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Post by ceejay75 on Aug 8, 2010 19:23:45 GMT 1
in some of the cardiff vs blades game this afternoon and if the bluebirds are a step more successful then last season come May then I will have a gripe.
Maybe I am being a bit petty and may sound anti-welsh with this rant but despite how big and well supported the club is , I'd rather see another championship team (same goes for Swansea) promoted to the ENGLISH premiership.
We ourselves have won the Welsh Cup 6 times but as an english club were we allowed to progress and play in europe as our right as winners of the competition? Were we hell!
Should Cardiff City be allowed to play in the champions league if they were promoted to and actually won the prem? I shouldn't think so. What do other B&A posters think?
On a slightly similar subject... I live on the doorstep of The New Saints. The Venue is 5 mins down the road. Do I go to see their games? No. The reason being is despite the merger of Oswestry Town & Llansantffraid football club I see them just as a welsh club based and playing their games in England. However if it was just plain Oswestry Town then Yes I would support them more. Anyone agree?
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Post by Ned on Aug 8, 2010 19:40:21 GMT 1
Interesting topic.
A lot of English supporters can't stand Cardiff, but why? It can't be because of being Welsh, they don't seem to have as big a problem with Swansea, Newport or Wrexham. Although, your arguement is fair enough, because you've mentioned the other Welsh clubs.
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Post by siabod on Aug 8, 2010 19:43:00 GMT 1
The Welsh clubs have been in the league for so many years that it would seem harsh in the extreme to throw them out now. Are you suggesting it because we were not allowed to progress after winning the Welsh cup, I'm not too sure where clubs progressed to in the days we were winning it, was the qualification still the same ?. I would like to see Wrexham back in the football league to provide us with a much missed derby (IMO) but there will be no further additions as the set up is at the moment as qualification is via the conference whilst the Welsh clubs (non league) play in the Welsh Premier and supporting leagues. We should (using your thinking) not have been in the Welsh cup but at the time it suited the club and was a revenue raiser.
And yes as you suggest it does make you sound anti - welsh as you would support a club if it had a name change.
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Post by heavenlyshrew on Aug 8, 2010 19:43:35 GMT 1
Kick all welsh clubs out of english football. If the premiership is named the English premiership it should be only for English teams simple as.
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Post by ceejay75 on Aug 8, 2010 19:44:57 GMT 1
Interesting topic. A lot of English supporters can't stand Cardiff, but why? It can't be because of being Welsh, they don't seem to have as big a problem with Swansea, Newport or Wrexham. Although, your arguement is fair enough, because you've mentioned the other Welsh clubs. I agree. Definitely an anti-Cardiff City stigma about. The Bluebirds do seem to me more hated say then their bitter welsh rivals, Swansea. Maybe its just due to the fact that Cardiff is the capital of Wales and therefore the biggest club geographically
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Post by siabod on Aug 8, 2010 19:48:13 GMT 1
Interesting topic. A lot of English supporters can't stand Cardiff, but why? It can't be because of being Welsh, they don't seem to have as big a problem with Swansea, Newport or Wrexham. Although, your arguement is fair enough, because you've mentioned the other Welsh clubs. I agree. Definitely an anti-Cardiff City stigma about. The Bluebirds do seem to me more hated say then their bitter welsh rivals, Swansea. Maybe its just due to the fact that Cardiff is the capital of Wales and therefore the biggest club geographically And it could be that Cardiff fans generally do not endear themselves to other clubs followers.
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Post by siabod on Aug 8, 2010 19:52:03 GMT 1
Kick all welsh clubs out of english football. If the premiership is named the English premiership it should be only for English teams simple as. Is it named the English premier league ? Thought it was the F A premier league and later the "Sponsor" premier league.
