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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 17:52:57 GMT 1
Glad you think it's funny sat in Germany. If you had an ounce of self-awareness you'd realise that at least one contributor to this thread has already felt the effects of Brexit.  Yes, nicko. Because my life and that of my family here in Germany is in no way whatsoever impacted by all this. Not one bit. Nor that of my family and friends in the UK. You keep pushing this line and frankly I find it embarrassing. Not entirely sure you have bothered with the withdrawal agreement but there is a section in that that touches on citizens rights, and that very much has an impact on me. As our situation is to change quite dramatically come what may, deal or no deal. And what comes after is still very much all up in the air, all to be decided. I am very much aware. I think its blatantly obvious that I was referring to the exchanges on here. I haven't pushed any line. I frankly don't give a t0ss. I just find 'embarrassing' that you find the exchanges on this topic amusing and that it has clearly effected at least one contributor. Which, is blatantly obvious, that is what I was referring to. |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 12, 2019 18:09:29 GMT 1
Yes, nicko. Because my life and that of my family here in Germany is in no way whatsoever impacted by all this. Not one bit. Nor that of my family and friends in the UK. You keep pushing this line and frankly I find it embarrassing. Not entirely sure you have bothered with the withdrawal agreement but there is a section in that that touches on citizens rights, and that very much has an impact on me. As our situation is to change quite dramatically come what may, deal or no deal. And what comes after is still very much all up in the air, all to be decided. I am very much aware. I think its blatantly obvious that I was referring to the exchanges on here. I haven't pushed any line. I frankly don't give a t0ss. I just find 'embarrassing' that you find the exchanges on this topic amusing and that it has clearly effected at least one contributor. Which, is blatantly obvious, that is what I was referring to. So you didn't see a need to point out that I am in Germany? And I'm pretty sure its not the first time you have seen a need to either or? As if I am neither impacted or care as to what is going on in the UK. Its nonsense. I am. Very much so. And there are exchanges on here that I do find amusing for the sheer hypocrisy on display. It doesn't mean I have no thought or empathy for those who have impacted by Brexit. I may find myself in the very same boat. And if you don't give a toss then why bother replying, just give my posts a swerve. Its easily done. Rather than looking to take baseless cheap shots. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 18:19:35 GMT 1
I haven't pushed any line. I frankly don't give a t0ss. I just find 'embarrassing' that you find the exchanges on this topic amusing and that it has clearly effected at least one contributor. Which, is blatantly obvious, that is what I was referring to. So you didn't see a need to point out that I am in Germany? And I'm pretty sure its not the first time you have seen a need to either or? As if I am neither impacted or care as to what is going on in the UK. Its nonsense. I am. Very much so. And there are exchanges on here that I do find amusing for the sheer hypocrisy on display. It doesn't mean I have no thought or empathy for those who have impacted by Brexit. I may find myself in the very same boat. And if you don't give a toss then why bother replying, just give my posts a swerve. Its easily done. Rather than looking to take baseless cheap shots. As oppose to the cheap shots at laughing at thread that has already effected one contributor. Hypocrisy indeed. |
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Post by salop27 on Jul 12, 2019 18:20:54 GMT 1
Common sense and optimism. Also known as "wishful thinking". Call it what you like, it's certainly a better attitude then most seem to have on heređ |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 12, 2019 18:25:38 GMT 1
So you didn't see a need to point out that I am in Germany? And I'm pretty sure its not the first time you have seen a need to either or? As if I am neither impacted or care as to what is going on in the UK. Its nonsense. I am. Very much so. And there are exchanges on here that I do find amusing for the sheer hypocrisy on display. It doesn't mean I have no thought or empathy for those who have impacted by Brexit. I may find myself in the very same boat. And if you don't give a toss then why bother replying, just give my posts a swerve. Its easily done. Rather than looking to take baseless cheap shots. As oppose to the cheap shots at laughing at thread that has already effected one contributor. Hypocrisy indeed. I am laughing at specific contributions to this thread. Not about anyone who has had their life impacted as a result of Brexit. I think it is perfectly possible and acceptable to differentiate between the two on a message board where all aspects of Brexit are discussed. Cheap, cheap shot. I thought you were better than this. And you persist with it.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 19:12:50 GMT 1
As oppose to the cheap shots at laughing at thread that has already effected one contributor. Hypocrisy indeed. I am laughing at specific contributions to this thread. Not about anyone who has had their life impacted as a result of Brexit. I think it is perfectly possible and acceptable to differentiate between the two on a message board where all aspects of Brexit are discussed. Cheap, cheap shot. I thought you were better than this. And you persist with it. Seeing as you insist on persisting. Which contributions did you feel 'kept on giving'? |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 12, 2019 20:09:14 GMT 1
