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Post by heavenlyshrew on Aug 11, 2010 16:10:19 GMT 1
One of the quotes from a Charlton supporter at the game last night...... ''Just back from the game. Shrews fully deserved it and had the better of the game even before we scored. That said, you should never lose from a 3-0 lead.'' Even the Charlton fans and 99.9% of our fans are wrong and Ed was right our defence and midfield are poo.
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Post by Shrewed on Aug 11, 2010 16:18:08 GMT 1
Fair point but look at the original post on the thread, obviously I wasn't there but HeavenlyShrew said that you said to him in the Powerleague bar that Robinson wouldn't get more than 6 goals. Was this true? I really didn't think he was that bad last season as some were making out and knew that he'd prove a lot on here wrong and have a good season. McIntyre did have a good 2 friendly games and the 65 mins or whatever he was he played until he got sent off. Second half of last season he was quite simply woeful, he gave the ball away too much and his passing was quite simply shocking, but then again he wasn't the only one who was disappointing last season. Maybe new tactics will help him, but I can't see him working himself back into the team anytime soon now McAllister is playing well. If you read my reply to Heavenly's bull you will see that I did not say anything about either Robinson or Disley. It is unfair to compare the two Mac's as they are totally different players. All good teams have a "hardman" in central midfield to win the ball stop the opposition's central midfield playing. McIntyre is ideal for this role. If you look at Charlton last night all their good work came through the number 18 Stravinou who we failed to close down far too often. It was an excellent game last night two teams were involved and for those interested the match statistics on Shrewsweb make interesting reading.
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Post by Shrewed on Aug 11, 2010 16:21:05 GMT 1
Even the Charlton fans and 99.9% of our fans are wrong and Ed was right our defence and midfield are poo. I'm sorry Martin - Our defence was fantastic we very unlucky to concede 3 goals in the first 35 minutes to Charlton's reserve side. By the way it might help your use of facts to read the match statistics on Shrewsweb.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Aug 11, 2010 16:26:40 GMT 1
It was a 4-3, all those statistics prove to me is that the game was as open as the scoreline suggests
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2010 16:32:59 GMT 1
If you look at Charlton last night all their good work came through the number 18 Stravinou who we failed to close down far too often. Really? For me there main man was Racon (8) - involved in nearly everything they did, certainly second half.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Aug 11, 2010 16:36:30 GMT 1
If you look at Charlton last night all their good work came through the number 18 Stravinou who we failed to close down far too often. Really? For me there main man was Racon (8) - involved in nearly everything they did, certainly second half. And my opinion was that their best player was the number 10, Martin. It's strange how people see things differently
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Post by monkee on Aug 11, 2010 16:44:05 GMT 1
I really wonder where posters like Heavenly, Monkee and Optimistic dream up quotes that I have supposedly made. Lets look at what I wrote about last nights game: Positives: Great Game Never say die attitude; Continued to play football even 3 down. Number of 60 yard passes more than in all home games over last two years. O'Donnell was excellent. Missed McIntyre Very Exciting match GT will address weaknesses Negatives: Poor central midfield and defense for first 35 minutes - well 3- 0 after 30 hardly suggest defending was good, just look at the amount of room for 3rd goal due to lack of closing down by midfield. Charlton reserve team only 3 starter from Saturday's game suggests not anyway their first team and lets forget the recent history, Charlton are only a 1st division club. Need 1 more player - GT suggesting another player maybe coming in. Midfield lacks bite. The defence was woeful partly because it was getting little or no support from central midfield. So you are blaming both then? Jonah as you missed the first 35 minutes maybe it would be better if you didn't comment on the poor performance then. So monkee or is it eggman or one of the many other names you have used on here, out of the 21 managers that have been in charge over the period of my support how many have you seen me criticise. ONE Paul Simpson who in my opinion was possibly one of the worst in 50+ years given the resources he had available. Ed, its as if you want everything to be perfect with very little mistakes, if you want to watch that then go and watch Man United. We are watching league 2 football here FFS, the quality of L2 football being served up here is well above average and I'd say was better than Rochdales last season. The other week you were complaining about the entertainment and just grabbing a 1-0 scoreline when we bought in all these defenders first, and saying that the right attitude of football is that if the opposition score 3 then we'll score 4, but when that happens, you moan about the defence , We will get 70+ goals this season (We've already score 7 - 10%) of it and we only need to score 60 in our 48+ games left. Robinson 4 goals already and only needs to score 3 more to beat the 6 which you said he wouldn't get Also McIntyre is cr@p and can only think you rate him highly is because he's Peters signing, terrible footballer. Yes I do expect perfection, as my old Director said "if you accept 2nd best ultimately you will fail". Do you think GT will be resting on his laurels or will he be addressing the problems he perceived last night. Where did I say that Robinson would only score 6 please point it out to me. Quotes of 70 goals related getting into the playoffs so logically it only applies to league games meaning we are still 67 goals off that target. You are perfectly entitled to you opinion on McIntyre however regardless of who signed him I think you will find that many fans rate him as one of the most consistent players in the two friendlies and the Bradford game. Just a matter of opinion i was eggman and am monkee,i dont recall any other username, maybe you could remind you. and i havent quoted you on this thread so stop making stuff up to suit your argument.
