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Post by eclipsechaser on Sept 25, 2010 22:13:12 GMT 1
After the major blunder by Chris Neal today it again emphasises the need for us to get a REALLY GOOD goalkeeper .
I have been singing Neal's praises and his improvements over the last few matches but when his metal has been tested it has been bending !
His fumble/botch in the final seconds of Macclesfield nearly cost us 2 points but our full back saved him and today he lost us 2 points , quite clearly .
I am not criticising his character , I am not knocking him as he is still improving but it shows the gulf in his abilities between a keeper still learning and someone who is Good .
I think we NEED another GOOD keeper quickly . WHY ? Because if you translate the loss of points over the season then it adds up to the point of auto qualification /play offs and not getting there .
I still want him to carry on and improve and make the No.1 spot his but until then we need somone like Brown at Bury .
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Post by theyesman on Sept 25, 2010 22:21:11 GMT 1
I agree
I think we need a more experienced keeper, i would have liked Brown or even Shearer back to be honest.
People say that Neal has won us points this season, with the rough comes the smooth, but I haven't really seen him win any points or make any match winning saves. He had a good game against Rotherham but nothing special, he still made fumbles and spilt the ball and on the day if Le Fondre was quicker he would have followed these in. He does struggle to hold onto the ball, every week we see him make at least one blunder a game, Macclesfield, Gillingham and today.
He doesn't command his area, looks woeful at freekick's, and doesn't have a clue how to set up a wall.
I'm sure I'll get told to 'give him a chance'. Today was his 18th first team start, when can I stop 'giving him a chance'!
Smith to start Tuesday, I hope Neal improves but at the moment he won't get us promoted.
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Post by northwestman on Sept 26, 2010 8:07:44 GMT 1
Yes I agree.
Anyone seeing the performance of Andy Warrington for Rotherham against Chesterfield would realise the value of an experienced keeper. Without him I doubt Rotherham would have won a tight game.
Neal has made bad mistakes against Macclesfield, Gillingham, Northampton and Wycombe. He was also lucky to get away with pushing the ball out towards Le Fondre against Rotherham.
Smith has to start on Tuesday, but I feel he isn't the answer either.
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Post by barrynic on Sept 26, 2010 10:23:03 GMT 1
If we had a forward of the quality of LeFondle then this debate would be acedemic, as we would have been at least 3 goals up before the 'keepers howler.
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Post by filmcrewshrew on Sept 26, 2010 12:12:43 GMT 1
Although I'm not totally convinced by chris Neal I think panic loaning or dropping him for Smith is a bit prem for me, having watched the incident I don't think it was the catastophic error some have made out the ball was moving a bit.
Chris Neal was terrific against Rotherham pulling off some worldy's to preserve the 3 points that day, easily MOM, so let's give the guy a break!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2010 12:26:20 GMT 1
I must admit that Im not entirely convinced by the keepers but the way some posters are talking, its as if he has made numerous catostrophic errors this season which has cost us points but that isnt the case.
People have to be realistic here, he is a fourth division keeper so you cant expect perfection. You only have to look at the high profile mistakes by Premiership keepers (including our very own St Joe) to realise keepers are human and can mistakes. On top of that, he's fairly inexperienced having played number 2 for most of his career and being unfortuante with injuries.
If he makes repeated mistakes that cost us points then Id be inclined to agree and bring someone in but as far as Im aware this is the first mistake he's made that has cost us points.
I know its all about instant success nowadays but give the bloke a chance to prove himself. If it was down to some of you then Joe's career would have been cut short with us after making a few mistakes in his first couple of games.
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Post by samtheshrew on Sept 26, 2010 12:35:49 GMT 1
Name me a keeper that is available that we could get in.....
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Post by mrbunny on Sept 26, 2010 13:16:16 GMT 1
Name me a keeper that is available that we could get in..... Also name a keeper who never makes the odd blunder....
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Post by samtheshrew on Sept 26, 2010 13:17:59 GMT 1
Name me a keeper that is available that we could get in..... Also name a keeper who never makes the odd blunder.... Spot on. Neal is a decent keeper, stick with him.
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Post by Lord Ha Ha on Sept 26, 2010 13:32:17 GMT 1
I suggest put him out to pasture in the reserves while he learns his trade. If we're not careful there are already signs that he's fast becoming the next Dunbavin because we can't afford this bungling. He got away with it at Macc but not yesterday so we can't say it was a one off. Playing him at Vale will do nothing for him if we don't help him to correct his errors in training i.e free kick positioning, handling, command of his box etc
Smith to start on tuesday and give Neal some much needed time to get his act together in the reserves and on the training field.