I am laughing at specific contributions to this thread. Not about anyone who has had their life impacted as a result of Brexit. I think it is perfectly possible and acceptable to differentiate between the two on a message board where all aspects of Brexit are discussed. Cheap, cheap shot. I thought you were better than this. And you persist with it. Seeing as you insist on persisting. Which contributions did you feel 'kept on giving'? Wouldn't need to reply at all if you'd not seen the need... Anyhow, to answer your question; those that are clearly defined by whatever side of the argument they are on. It really doesn't matter what is said or added to this thread, its pretty clear that people on both sides of the fence are only intereted in what they want to hear, they are only willing to believe and accept that which supports their own view. And that they will agree with others opinions which are just that, opinions. Yet they will dimiss others opinions because they are based on that, just opinions. Willing to believe from one source, not from another. They just want to hear what they want hear and will simply dimiss anything that goes against that view. The bias (and blindness it creates) on show here is something I find funny. And there is plenty of it about. As perfectly illitstrated by your need to flag up my post for some poor effort at some cheap shot.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 23:21:27 GMT 1
Seeing as you insist on persisting. Which contributions did you feel 'kept on giving'? Wouldn't need to reply at all if you'd not seen the need... Anyhow, to answer your question; those that are clearly defined by whatever side of the argument they are on. It really doesn't matter what is said or added to this thread, its pretty clear that people on both sides of the fence are only intereted in what they want to hear, they are only willing to believe and accept that which supports their own view. And that they will agree with others opinions which are just that, opinions. Yet they will dimiss others opinions because they are based on that, just opinions. Willing to believe from one source, not from another. They just want to hear what they want hear and will simply dimiss anything that goes against that view. The bias (and blindness it creates) on show here is something I find funny. And there is plenty of it about. As perfectly illitstrated by your need to flag up my post for some poor effort at some cheap shot. You've decided to poke fun at people who are passionate about a seismic change to our country. Nicko has called you out on this mockery yet apparently he's the one spreading "cheap shots" . |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 13, 2019 6:43:02 GMT 1
Wouldn't need to reply at all if you'd not seen the need... Anyhow, to answer your question; those that are clearly defined by whatever side of the argument they are on. It really doesn't matter what is said or added to this thread, its pretty clear that people on both sides of the fence are only intereted in what they want to hear, they are only willing to believe and accept that which supports their own view. And that they will agree with others opinions which are just that, opinions. Yet they will dimiss others opinions because they are based on that, just opinions. Willing to believe from one source, not from another. They just want to hear what they want hear and will simply dimiss anything that goes against that view. The bias (and blindness it creates) on show here is something I find funny. And there is plenty of it about. As perfectly illitstrated by your need to flag up my post for some poor effort at some cheap shot. You've decided to poke fun at people who are passionate about a seismic change to our country. Nicko has called you out on this mockery yet apparently he's the one spreading "cheap shots" . Well if it is to mock I won't have been the first and I doubt I'll be the last to do so on this tread now would I vincent? And passion is one thing. A clear lack of reason is quite another. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2019 7:37:43 GMT 1
Seeing as you insist on persisting. Which contributions did you feel 'kept on giving'? Wouldn't need to reply at all if you'd not seen the need... Anyhow, to answer your question; those that are clearly defined by whatever side of the argument they are on. It really doesn't matter what is said or added to this thread, its pretty clear that people on both sides of the fence are only intereted in what they want to hear, they are only willing to believe and accept that which supports their own view. And that they will agree with others opinions which are just that, opinions. Yet they will dimiss others opinions because they are based on that, just opinions. Willing to believe from one source, not from another. They just want to hear what they want hear and will simply dimiss anything that goes against that view. The bias (and blindness it creates) on show here is something I find funny. And there is plenty of it about. As perfectly illitstrated by your need to flag up my post for some poor effort at some cheap shot. Well, on the one hand we have somebody claiming that optimism will see us through and on the other somebody who may know what they're talking about. We have claim and counter-claim, and different styles of articulation, that is what debate is about. There have been some excellent contributions on the thread, yet "it's a gift that keeps giving" Take your own advice and give it a swerve. And, you know, I didn't make a cheap shot. Where you live is important. The WA makes clear that immigrants will be allowed to stay in their chosen country. You may have to go through an administrative process to stay, but that depends on local conditions. At the moment I assume all is good with you. Meanwhile here, now, people's lives are being affected by this. |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 13, 2019 7:51:34 GMT 1