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Post by heavenlyshrew on Aug 11, 2010 16:52:23 GMT 1
Before the game today in the powerleague you said our midfeild are not good enough do you still think the same? Before the game today you told me Disley was useless do you still think the same? Before the game today you said that Robinson will not score more than 6 goals this season do you still think the same? Before the game today you said the team would not score many goals do you still think the same? before the game today you said we would not finish in the top seven do you still think the same? Before the game today you said we need a 20 goal a season striker do you still think the same? Before the game you said the team would not score 70 goals to get promotion do you still think the same? Before you answer take into mind we beat a decent Bradford team. You also said all the above too Ed.
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Post by Optimistic Shrew on Aug 11, 2010 17:02:06 GMT 1
I really wonder where posters like Heavenly, Monkee and Optimistic dream up quotes that I have supposedly made. Lets look at what I wrote about last nights game: Positives: Great Game Never say die attitude; Continued to play football even 3 down. Number of 60 yard passes more than in all home games over last two years. O'Donnell was excellent. Missed McIntyre Very Exciting match GT will address weaknesses Negatives: Poor central midfield and defense for first 35 minutes - well 3- 0 after 30 hardly suggest defending was good, just look at the amount of room for 3rd goal due to lack of closing down by midfield. Charlton reserve team only 3 starter from Saturday's game suggests not anyway their first team and lets forget the recent history, Charlton are only a 1st division club. Need 1 more player - GT suggesting another player maybe coming in. Midfield lacks bite. Jonah as you missed the first 35 minutes maybe it would be better if you didn't comment on the poor performance then. So monkee or is it eggman or one of the many other names you have used on here, out of the 21 managers that have been in charge over the period of my support how many have you seen me criticise. ONE Paul Simpson who in my opinion was possibly one of the worst in 50+ years given the resources he had available. Yes I do expect perfection, as my old Director said "if you accept 2nd best ultimately you will fail". Do you think GT will be resting on his laurels or will he be addressing the problems he perceived last night. Where did I say that Robinson would only score 6 please point it out to me. Quotes of 70 goals related getting into the playoffs so logically it only applies to league games meaning we are still 67 goals off that target. You are perfectly entitled to you opinion on McIntyre however regardless of who signed him I think you will find that many fans rate him as one of the most consistent players in the two friendlies and the Bradford game. Just a matter of opinion i was eggman and am monkee,i dont recall any other username, maybe you could remind you. and i havent quoted you on this thread so stop making stuff up to suit your argument. I think I remember once you were a certain sausage sandwich
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Post by Shrewed on Aug 11, 2010 17:05:38 GMT 1
i was eggman and am monkee,i dont recall any other username, maybe you could remind you. and i havent quoted you on this thread so stop making stuff up to suit your argument. You made references to me twice, but maybe your short term memory is as bad as your failure to remember all the names you have used on here including those as a guest. he did no such thing, he just complains about every manager because in the end they mostly fail. tbh, i dont remember his posts pre simpson, i know he was compliamentary about peters in comparison to Simpson but i wonder if that was just a stick to beat simpson with. the nearest i remember him being to complimentary about simpson was more damning him with feint praise.