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Post by samtheshrew on Sept 26, 2010 13:34:00 GMT 1
I suggest put him out to pasture in the reserves while he learns his trade. If we're not careful there are already signs that he's fast becoming the next Dunbavin because we can't afford this bungling. He got away with it at Macc but not yesterday so we can't say it was a one off. Playing him at Vale will do nothing for him if we don't help him to correct his errors in training i.e free kick positioning, handling, command of his box etc Smith to start on tuesday and give Neal some much needed time to get his act together in the reserves and on the training field. So you want to start a keeper who has conceded 7 goals in 2 games in the reserves, your reason being because Neal needs time in the reserves? Surely, if anything, seeing 7 go past you in 180 minutes is going to be worse for him than what happened yesterday.
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Post by Lord Ha Ha on Sept 26, 2010 13:39:27 GMT 1
Depends on how Smith conceded those seven. Did he do them in the manner of Neal yesterday. If so we have another Dunbavin and Cartwright situation of 2002/3. That is worrying.
If only we could have had Button again.
Maybe we could still get up with dodgy keepers. their did it with Andy Dibble in goals but he was about 44.
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Post by eclipsechaser on Sept 26, 2010 14:37:53 GMT 1
I must admit that Im not entirely convinced by the keepers but the way some posters are talking, its as if he has made numerous catostrophic errors this season which has cost us points but that isnt the case. People have to be realistic here, he is a fourth division keeper so you cant expect perfection. You only have to look at the high profile mistakes by Premiership keepers (including our very own St Joe) to realise keepers are human and can mistakes. On top of that, he's fairly inexperienced having played number 2 for most of his career and being unfortuante with injuries. If he makes repeated mistakes that cost us points then Id be inclined to agree and bring someone in but as far as Im aware this is the first mistake he's made that has cost us points. I know its all about instant success nowadays but give the bloke a chance to prove himself. If it was down to some of you then Joe's career would have been cut short with us after making a few mistakes in his first couple of games. But he has , as has been outlined above against teams mentioned above .
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Post by earleyshrew on Sept 26, 2010 15:05:01 GMT 1
I don't think he should be dropped off the back of yesterdays howler but all through the game he looked uncomfortable. I do think we should be looking for a replacement when the window opens unless we see a big improvement. However, despite all this I will not groan or boo him but just accept he might be the best we have for now.
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Post by northwestman on Sept 26, 2010 16:13:35 GMT 1
What a shame Luke Daniels has just gone out on a month's loan.
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Post by WindsorShrew on Sept 26, 2010 16:28:20 GMT 1
Perhaps you lot should write to Mr Turner to give him the benefit of your expertise guys.
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Post by shrew4life on Sept 26, 2010 16:35:53 GMT 1
Great input to the thread there Windsor.
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Post by eclipsechaser on Sept 26, 2010 17:00:43 GMT 1
Perhaps you lot should write to Mr Turner to give him the benefit of your expertise guys. as if i haven't called him already ...............
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Sept 26, 2010 17:12:14 GMT 1
If we are looking for an experienced 'keeper, Almunia should be available soon.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2010 17:19:10 GMT 1
Smith did start the season as first choice but after he was injured could not reclaim his place because Neal was halfway decent. I see no reason why Smith should not reclaim the place now.
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Post by tvor on Sept 26, 2010 18:01:06 GMT 1
What is abundantly clear is that certain B&A members have an anti Chris Neal agenda and have been just itching to put the boot in since he returned to the side. Why? I don't know, maybe because he was a Paul Simpson signing, but some people are clearly only happy when they are moaning about something related to the team. If it isn't Chris Neal it's Steve Leslie, why do some people always have to have a scapegoat to target? Anyone would think we've started the season like Bradford!
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Post by bradley on Sept 26, 2010 18:11:57 GMT 1
He may have been a Simpson signing but did he play him? no, instead he brought in 3 or 4 loan keepers
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Sept 26, 2010 18:13:28 GMT 1
Neal saves us against Rotherham, no doubt.
But having seen the replay for both goals, lots of questions to ask.
The wall was poorly positioned. For the second he was flapping at air. A sad day, but equally, some of this reaction is way too OTT.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2010 18:36:00 GMT 1
Perhaps we've been spoiled with the likes of loanees Daniels, Gilkes & Button. A key position, of that there's little doubt.
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Post by heavenlyshrew on Sept 26, 2010 19:11:38 GMT 1
2 **** ups in 2 games is 1 to many.Bring back Smith or better still bring in a quality keeper.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Sept 26, 2010 19:18:12 GMT 1
Yeah that's right, tell the keeper you haven't got faith in him purely on the basis of one game. That'll do his confidence the world of good, when later on in the season we might be relying on him.