Wouldn't need to reply at all if you'd not seen the need... Anyhow, to answer your question; those that are clearly defined by whatever side of the argument they are on. It really doesn't matter what is said or added to this thread, its pretty clear that people on both sides of the fence are only intereted in what they want to hear, they are only willing to believe and accept that which supports their own view. And that they will agree with others opinions which are just that, opinions. Yet they will dimiss others opinions because they are based on that, just opinions. Willing to believe from one source, not from another. They just want to hear what they want hear and will simply dimiss anything that goes against that view. The bias (and blindness it creates) on show here is something I find funny. And there is plenty of it about. As perfectly illitstrated by your need to flag up my post for some poor effort at some cheap shot. Well, on the one hand we have somebody claiming that optimism will see us through and on the other somebody who may know what they're talking about. We have claim and counter-claim, and different styles of articulation, that is what debate is about. There have been some excellent contributions on the thread, yet "it's a gift that keeps giving" Take your own advice and give it a swerve. And, you know, I didn't make a cheap shot. Where you live is important. The WA makes clear that immigrants will be allowed to stay in their chosen country. You may have to go through an administrative process to stay, but that depends on local conditions. At the moment I assume all is good with you. Meanwhile here, now, people's lives are being affected by this. There is some good stuff on this thread. There is some not so good stuff on this thread. And why would I give it a swerve when I enjoy its content. Yes, the WA does state that. But the WA only comes to effect as and when it is agreed by both the EU and UK. That has not yet happened. If we leave with no deal then we will have to wait and see. Which is very much the case for a great many things related to Brexit. And peoples lives have been affected by this a long time past, I have every sympathy for those who will be impacted by Brexit but I have just as much sympathy for those who have stated their lives have been impacted by the UK's EU membership (those for example who have stated their hourly pay has been suppressed because of it). One does not carry more weight than the other for me. I see and appreciate both sides of this. |
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Post by northwestman on Jul 13, 2019 13:22:36 GMT 1
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jul 13, 2019 17:49:36 GMT 1
prior to Brxit i had a very low opinion of most politicians,( i feel sorry for the few who are geniune) what i hve seen is MP's of all parties behaving like six years olds.it has highilghted how broken the current system is.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 13, 2019 23:00:08 GMT 1
No need for Article 50 to be revoked for a cross party committee. When Parliament took control of business, to sort out brexit, they achieved nothing. A no deal brexit would obviously be extremely bad for some businesses. You'd hope the government and Bank of England would do as much as possible to negate this. The 31st of October needs to be kept to as the uncertainty is causing just as much trouble. If the new PM sticks to his guns on a no deal then I'd be very surprised if some kind of agreement wasn't signed off on allowing the implementation period to kick in. Probably at about 11:30pm on the 31st. But if not we jump? What a ridiculous way to proceed. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 13, 2019 23:24:04 GMT 1
Been a lurker on these forums for a while, reading both sides of the argument. I voted leave in 2016 (didn't really have an interest in politics and mainly copied my parents political choices because I thought they knew what was best.) I still like to consider myself a swing voter but I can't for the life of me understand why people are still so intent on causing economic damage by wanting to leave? The only reason I see posted again and again is that the 17.4 million voted to leave three years ago and that we should honour that result no matter what the consequences. As one of the 17.4 million I can quite plainly say I didn't expect my daily life to change at all if we voted to leave but find it hard to dispute the economic evidence that I have essentially voted to make myself poorer (especially with a no deal brexit). I have no great affinity for the EU but with the recent events with the US ambassador it's obvious to me that if we left we'd go from being a key world player to america's little brother. For what it's worth I think a second referendum is the only way out of this mess, in which I'd obviously vote remain. Just my two cents, sorry for the paragraphs and up the salop! Now that's what I call commonsense. I can't see why the Leave inclined won't accept another referendum (with the Remain) option is a good way to settle this as they must be confident they could win it based on recent election results. Go on, you know it makes sense, so much more so than chanting this "we must honour the result of the referendum" claptrap. For the Tories, in particular, blindly following the result of a referendum that didn't have the options on the ballot paper means the Tories set themselves up to take all the blame if leaving makes us worse off. They will take the blame because whatever way of leaving the Tories force upon us, or the option to Remain if voters do not like any of the options, will not have been agreed by the electorate. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 13, 2019 23:58:30 GMT 1
