|
Post by Exkeeper on Sept 21, 2011 12:16:10 GMT 1
Serious question, what do the elderly or infirm do at an away ground with just terracing? Just to add I wouldn't have stood if it obscured people's view but i didnt have that problem! There are very few grounds that have no seating for visitors, even Accrington, Macc and Torquay offer some. If no seats were available, such people have the option of not going. One further point on this - my old man is 90, and has followed the Town since the late 1930s. He comes to all home games and joins us at about 8 away games every season. He said on the coach on the way home, that he will not be coming away again, if he is unable to see the game.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2011 12:16:55 GMT 1
Serious question, what do the elderly or infirm do at an away ground with just terracing? Just to add I wouldn't have stood if it obscured people's view but i didnt have that problem! Off hand, I cannot think of a ground in League 2 where there is not an option of seating even for away support.
|
|
|
Post by elmundo on Sept 21, 2011 12:20:04 GMT 1
It doesn't take a lot to use some common sense in these situations.
I was in Block 23, where quite a few stood for the whole game.
We had 2 kids sat behind us, first we offered to swap rows, they said they were fine, so then while we were stood, we stood side on so they could have a clear view.
At full time, their Dad(?) thanked us for our consideration of his lads and also mentioned how good the atmosphere seemed with people stood up.
|
|
|
Post by ssshrew on Sept 21, 2011 12:28:09 GMT 1
It would be ideal if every ground was able to offer a standing option. But they don't or can't - life is never ideal. At present the rules seem to be that an all seater stadium is exactly what it says on the tin.
Everyone who buys ticket has the right to see the game and people standing in front of them is very inconsiderate.
Oh and just remember lads - one day you will be the elderly and/or infirm who have been supporting the town for more years than you care to remember!
My solution would be that either the rules are changed so that there are standing areas in grounds or that in future blocks could be sold to those who really wish to stand (if stewards let them!)
|
|
|
Post by mattmw on Sept 21, 2011 12:40:35 GMT 1
It doesn't take a lot to use some common sense in these situations. I was in Block 23, where quite a few stood for the whole game. We had 2 kids sat behind us, first we offered to swap rows, they said they were fine, so then while we were stood, we stood side on so they could have a clear view. At full time, their Dad(?) thanked us for our consideration of his lads and also mentioned how good the atmosphere seemed with people stood up. Think that's just the right attitude to have. The standing v sitting debate is always a tricky one especially at away games where people are mixed up more than they normally are at home games. I think at times some fans stand up for effect and to be seen to be a bit of a rebel, rather than to actually get behind the team and sing. It's perhaps this type of fan who doesn't care what effect this has on the person sitting behind them. Ultimately it says clearly on the ticket you must remain seated during the game and if you don't the stewards can eject you from the ground, but a bit of common sence from fans and stewards can allow all fans to enjoy the game
|
|
|
Post by venceremos on Sept 21, 2011 13:28:24 GMT 1
Serious question, what do the elderly or infirm do at an away ground with just terracing? Just to add I wouldn't have stood if it obscured people's view but i didnt have that problem! There are very few grounds that have no seating for visitors, even Accrington, Macc and Torquay offer some. If no seats were available, such people have the option of not going. One further point on this - my old man is 90, and has followed the Town since the late 1930s. He comes to all home games and joins us at about 8 away games every season. He said on the coach on the way home, that he will not be coming away again, if he is unable to see the game. That would be terrible and I hope he continues to go - I'd like to think I might be doing that at 90. I wouldn't have thought it was often a problem at away games - there's usually a lot more space to sit away from the main crowd to avoid that. Last night we didn't get to choose. It's about consideration. As a few on here have said, they wouldn't stand in the way of someone who struggled to do the same - that's common courtesy. None of us is entitled to ruin the match for someone else. I've no problem with standing if no-one else is obstructed but some people don't consider others. If it comes to it, I'd rather those people were made to sit than others not be able to enjoy the game. It'd be different if we had standing areas but we don't.
|
|
|
Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Sept 21, 2011 13:44:09 GMT 1
Good points being made here.
You don't have a "right" to stand.
You do have a responsibility to look out for fellow Salop fans.
|
|
|
Post by Feedo Gnasher on Sept 21, 2011 13:57:34 GMT 1
Good points being made here. You don't have a "right" to stand. You do have a responsibility to look out for fellow Salop fans. Agree. And I'm sure they were plenty of considerate fans who would have wanted to stand in the front rows, who didn't. If you wanted to stand and you were on the back row or everyone was standing around you, well then you just struck lucky. I wouldn't have stood if it disadvantaged others. But no point getting knickers in a twist over it, it's back to normal now, away games where there is either a terracing option or unallocated seating.
|
|
|
Post by pughywasfree on Sept 21, 2011 13:58:52 GMT 1
Perhaps we should sell the front half of the allocation to elderly, infirm, families etc and the back half to those who would like to stand, especially at such a big one-off game? that my friend would be the perfect solution. it was not helped by arsenal not letting people pick there seat. i would of wanted to stand behind the goal instead i had to sit in block 20 near the front
|
|
|
Post by shrewforever on Sept 21, 2011 14:19:33 GMT 1
In total agreement with Exkeepers posts on this thread,those that stand with a complete disregard for those behind them,young kids,elderly,those with mobility difficulties are nothing but ignorant selfish ba$&%$ds.