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Post by Ned on Aug 8, 2010 19:53:49 GMT 1
I agree. Definitely an anti-Cardiff City stigma about. The Bluebirds do seem to me more hated say then their bitter welsh rivals, Swansea. Maybe its just due to the fact that Cardiff is the capital of Wales and therefore the biggest club geographically And it could be that Cardiff fans generally do not endear themselves to other clubs followers. Bad history, but Cardiff fans are not like that anymore. Things have changed.
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Post by capitalsalopian on Aug 8, 2010 19:58:16 GMT 1
i'm not very fond of cardiff and their fans either. the anti-cardiff vibes maybe have something to do with the fact they won the fa cup once?
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Post by ceejay75 on Aug 8, 2010 20:12:17 GMT 1
The Welsh clubs have been in the league for so many years that it would seem harsh in the extreme to throw them out now. Are you suggesting it because we were not allowed to progress after winning the Welsh cup, I'm not too sure where clubs progressed to in the days we were winning it, was the qualification still the same ?. I would like to see Wrexham back in the football league to provide us with a much missed derby (IMO) but there will be no further additions as the set up is at the moment as qualification is via the conference whilst the Welsh clubs (non league) play in the Welsh Premier and supporting leagues. We should (using your thinking) not have been in the Welsh cup but at the time it suited the club and was a revenue raiser. And yes as you suggest it does make you sound anti - welsh as you would support a club if it had a name change. Sound points there. I can imagine the uproar if Cardiff City were kicked out , esp after having a new £48million 26,828 capacity stadium built in the year or so! Can't see TNS or Rhyl being as big a crowd puller as their opponents, Sheffield Utd today! It's just the principle, I would just prefer an english championship club promoted to the premiership than say Cardiff or Swansea. It is a interesting topic and does relate to the ongoing debate of whether Rangers and Celtic should be playing in the Premiership . From a football fan's view most I'm sure would rather see the Scottish giants playing in the prem than the big two from Wales. A friend of mine supports Everton AND Celtic and I'm sure he would cream himself if they met in a bonafide premiership game LOL Would rather see Wrexham stay at their current level in the BSP BUT would like to play and stuff them in a big FA Cup tie at the GM or an awayday at their sheep pen! re anti-welsh , maybe. TNS are my home team, being based a quarter of a mile away but I see them as a welsh team playing in England. Had it just been plain Oswesry Town I'd support them. Then again though they would be an english team but annoyingly playing in a welsh league. Gawd I sound fickle!
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Post by Old Bucks Head on Aug 8, 2010 20:15:26 GMT 1
I would like to see Wrexham back in the football league to provide us with a much missed derby (IMO) but there will be no further additions as the set up is at the moment as qualification is via the conference whilst the Welsh clubs (non league) play in the Welsh Premier and supporting leagues. Not strictly true. Newport County (promoted to the Conference Premier for the forthcoming season), Colwyn Bay and Merthyr Town all play in the English non-league pyramid. These are just the ones that I can think of off the top of my head, there may be others too.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2010 20:18:16 GMT 1
[/quote] Bad history, but Cardiff fans are not like that anymore. Things have changed.[/quote] Sure I saw a Police appeal on SSN the other day for a number of Cardiff 'faces' photographed while causing mayhem on the Kings Rd after their cup tie at Stamford Bridge last season? Not a lot of change there then?
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Post by ceejay75 on Aug 8, 2010 20:23:35 GMT 1
i'm not very fond of cardiff and their fans either. the anti-cardiff vibes maybe have something to do with the fact they won the fa cup once? Good point there Edinburghsalopian. Maybe those vibes do reflect from that FA Cup win and yes you can imagine the reaction if Cardiff ever won the Premiership. It just wouldn't seem or feel right. As I have just mentioned in a post. If the big two from Wales can play in the prem, why not the big two from Scotland? If Rangers and Celtic were allowed to play in the prem then I would also think that unfair on other big scottish clubs and scottish clubs in general. hell why not have a british league and all be done with it? ps hibs or hearts?