Hasn't even started yet, there will be another 99 pages of "I told you so's" whatever happens. |
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Post by Valerioch on Jul 14, 2019 7:51:54 GMT 1
Been a lurker on these forums for a while, reading both sides of the argument. I voted leave in 2016 (didn't really have an interest in politics and mainly copied my parents political choices because I thought they knew what was best.) I still like to consider myself a swing voter but I can't for the life of me understand why people are still so intent on causing economic damage by wanting to leave? The only reason I see posted again and again is that the 17.4 million voted to leave three years ago and that we should honour that result no matter what the consequences. As one of the 17.4 million I can quite plainly say I didn't expect my daily life to change at all if we voted to leave but find it hard to dispute the economic evidence that I have essentially voted to make myself poorer (especially with a no deal brexit). I have no great affinity for the EU but with the recent events with the US ambassador it's obvious to me that if we left we'd go from being a key world player to america's little brother. For what it's worth I think a second referendum is the only way out of this mess, in which I'd obviously vote remain. Just my two cents, sorry for the paragraphs and up the salop! Now that's what I call commonsense. I can't see why the Leave inclined won't accept another referendum (with the Remain) option is a good way to settle this as they must be confident they could win it based on recent election results. Go on, you know it makes sense, so much more so than chanting this "we must honour the result of the referendum" claptrap. For the Tories, in particular, blindly following the result of a referendum that didn't have the options on the ballot paper means the Tories set themselves up to take all the blame if leaving makes us worse off. They will take the blame because whatever way of leaving the Tories force upon us, or the option to Remain if voters do not like any of the options, will not have been agreed by the electorate. So deluded itâs unreal. As if another Leave vote would end this debate. Youâd all cry you want best of 5. Similarly if you think a Remain vote would end this debate, youâd have a nasty shock incoming |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2019 9:33:05 GMT 1
Now that's what I call commonsense. I can't see why the Leave inclined won't accept another referendum (with the Remain) option is a good way to settle this as they must be confident they could win it based on recent election results. Go on, you know it makes sense, so much more so than chanting this "we must honour the result of the referendum" claptrap. For the Tories, in particular, blindly following the result of a referendum that didn't have the options on the ballot paper means the Tories set themselves up to take all the blame if leaving makes us worse off. They will take the blame because whatever way of leaving the Tories force upon us, or the option to Remain if voters do not like any of the options, will not have been agreed by the electorate. So deluded itâs unreal. As if another Leave vote would end this debate. Youâd all cry you want best of 5. Similarly if you think a Remain vote would end this debate, youâd have a nasty shock incoming Ooooohh scary! đą |
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Post by mattmw on Jul 14, 2019 10:05:33 GMT 1
Now that's what I call commonsense. I can't see why the Leave inclined won't accept another referendum (with the Remain) option is a good way to settle this as they must be confident they could win it based on recent election results. Go on, you know it makes sense, so much more so than chanting this "we must honour the result of the referendum" claptrap. For the Tories, in particular, blindly following the result of a referendum that didn't have the options on the ballot paper means the Tories set themselves up to take all the blame if leaving makes us worse off. They will take the blame because whatever way of leaving the Tories force upon us, or the option to Remain if voters do not like any of the options, will not have been agreed by the electorate. So deluded itâs unreal. As if another Leave vote would end this debate. Youâd all cry you want best of 5. Similarly if you think a Remain vote would end this debate, youâd have a nasty shock incoming The flip side of this is of course is the Government presses ahead with a no deal brexit or even May's withdrawl agreement there will be public opposition to this too. Ultimately if that approach is as economically damaging as it currently appears the public outcry will be such that no government could ignore it and would risk loosing office. Ultimately neither remain or hard brexit will be acceptable to such large percentages of the population that an government could function if they press ahead with them. A compromise between the two is the only way to avoid that or we're in for decades of disputes and public protests. |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 14, 2019 10:19:21 GMT 1
Hasn't even started yet, there will be another 99 pages of "I told you so's" whatever happens. Might well be another 99 pages before we even get to that stage. Are we any the wiser? Remain after revoking article 50, remain after a second referendum, leave after a second referendum, leave with a deal, leave with no deal. I wouldn't bet against any of those outcomes. And we might well see a general election squeezed in at some place too. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2019 10:27:04 GMT 1
Iâm looking at our âimmediate â future if you like , the period post BJ being crowned PM and the appointment of his cabinet .