Some knuckle dragging numb nut in block 24 right behind the goal in about row 3 or 4 stood up the entire game.
Lucky for him that he was not obstructing my view as I would have insisted that a Steward made him sit down or had thrown him out and lucky for me as I would probably been cuffed again by Plod in making my point.
As said above and elsewhere on this thread IGNORANT AND SELFISH simple.................
|
|
|
Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Sept 21, 2011 14:28:50 GMT 1
Perhaps we should sell the front half of the allocation to elderly, infirm, families etc and the back half to those who would like to stand, especially at such a big one-off game? A good idea, but no club can admit that it would tolerate standing in seating areas.
|
|
|
Post by GrizzlyShrew on Sept 21, 2011 14:52:47 GMT 1
Serious question, what do the elderly or infirm do at an away ground with just terracing? Just to add I wouldn't have stood if it obscured people's view but i didnt have that problem! Don't know - none of the grounds I've ever been to have ever had 'only' terracing. A sensible mix of terracing and seating gives everyone the chance to watch a game as they want to, those that want to sit get others around them sitting, those that want to stand can do that with others that like to stand. Not really rocket science, just that these days we all get told to sit down, shut up, and pay highly for it as well. All totally wrong IMO
|
|
|
Post by albionshrew on Sept 21, 2011 18:00:05 GMT 1
It was only for a few moments on the odd occasion was hardily consistant. I was in Block 21 and by the end of the game had leg ache from standing up so much! Initially I was (mildly) annoyed at having to keep getting up but I was soon so absorbed in the game I couldn't care less if I was standing or sitting. I do understand the problem for people who have difficulties in standing. This why there should be a mixture of standing terraces and seating areas in football grounds. I bet no one has thought of that before.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2011 18:12:30 GMT 1
Regarding the original post, whilst it is not the most clever, witty or imaginative song in the world, Id imagine someone will be standing for around 30 seconds to a minute if that, so is it really a big deal? If you dont want to join in, then that is fine and you certainly should not be abused for choosing not to. But complaining because some people are standing for a minute or so, your at a football match but maybe its just me but I dont expect fans to sit like statues for 90 minutes
Regarding the persistent standing issue, well thats completely different. Il make it clear that I dont like sitting down at football matches and choose to be in an area at GM where I know I can stand. I was also fortunate that last night I was near the back and also the majority of people in front and around me were stood up which meant I did. However if everyone around me was sat down and the people behind me wanted to sit down then I would. I wouldnt like it but I would not spoil someones match by blocking their view. Clearly there are some fans who dont have the same thoughts though
At GM your rarely going to have the issue because the majority of the ground is sat down and people know where to go if they wish to stand. At away games with big followings then it is likely to happen because you have all types of fans mixed together. The only solution is terraces but we know that wont happen
|
|
|
Post by Exkeeper on Sept 21, 2011 18:18:08 GMT 1
Personally, if I am not with the old fella, I prefer to stand, but times change so we all have to adapt. I would be amazed if terraces ever return to the grounds of the bigger clubs and as I am hoping GT turns us into a bigger club, then.............................................
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2011 18:44:15 GMT 1
I was absolutely gutted my ticket was in row 3, and with good reason as every time we attacked, naturally, I stood up and on a number of occasions was told to sit down.
All seaters seem to ruin it for everyone: Those who want to stand up have their game ruined by people who want to sit down. Those who want to sit down have their game ruined by those that stand up.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2011 19:17:32 GMT 1
I was right next to the Arsenal fans to the right of our allocation, in the second half their fans stood up everytime the smallest thing happened, at first i tried to stay sitting due to elderly people behind us but it got to the point that i wasn't watching any of the game, there is nothing i can do about Arsenal fans blocked my view, so i stood up for a good part of the second half, only sitting down when the Arsenal fans did.