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Post by siabod on Aug 8, 2010 20:25:57 GMT 1
I would like to see Wrexham back in the football league to provide us with a much missed derby (IMO) but there will be no further additions as the set up is at the moment as qualification is via the conference whilst the Welsh clubs (non league) play in the Welsh Premier and supporting leagues. Not strictly true. Newport County (promoted to the Conference Premier for the forthcoming season), Colwyn Bay and Merthyr Town all play in the English non-league pyramid. These are just the ones that I can think of off the top of my head, there may be others too. Correct, forgot about those, should not have done after their officials were suspended etc for not toeing the line at the time they rejected the new league set up.
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Post by capitalsalopian on Aug 8, 2010 20:31:38 GMT 1
hearts every time! go jambo's! used to live in view of the tynecastle.
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Post by ceejay75 on Aug 8, 2010 20:50:43 GMT 1
hearts every time! go jambo's! used to live in view of the tynecastle. Interesting to hear Hearts are the second team you listen out for on skysports soccer saturday!! If there was ever a shakeup of the leagues looks like they could hold their own down south with a win over Millwall and a draw vs blackburn rovers today
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Post by Ned on Aug 8, 2010 21:03:24 GMT 1
Bad history, but Cardiff fans are not like that anymore. Things have changed.[/quote] Sure I saw a Police appeal on SSN the other day for a number of Cardiff 'faces' photographed while causing mayhem on the Kings Rd after their cup tie at Stamford Bridge last season? Not a lot of change there then? [/quote] Things like that happen every week, it wasn't even serious. It was no worse than the scenes at Port Vale on the last day last season.
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Post by onthetrain92 on Aug 8, 2010 21:11:54 GMT 1
This is the biggest heap of bollox thread i've heard, Wales isn't really a country its a principality of the Kingdom of England, but don't get me started on that one. Cardiff and Swansea have played at Premier league level league 1, the Welsh Premier league when it was formed gave them the opportunity which they refused. They lost out on what was winning the Premiership level today on goal difference to Huddersfield in 1924. The rule was changed if they won the FA Cup they could play in Europe or indeed the Premiership. TNS are based in England yet play in the Welsh League and represent them in Europe. If I had my may i would give a big **** you to Scotland, Wales and England and enforce a Great Britain as a sole country or league. I'd give Ulster back to Ireland because it aint worth the hassle. I'd have a British national team and a British league system and once and for all get rid of this crap hatered for one another. This should have been down after world war 2! The Bulldog spirit!
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Post by onthetrain92 on Aug 8, 2010 21:14:41 GMT 1
Bad history, but Cardiff fans are not like that anymore. Things have changed. Sure I saw a Police appeal on SSN the other day for a number of Cardiff 'faces' photographed while causing mayhem on the Kings Rd after their cup tie at Stamford Bridge last season? Not a lot of change there then? [/quote] Things like that happen every week, it wasn't even serious. It was no worse than the scenes at Port Vale on the last day last season.[/quote] Really Ed i think not, this was far worse.
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Post by Ned on Aug 8, 2010 21:36:37 GMT 1
Bad history, but Cardiff fans are not like that anymore. Things have changed. Sure I saw a Police appeal on SSN the other day for a number of Cardiff 'faces' photographed while causing mayhem on the Kings Rd after their cup tie at Stamford Bridge last season? Not a lot of change there then? [/quote] Things like that happen every week, it wasn't even serious. It was no worse than the scenes at Port Vale on the last day last season.[/quote] Really Ed i think not, this was far worse.[/quote] Maybe, but we all know about the Press' hatred for Cardiff. Agree on your point on a British leage though.
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Post by mollcollie on Aug 8, 2010 22:22:16 GMT 1
Very short memories shrews fans. There was a time when Town fans were not so angelic, EBF comes to mind, and before you say that they are not true fans , that can be said of every hooligan element attached to football these days. As for who should or should not qualify, how about the likes of liverpool being knocked out of the Champions league and given a wild card into the Europa league, when we all know that pompey should have qualified. And weather you like the welsh or not, their is a signifcant number who make up the attendance at the meadow while many salopians go off to watch the likes of wolves , villa and the mancs.
