins that could shoe up our chimney for us?? |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 17, 2019 11:27:57 GMT 1
16 to 30 year olds experiences without the advantages taken for granted in the EU are going to be severely curtailed. We need our chimney sweeping if you know any urchins that could shoe up our chimney for us?? Urchins procured, but one rule, no kiddy fiddling. Your 'umble servant, only too 'appy to oblige. It's good to look forward to having those old Etonian traditions, like fagging, filter down in some way to us lower class oicks. |
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Post by northwestman on Jul 17, 2019 11:42:31 GMT 1
85% of UK graduates now get either a 1st or a 2.1 thanks to rampant grade inflation.
Can't see them wanting to live in a caravan on minimum wage picking fruit.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 17, 2019 11:53:36 GMT 1
85% of UK graduates now get either a 1st or a 2.1 thanks to rampant grade inflation. Can't see them wanting to live in a caravan on minimum wage picking fruit. In my day you were lucky to have a cardboard box to live in and a handful of table scr@ps thrown in. A caravan? Minimum wage? Bloody luxury. |
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Post by northwestman on Jul 17, 2019 12:21:08 GMT 1
85% of UK graduates now get either a 1st or a 2.1 thanks to rampant grade inflation. Can't see them wanting to live in a caravan on minimum wage picking fruit. In my day you were lucky to have a cardboard box to live in and a handful of table scr@ps thrown in. A caravan? Minimum wage? Bloody luxury. You were obviously working with 2 other Yorkshire men! |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 17, 2019 12:42:25 GMT 1
You? An overblown racist? Why I’ve never heard such nonsense in all my life! Damn the fellow who speaks such shallow slurs! Why one only needs to read your plethora of even handed, humble and insightful posts to know that such a claim be nothing more than vicious cruelty against your good name. Damn them sir, damn them to hell!!! 👍 The more people like yourself dismiss other people's genuine concerns, the stronger their concerns will become. Salop27 raises a valid point that millions will have concerns about. Its all good.  Its such attitudes, shared by many within this new new Labour, that have seen many of the working class looking elsewhere for their representation (and who can blame them). I mean when I dip into this thread its a constant reminder as to why so many have been turned off by Labour and certain sections of the 'left', whether that is set to continue now Labour are officially a remain party remains to be seen of course; but it'll be interesting how that may further impact on their support. 👍 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 13:04:07 GMT 1
The more people like yourself dismiss other people's genuine concerns, the stronger their concerns will become. Salop27 raises a valid point that millions will have concerns about. Its all good. Its such attitudes, shared by many within this new new Labour, that have seen many of the working class looking elsewhere for their representation (and who can blame them). I mean when I dip into this thread its a constant reminder as to why so many have been turned off by Labour and certain sections of the 'left', whether that is set to continue now Labour are officially a remain party remains to be seen of course; but it'll be interesting how that may further impact on their support. 👍 Is that your view or that of your friends and family living here? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 13:06:02 GMT 1
Stutty aimlessly wonders once again into making class based statements about labours support when the actual only reliable broad voting indicator now is age.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 17, 2019 13:25:42 GMT 1
Well lets just see what comes about at the next election when it comes about. It'll be interesting to see what happens. But clearly many people believe this will have an impact on who will look to vote Labour in the coming years. And that includes those within Labour itself. I mean it's not rocket science is it... Labour: party of the middle class |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 13:32:44 GMT 1
Well lets just see what comes about at the next election when it comes about. It'll be interesting to see what happens. But clearly many people believe this will have an impact on who will look to vote Labour in the coming years. And that includes those within Labour itself. I mean it's not rocket science is it... Labour: party of the middle classWhat's not rocket science stutty? I'm sure many working class voters will decide at the general election to vote Conservative. As they have done for numerous years now. Come the next GE though I'm sure many 'interesting' things will happen. |
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Its such attitudes, shared by many within this new new Labour, that have seen many of the working class looking elsewhere for their representation (and who can blame them).