Step forward Priti Patel and Liz Truss , yes , two members of his new government who will , no doubt , result in my good self putting my head between my legs and kissing my arse goodbye at the thought of these two having anything to do in running the Country .
Forward then to oblivion and beyond .
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 14, 2019 10:30:27 GMT 1
The scary path is: Boris becomes PM, goes straight into a snap election, does a deal with Nigel for a majority and barnstorms whatever they want through. Whatever crazy stuff Boris agreed to with them to get their votes, the Country would have a very right wing coalition and ordinary people would suffer for it. Goodbye NHS as we know it, farewell workers rights. Hello Trump world.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2019 12:00:49 GMT 1
The scary path is: Boris becomes PM, goes straight into a snap election, does a deal with Nigel for a majority and barnstorms whatever they want through. Whatever crazy stuff Boris agreed to with them to get their votes, the Country would have a very right wing coalition and ordinary people would suffer for it. Goodbye NHS as we know it, farewell workers rights. Hello Trump world. Sensationalist b******s |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 14, 2019 12:42:59 GMT 1
The scary path is: Boris becomes PM, goes straight into a snap election, does a deal with Nigel for a majority and barnstorms whatever they want through. Whatever crazy stuff Boris agreed to with them to get their votes, the Country would have a very right wing coalition and ordinary people would suffer for it. Goodbye NHS as we know it, farewell workers rights. Hello Trump world. Sensationalist b******s God save the queen from the fascist regime. |
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 14, 2019 12:58:49 GMT 1
The scary path is: Boris becomes PM, goes straight into a snap election, does a deal with Nigel for a majority and barnstorms whatever they want through. Whatever crazy stuff Boris agreed to with them to get their votes, the Country would have a very right wing coalition and ordinary people would suffer for it. Goodbye NHS as we know it, farewell workers rights. Hello Trump world. Get a grip for goodness sake! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2019 14:46:56 GMT 1
I assume this isnât the same Fist of Fun video that I accidentally âstumbled uponâ on Porn Hub one day?? |
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jul 14, 2019 16:08:22 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 7:46:35 GMT 1
The scary path is: Boris becomes PM, goes straight into a snap election, does a deal with Nigel for a majority and barnstorms whatever they want through. Whatever crazy stuff Boris agreed to with them to get their votes, the Country would have a very right wing coalition and ordinary people would suffer for it. Goodbye NHS as we know it, farewell workers rights. Hello Trump world. Sensationalist b******s Just like Johnson and the vote leave campaign saying that 80million Turks were waiting to jump on the first available Ryanair flights to the UK.
Even if Turkey did actually meet the criteria for joining the EU (which is at least 20 years away, with Erdogan in power probably never) the thought of every single Turk just up and leaving their homes for the UK is just laughable.
The ÂŁ350million on the side of a bus was a political stunt, the problem is people fell for it and because it wasn't ridiculed by the TV stations they continued to believe it right up to June 27th. The Turkey myth was allowed to run too and that was as you so beautifully articulated was ''Sensationalist b******s''. That wasn't a politcal stunt though, that was propaganda.
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