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Post by monkee on Aug 11, 2010 17:53:37 GMT 1
i was eggman and am monkee,i dont recall any other username, maybe you could remind you. and i havent quoted you on this thread so stop making stuff up to suit your argument. You made references to me twice, but maybe your short term memory is as bad as your failure to remember all the names you have used on here including those as a guest. he did no such thing, he just complains about every manager because in the end they mostly fail. tbh, i dont remember his posts pre simpson, i know he was compliamentary about peters in comparison to Simpson but i wonder if that was just a stick to beat simpson with. the nearest i remember him being to complimentary about simpson was more damning him with feint praise. again you demonstrate an inability to understand the words you use, there is a difference between quoting and making reference to something. back to that dictionary do you have access to the ip addresses of the users and guests on this board? no you dont, so again stop pretending you know something when you dont(as if).
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Post by monkee on Aug 11, 2010 17:54:42 GMT 1
i was eggman and am monkee,i dont recall any other username, maybe you could remind you. and i havent quoted you on this thread so stop making stuff up to suit your argument. I think I remember once you were a certain sausage sandwich actually that does ring a bell although i am not sure it was I
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Post by Jonah on Aug 11, 2010 18:53:55 GMT 1
Jonah as you missed the first 35 minutes maybe it would be better if you didn't comment on the poor performance then. Ed answer the question it has nothing to do with me not being there does it? Same old Told you before football at any standard is not as black and white as you think it is.
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Post by Liam on Aug 11, 2010 19:01:11 GMT 1
Christ, did I post earlier that Ed had been enthusiastic about "Simpson?" I did, of course, mean "Turner." My typing fingers obviously haven't quite got used to the fact that the witch is dead and there's a new leader at the helm.
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Post by Shrewed on Aug 11, 2010 19:22:33 GMT 1
Any chance you will give them time to gel before you criticise? Somebody once said if you score more than the opposition you win games The defence was woeful partly because it was getting little or no support from central midfield. So you are blaming both then? Jonah you are confusing observations with criticism. I have not criticised any player unlike other posters who write off players as cr&p not fit for Sunday League etc. I am not sure it adds anything to this or any other board to have comments whether good or bad such as fantastic, awful at least when I post I attempt to justify my opinion. If what you and others want is a single line comments or only comments that 100% positive I might as well hang up my keyboard, because this would become a boring board. Out of interest Jonah when you are sitting in the Sovereign lounge before and after the game do you actually discuss the game? Do you talk about the good and the bad performances?
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Post by Jonah on Aug 11, 2010 19:39:36 GMT 1
The Sovereign lounge Ed We are on a level above that We tend to discuss the prawn sandwiches and were to invest the next million or two Of course we discuss it and overwhelmingly it was agreed that it was a fantastic game and the future appears very bright. Ed your statement so was it the defence or midfield at fault?
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Post by shrewswolf on Aug 11, 2010 19:55:09 GMT 1
Lets be fair, there is nothing wrong with wanting perfection, it was a great game but we can't just ignore defensive problems. At times in the season nothing will go in for us, and if we continue defensively as we did yesterday we will lose points.
If he didn't enjoy the game I'd agree he was mad and so on.. but he hasn't said that, just keeping down to earth that we're not the real thing just yet and things are there to be improved. Nothing too wrong with that...
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Post by heavenlyshrew on Aug 11, 2010 20:02:55 GMT 1
At the end of the day we are seeing some decent football there is no need for knit picking at the moment.
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Post by Jonah on Aug 11, 2010 20:56:30 GMT 1
At the end of the day we are seeing some decent football there is no need for knit picking at the moment. Correct Martin some have had 18 months of nit picking and are still at it
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Post by Liam on Aug 11, 2010 21:52:21 GMT 1
It's been done to death Jonah, so I won't start again, but I seriously think the criticism at the end of last season was a lot more than just nit-picking.
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Post by Shrewed on Aug 12, 2010 8:20:47 GMT 1
At the end of the day we are seeing some decent football there is no need for knit picking at the moment. Correct Martin some have had 18 months of nit picking and are still at it Well Rob I see you're taking lessons from Heavenly again and I thought you had class. You have got it wrong again it might be nitpicking now but for the last two seasons there was far too much wrong for it to be just that. Like usual you fail to answer a simple question, in the glorified company that you keep before, during and after the game do you discuss the good and bad points about the game or do you all just say how rosey the future is. In answer to your question in my opinion during the first roughly 35 minutes on Tuesday night neither the central midfield or defence played well. Unlike some others I do not need to attach blame to individual players.