As for loaning one in, don't be ridiculous. Turner has all summer to sort the position out, and he is clearly happy with what he has got, as am I
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Post by Jemmo on Sept 26, 2010 19:20:12 GMT 1
An absolute rubbish post.
In football when a striker misses a shot he isnt treated like this, When a midfielder doesnt play the right ball or misses a challenge and doesnt get treated like this and when a defender doesnt defend its never looked at like this.
Being a goalkeeper is a thankless position because when an error happens everyone jumps on them and shockingly on this post people are wanting to get rid of him and find a goalkeeper who isnt there.
Chris Neal has been excellent this season so far and deserves his first team slot. Leave him alone people, this isnt getting behind the team who are doing really well so far its getting at them.
Also I would like to pay tribute to an excellent display from Kevin Mac on saturday, Called into action with no prep and had a brilliant game. Not hearing many people singing his praises on B&A you all prefer to have a go instead.
Look where we are in thet able and enjoy it not knock it.....
I may be torn apart for my views but I am 100% behind the team and fingers crossed we will get somewhere this season. Dont write players off yet !!
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Post by heavenlyshrew on Sept 26, 2010 19:27:37 GMT 1
An absolute rubbish post. In football when a striker misses a shot he isnt treated like this, When a midfielder doesnt play the right ball or misses a challenge and doesnt get treated like this and when a defender doesnt defend its never looked at like this. Being a goalkeeper is a thankless position because when an error happens everyone jumps on them and shockingly on this post people are wanting to get rid of him and find a goalkeeper who isnt there. Chris Neal has been excellent this season so far and deserves his first team slot. Leave him alone people, this isnt getting behind the team who are doing really well so far its getting at them. Also I would like to pay tribute to an excellent display from Kevin Mac on saturday, Called into action with no prep and had a brilliant game. Not hearing many people singing his praises on B&A you all prefer to have a go instead. Look where we are in thet able and enjoy it not knock it..... I may be torn apart for my views but I am 100% behind the team and fingers crossed we will get somewhere this season. Dont write players off yet !! An absolute rubbish post.Neal has had 1 or 2 decent games. The last 2 games he has made 2 shocking mistakes and another time he should of done better.He needs to be replaced asap and Gt will change things for tuesday no doubt. We cant afford to drop points with mistakes.
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Post by shrew4life on Sept 26, 2010 19:29:05 GMT 1
Excellent and deserves his spot, really? I'm going to have to disagree with that.
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Post by samtheshrew on Sept 26, 2010 19:32:49 GMT 1
An absolute rubbish post. In football when a striker misses a shot he isnt treated like this, When a midfielder doesnt play the right ball or misses a challenge and doesnt get treated like this and when a defender doesnt defend its never looked at like this. Being a goalkeeper is a thankless position because when an error happens everyone jumps on them and shockingly on this post people are wanting to get rid of him and find a goalkeeper who isnt there. Chris Neal has been excellent this season so far and deserves his first team slot. Leave him alone people, this isnt getting behind the team who are doing really well so far its getting at them. Also I would like to pay tribute to an excellent display from Kevin Mac on saturday, Called into action with no prep and had a brilliant game. Not hearing many people singing his praises on B&A you all prefer to have a go instead. Look where we are in thet able and enjoy it not knock it..... I may be torn apart for my views but I am 100% behind the team and fingers crossed we will get somewhere this season. Dont write players off yet !! An absolute rubbish post.Neal has had 1 or 2 decent games. The last 2 games he has made 2 shocking mistakes and another time he should of done better.He needs to be replaced asap and Gt will change things for tuesday no doubt. We cant afford to drop points with mistakes. Clueless. Jemmo got it spot on. Yes, Chris has had some shaky moments in the last 2 games. However, against Northampton, calling that a mistake is very harsh. As a keeper at a free kick, you will always leave a certain part of the goal unguarded. Unfortunately, Thornton had the quality to take advantage of that space. As for yesterday's game, you could see (well, you couldn't) how devastated Chris was after his mistake. The one thing that should not be done is to crucify him. We need to remember he is still young, still learning, and to drop him now would only do more harm than good. A keeper makes a mistake, it usually ends up in a goal. A striker misses an open goal, then people forget it if he scores again. Unfortunately the keeper's mistake is more likely to affect a game, and that's why people feel like they should lambast them. I think I have come up with the solution, play Heavenly in goal, as he obviously knows alot more about goalkeeping.
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