Yes you have guessed right,I am a Cardiff fan, but also a season ticket holder at the meadow, im one of the sheep shaggers that the away fans chant about.
God lets hope they never let Celtic and Rangers join the premier league, then you will have something to gripe about.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2010 22:50:59 GMT 1
"how about the likes of liverpool being knocked out of the Champions league and given a wild card into the Europa league, when we all know that pompey should have qualified."
How about Portsmouth not even applying for the necessary licence to play in Europe and then quite reasonably being told no when they had a last minute change of mind.
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Post by blum on Aug 8, 2010 23:00:22 GMT 1
I dont care what you say, IMO the hatred of England, the English and the thugish football fan is a live and Kicking in the Valleys. How do I know this? I have been working in South Wales for nearly 4 months and have seen first hand what they think of us (sorry, the English). We've seen it time and again when Swansea and Cardiff visit STFC what they are capable of, and just because they both have shiney new grounds doesnt mean that they have all of a sudden hung up their Doc Martins.
I agree with Heavenlyshrew, the ENGLISH leagues should stay ENGLISH. You wouldnt get a Spanish side playing in the French league, not even an Austrian side playing in Germany, so why have the Welsh in ours?
I know some very nice Welsh types, but I have met some horrid ones and usually they are football "fans" and are from Cardiff, Swansea and Rexham.
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Post by bowler21 on Aug 8, 2010 23:44:00 GMT 1
What a load of rubbish. Of course Cardiff, Swansea and Rexham should be allowed to play in the Premier League. Talk about petty xenophobia! Passports held by the Welsh do exactly the same as yours, you know. They are governed by the same lot presiding over us. Stop trying to draw up nationalist divides that simply do not exist in reality.
If you're all so proud and defensive of your 'English' Premier League, your concern should be directed at the fact that there's barely an Englishman to be seen on the pitch, not worrying about a couple of teams a few miles over the border coming over here and entering 'our' leagues. If they strengthen the football league (which they certainly do), then there shouldn't be a problem at all. Its not like they're diluting the league or providing teams with a huge journey to play matches.
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Post by heavenlyshrew on Aug 9, 2010 8:39:17 GMT 1
Well the question is would the league of wales welcome a team from England? I doubt it very much just say a lower league side like Boston united tryed to join would welsh teams like rhyl or TNS risk losing money made from the champions league money the answer would be no.
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Post by Minor on Aug 9, 2010 9:03:58 GMT 1
Well the question is would the league of wales welcome a team from England? I doubt it very much just say a lower league side like Boston united tryed to join would welsh teams like rhyl or TNS risk losing money made from the champions league money the answer would be no. Bishops Castle Town FC - Spar Mid Wales League (2 divisions below the LOW) there is your answer
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Post by heavenlyshrew on Aug 9, 2010 9:06:25 GMT 1
That is not a English team that would take the chamions league from TNS or rhyl.
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Post by Minor on Aug 9, 2010 9:09:01 GMT 1
That is not a English team that would take the chamions league from TNS or rhyl. No but it answers your question about English teams being allowed into the higher reaches of the Welsh Football Pyramid. Oh and btw, we have left the said pyramid after 26 years and are now in the Shropshire County League Division One for 2010-11
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Post by Shrewed on Aug 9, 2010 10:10:17 GMT 1
I think the little Englanders really need to start worrying because within 10 years there will Pan European Leagues and before that a British League. Unfortunately football in now decided by how much Sky will pay and what the big clubs want. Big Clubs want one thing more PROFIT.
How anyone can worry about who is in the "English" Premier League when two thirds of the players can't represent England a farce really.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2010 11:27:48 GMT 1
Bad history of supporter violence.
Arrogance of supporters certanly since Sam Hammam moved in and built the whole us against them mentality, one club in wales etc.etc.etc.
Cardiff, Leeds and Millwall fans. Lovely bunch
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