Whenever the 'stand up' song is used, which was 2-3 times, its not when theres a major event in the game is it? If we are 1v1 with the keeper for example, someone isn't going to start it off then? Plus whenever it is used, the people who join in are stood up for, what, 20 seconds? I agree if someone is standing up for no reason and directly blocked an elderly or young persons view that it is wrong, which is why at away games i always go to the back and stand, but theres nothing wrong with joining in with a song for a few seconds. If you turned upto a huge game like yesturday and expected Town fans to sit down for 90 minutes, well, you need to get a bit of common sense. Right or wrong, it was going to happen.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2011 19:24:49 GMT 1
I was delighted to see large swathes of supporters remaining stood for the duration of the game. Excellent stuff and a decent atmosphere to boot. Wonderful, and sod the very young, the very old or the infirm, who would not have enjoyed the match, as the couldn't see it. Serlfish b******s. Totally agree Ex............there was a certain irony in an older guy near us leaning over 2 rows of seats and pushing some selfish (who had been standing up randomly all through the game) in the back with his walking stick
|
|
|
Post by Feedo Gnasher on Sept 21, 2011 19:27:46 GMT 1
It does make you wonder how supporters of teams such as Arsenal, Liverpool and United do it, cos they stand for the entire duration of away games, and for most of the game in certain areas for home games too.
|
|
|
Post by gtismygod on Sept 21, 2011 19:57:24 GMT 1
how on earth can anyone justify criticising those who start songs? start your own then.
and as for sitting or standing, its standing every time. its a way better atmosphere. singing whilst sitting down is simply ridiculous. those who are elderly should be at the front if they are unable to stand, and young kids usually stand on seats? so no problem there. would everyone rather a dull atmosphere with 5,500 salopians sat down talking? its embarassing. as long as your able, stand up and get behind em.
|
|
|
Post by theshrews81 on Sept 21, 2011 20:13:56 GMT 1
how on earth can anyone justify criticising those who start songs? start your own then. and as for sitting or standing, its standing every time. its a way better atmosphere. singing whilst sitting down is simply ridiculous. those who are elderly should be at the front if they are unable to stand, and young kids usually stand on seats? so no problem there. would everyone rather a dull atmosphere with 5,500 salopians sat down talking? its embarassing. as long as your able, stand up and get behind em. MUPPET MUPPET MUPPET!! as u are well aware the elderly had no choice where they sat so had to sit where they were allocated. Also are you being serious about having all the kids stand on the seats? All this shows how childish and silly you are. You are the embarrassment for showing how incentive you are to other fans. If you can't keep to the rules stay away
|
|
|
Post by gtismygod on Sept 21, 2011 20:19:48 GMT 1
how on earth can anyone justify criticising those who start songs? start your own then. and as for sitting or standing, its standing every time. its a way better atmosphere. singing whilst sitting down is simply ridiculous. those who are elderly should be at the front if they are unable to stand, and young kids usually stand on seats? so no problem there. would everyone rather a dull atmosphere with 5,500 salopians sat down talking? its embarassing. as long as your able, stand up and get behind em. MUPPET MUPPET MUPPET!! as u are well aware the elderly had no choice where they sat so had to sit where they were allocated. Also are you being serious about having all the kids stand on the seats? All this shows how childish and silly you are. You are the embarrassment for showing how incentive you are to other fans. If you can't keep to the rules stay away not you again. youre boring. people should offer to swap seats, and i was meaning in general. whats wrong with that? or we could bring a new generation of kids through who have no experience of atmosphere whatsoever. its not insensitive its simply wanting a good atmosphere? think id hang myself if i was stood (SAT) next to you at a game...
|
|
|
Post by theshrews81 on Sept 21, 2011 20:26:16 GMT 1
MUPPET MUPPET MUPPET!! as u are well aware the elderly had no choice where they sat so had to sit where they were allocated. Also are you being serious about having all the kids stand on the seats? All this shows how childish and silly you are. You are the embarrassment for showing how incentive you are to other fans. If you can't keep to the rules stay away not you again. youre boring. people should offer to swap seats, and i was meaning in general. whats wrong with that? or we could bring a new generation of kids through who have no experience of atmosphere whatsoever. its not insensitive its simply wanting a good atmosphere? think id hang myself if i was stood (SAT) next to you at a game... Boring am I, you do make me chuckle!! Out of the 5500 in attendance yesterday could you honestly see us easily being able to swap seating arrangement. You do live in yr idealistic little bubble and it make u endearing but so naive! When I am at match I sing my heart and and help create great atmospheres from sitting! Also don't let me stop you!