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Post by Jonah on Aug 12, 2010 10:05:16 GMT 1
Correct Martin some have had 18 months of nit picking and are still at it Well Rob I see you're taking lessons from Heavenly again and I thought you had class. You have got it wrong again it might be nitpicking now but for the last two seasons there was far too much wrong for it to be just that. Like usual you fail to answer a simple question, in the glorified company that you keep before, during and after the game do you discuss the good and bad points about the game or do you all just say how rosey the future is. In answer to your question in my opinion during the first roughly 35 minutes on Tuesday night neither the central midfield or defence played well. Unlike some others I do not need to attach blame to individual players. 'Of course we discuss it and overwhelmingly it was agreed that it was a fantastic game and the future appears very bright.' Missed that quote then Ed
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Post by heavenlyshrew on Aug 12, 2010 17:05:29 GMT 1
Ed i think you need to give this one up.If it was a boxing match you would of been stopped by the end of the first round
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Post by Shrewed on Aug 12, 2010 17:59:34 GMT 1
Ed i think you need to give this one up.If it was a boxing match you would of been stopped by the end of the first round Unfortunately you wouldn't be allowed in the ring too ligfht weight. For the super heavyweight division.
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Post by venceremos on Aug 12, 2010 18:42:24 GMT 1
in my opinion during the first roughly 35 minutes on Tuesday night neither the central midfield or defence played well. Would that be the same period of the game during which we had nearly all the possession but found ourselves 0-3 down because of defensive problems? The period when GT thought it would have been "a travesty" for us to be 0-1 down, never mind 3? I wonder how we managed that with a central midfield that wasn't playing well?
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Post by Shrewed on Aug 13, 2010 7:20:31 GMT 1
in my opinion during the first roughly 35 minutes on Tuesday night neither the central midfield or defence played well. Would that be the same period of the game during which we had nearly all the possession but found ourselves 0-3 down because of defensive problems? The period when GT thought it would have been "a travesty" for us to be 0-1 down, never mind 3? I wonder how we managed that with a central midfield that wasn't playing well? Not sure where your "travesty" statement comes from. Turner on Shrewsweb states "we were not bad" during the time they scored 3 goals and in all honesty could have had two more. Possession is a bit misleading as far as statistics go because surely it is the time you have the ball in the other sides final third that is important and the quality of the final ball. I do find your statement that for the first 35 minutes we had "nearly all the possession" a little dubious when if you look at the match report it states that during the match we only had 41% possession (a figure I find amazing). As I stated before the 3rd Charlton goal was a prime example of midfield failing to close down the Charlton player after the ball had been lost midfield. He ran 20 to 30 yards unharassed before scoring surely its the job of central midfield to stop this. I am convinced that where you sit in the ground gives you a different perspective on the game. Peters always used to like standing at the back of the stand high up in the first half and didn't he have one of the coaches behind the goal at least for some games
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Post by heavenlyshrew on Aug 13, 2010 7:32:20 GMT 1
Ed some questions for you.
What has Peter ever won as a manager? How Many manager jobs has he had? I hope you are not trying to compare GT with Peters.
Btw Simmo has won more than Peters and he still has a managers job. Anyway what is the point of you keep raking up the past?
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Post by Shrewed on Aug 13, 2010 7:43:54 GMT 1
Ed some questions for you. What has Peter ever won as a manager? How Many manager jobs has he had? I hope you are not trying to compare GT with Peters. Btw Simmo has won more than Peters and he still has a managers job. Anyway what is the point of you keep raking up the past? Martin do you understand what an example is: the reference to Peters was regarding how you get a different perspective depending where you watch a game from and had nothing at all to do with his performance as a manager. It also had nothing to do with Simpson who liked to stand at half way with his arm folded.
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Post by heavenlyshrew on Aug 13, 2010 7:57:52 GMT 1
The point is Peters has gone so you really need to drop it.
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Post by Shrewed on Aug 13, 2010 8:06:48 GMT 1
The point is Peters has gone so you really need to drop it. Martin there is a very interesting thread on here about goalkeepers of the past, you started an interesting thread about the best cup ties, should we forget those too because they are in the past. Peters is gone, Simpson is gone that does not mean we cannot refer to them both are part of the history of STFC.
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