|
|
|
Post by gtismygod on Sept 21, 2011 20:42:20 GMT 1
not you again. youre boring. people should offer to swap seats, and i was meaning in general. whats wrong with that? or we could bring a new generation of kids through who have no experience of atmosphere whatsoever. its not insensitive its simply wanting a good atmosphere? think id hang myself if i was stood (SAT) next to you at a game... Boring am I, you do make me chuckle!! Out of the 5500 in attendance yesterday could you honestly see us easily being able to swap seating arrangement. You do live in yr idealistic little bubble and it make u endearing but so naive! When I am at match I sing my heart and and help create great atmospheres from sitting! Also don't let me stop you! is it seriously possible to create an atmosphere sitting down? the only town game ive sat down for in the past season and a bit was bradford away and i felt like a dick sitting down singing. you cant deny standing generates a way better atmosphere, just look at leeds last night. why dont you stand? and why doesnt everyone who is able to stand? i just cant get my head around dull people who dilute the atmosphere at games.
|
|
|
Post by theshrews81 on Sept 21, 2011 20:50:52 GMT 1
Boring am I, you do make me chuckle!! Out of the 5500 in attendance yesterday could you honestly see us easily being able to swap seating arrangement. You do live in yr idealistic little bubble and it make u endearing but so naive! When I am at match I sing my heart and and help create great atmospheres from sitting! Also don't let me stop you! is it seriously possible to create an atmosphere sitting down? the only town game ive sat down for in the past season and a bit was bradford away and i felt like a dick sitting down singing. you cant deny standing generates a way better atmosphere, just look at leeds last night. why dont you stand? and why doesnt everyone who is able to stand? i just cant get my head around dull people who dilute the atmosphere at games. I don't stand as I like to be able to sit and shout on the team whilst being by my dad who is unable to stand up consistently through ill health. He has been a steward for 10 years then season ticket holder for the last 15 years so like to relax and sit to watch the matches. I think it says more about you that you can't sit down without feeling a dick!!!! Trust me I am less than dull and have been to many away matches where there hasn't been an issue with sitting and creating atmospheres!
|
|
|
Post by gtismygod on Sept 21, 2011 20:58:30 GMT 1
is it seriously possible to create an atmosphere sitting down? the only town game ive sat down for in the past season and a bit was bradford away and i felt like a dick sitting down singing. you cant deny standing generates a way better atmosphere, just look at leeds last night. why dont you stand? and why doesnt everyone who is able to stand? i just cant get my head around dull people who dilute the atmosphere at games. I don't stand as I like to be able to sit and shout on the team whilst being by my dad who is unable to stand up consistently through ill health. He has been a steward for 10 years then season ticket holder for the last 15 years so like to relax and sit to watch the matches. I think it says more about you that you can't sit down without feeling a dick!!!! Trust me I am less than dull and have been to many away matches where there hasn't been an issue with sitting and creating atmospheres! would you still prefer sitting if you werent with your dad though? i bet you would. i actually said i feel like a dick sitting down whilst singing but yeah i feel ridiculous paying money to come and sit quietly watching the game, may as well just stay at home and watch the football league show later on. its standing all day long for me, rather than sitting in a miserable sterile atmosphere.
|
|
|
Post by mattmw on Sept 21, 2011 23:26:26 GMT 1
Think this thread has demonstrated how we all have different ways of enjoying a game. For some it's all about the singing, and generating an atmosphere and getting behind the team. For others it's more about taking in the ground, looking at teams tactics and only really shouting at key moments.
I guess this might change as you get older too - 20 years ago I'd have been stood up singing all game, tutting at the old folk moaning about the game. Now the sight of a cushioned seat, a decent view of the game and no one under 30 anywhere near me somewhat appeals
It seems we need a way of giving fans more choice to decide how to view the game without interfering with others enjoyment. Designated standing areas, or just allowing standing on the back ten rows might be an option.
Until then maybe when we go to away games where we are likely to be a lot of Town fans in seats, there could be a thread on here saying which areas of the ground people will be sat in and whether there is a preference for standing to be "allowed" - if people know in advance perhaps tickets could be swapped?
Under the terms tickets are sold expecting to turn up at the game and change seats isn't realistic. Ultimately the sit v stand debate sits (excuse the pun) with the sitters as if your not sat in your designated seat rules allow stewards to chuck you out
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2011 9:51:50 GMT 1
When I am at match I sing my heart and and help create great atmospheres from sitting! There has NEVER been a good atmosphere created by supporters sitting down. Get that through your head.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2011 9:54:37 GMT 1
Trust me I am less than dull and have been to many away matches where there hasn't been an issue with sitting and creating atmospheres! Could you please provide some examples? I love a good laugh, me.
|
|
|
Post by Exkeeper on Sept 22, 2011 10:06:09 GMT 1
When I am at match I sing my heart and and help create great atmospheres from sitting! There has NEVER been a good atmosphere created by supporters sitting down. Get that through your head. That is absolute b*llox. I can only assume that you weren't at Bury for the play offs. Granted a few imbeciles tried standing, but most of them got the message, that other people behind them, may want to enjoy the game as well. Also, the Milton Keynes away game that us to Wembley. Shame you missed that one as well.
|
|