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Post by AFCBally on Feb 14, 2005 14:23:04 GMT 1
We have aplayer at our club who has scored something like 16 goals in 23 games which is excellent no matter what league its in but still he gets people moaning at him It doesn't matter what club you support you always get some people who only seem to go to have a good moan, there is nothing you can do about it unfortunatly. The better you play and the better results you get the less people will moan, but even then some will find something else to moan about.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Feb 14, 2005 14:23:26 GMT 1
I don't condone the slagging off fans give the players. However, I do believe Mr Peters should concentrate on his players performing and im sure the fans will reciprocate by cheering them on. If we were top of the league you still will get people who will moan and there’s nowt you can do about it unfortunately. Mr Peters will antagonize supporters if he keeps dictating to the fans what they must and mustn’t do. OK, it could be a risky strategy, but I think that bringing it out in the open is a positive move. It could shame some of the moaners and enbolden those of us who want to drown them out. Doing nothing will change nothing.
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Post by Bilbo on Feb 14, 2005 14:34:31 GMT 1
OK, it could be a risky strategy, but I think that bringing it out in the open is a positive move. It could shame some of the moaners and enbolden those of us who want to drown them out. Doing nothing will change nothing. I just thinking on a cautious note. We currently have a great home attendance for our current position, and I would hate to see that demise due to GP's outspokeness. Im all in favour of any strategy to eliminate the moaners, but I think thats more to do with the players on the pitch performing.
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Post by jamo on Feb 14, 2005 14:35:18 GMT 1
We have aplayer at our club who has scored something like 16 goals in 23 games which is excellent no matter what league its in but still he gets people moaning at him It doesn't matter what club you support you always get some people who only seem to go to have a good moan, there is nothing you can do about it unfortunatly. The better you play and the better results you get the less people will moan, but even then some will find something else to moan about. Pretty decent example that. I'm afriad that there will be a percentage of any crowd that will be difficult to reach in terms of active support for their respective clubs.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2005 14:36:24 GMT 1
I just thinking on a cautious note. We currently have a great home attendance for our current position, and I would hate to see that demise due to GP's outspokeness. Im all in favour of any strategy to eliminate the moaners, but I think thats more to do with the players on the pitch performing. As I pointed to before, the atmosphere vs Orient was quality even though some pretty poor football was to be played. Was that a result of GP's comment? ...
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Post by rob on Feb 14, 2005 14:44:15 GMT 1
he needs to get himself to a wlves game. They could win 4/5-0 and I'd guarantee that there would be plenty of people moaning about newton, or Cort or kennedys lack of pace etc.
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Post by graedw on Feb 14, 2005 15:01:18 GMT 1
i just think the last three seasons our home form has been poor and the atmosphere has reflected this,(even the conference season we struggled to assert ourselves at home) the season before relegation however our home form was good, the atmosphere was excellent, i don`t think the majority of people moan, i think really over the past few seasons people accept the inevitable, however gp is giving us reason to more more upbeat, the confidence is growing, want a better atmosphere give us the station end back, very little noise can be produced from the wakeman, as for people leaving the ground early, most clubs see supporters leaving before the end, but the majority stay til the final whistle.... stfc forever
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Post by Minor on Feb 14, 2005 15:11:12 GMT 1
I don't condone the slagging off fans give the players. However, I do believe Mr Peters should concentrate on his players performing and im sure the fans will reciprocate by cheering them on. If we were top of the league you still will get people who will moan and there’s nowt you can do about it unfortunately. Mr Peters will antagonize supporters if he keeps dictating to the fans what they must and mustn’t do. Quite correct he will do just that, if somebody works hard all week, pays their cash over the turnstile and then see some of the lack of effort & non-descript performances over the last few years , why shouldn;t they be entitled to have a 'moan', if Mr Peters was having his car fixed & the mechanic cocked up , I'm sure he wouldn't keep his mouth shut would he .
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Post by mattsnapper2 on Feb 14, 2005 18:02:04 GMT 1
Quite correct he will do just that, if somebody works hard all week, pays their cash over the turnstile and then see some of the lack of effort & non-descript performances over the last few years , why shouldn;t they be entitled to have a 'moan', if Mr Peters was having his car fixed & the mechanic cocked up , I'm sure he wouldn't keep his mouth shut would he . so i take it you are a shrewsbury town SPECTATOR and not a shrewsbury town SUPPORTER then...
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Post by scooter on Feb 14, 2005 18:41:01 GMT 1
I don't like moaning and negative comments at the game, but I think people certainly have the right to come on here and give their views without being insulted, even if they are not logged in.
I don't see Peters' comments keeping people away, but I don't think they will help bring the occasional supporter in, becuse they have probably been moaning and stayed away.
I want to hear him sound positive, and say that we have a team worth watching, so get down to the Meadow and support them.
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Post by john on Feb 14, 2005 18:50:23 GMT 1
this seems a stupid thing to debate. why pay £12 to go to a match and moan, makes no sense.
If you want to see a good match and see your team win why moan. Nothin positive will come out of being negetive would you work to your best at work with someone standing next to shouting your useless.
Of course if the players arent putting in the maximum effort fans will let the players know but i guess gp is saying he will take care of the players and there performance and us the fans take care of showing are full support while intimidating opposing fans and players and effect the officials to are advantage and gp is completely right.
if you stand by someone who moan all the time have some balls and tell them support the team or f*** off 3000 fans is better than 3400 supporters atmosphere wise.
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Post by somersetshrew on Feb 14, 2005 18:52:33 GMT 1
Whats all this "spectator/supporter" crap?
I have no active interest in the trust, don't write for the fanzine, am not a member of any clique, and generally just go to matches when I can, make the 350 mile round trip, pay my £12, and watch the match. I cheer when we score, I dont boo when we play badly.
Am I a spectator, or a supporter, and whats more, what does it matter?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2005 19:51:30 GMT 1
"if you stand by someone who moan all the time have some balls and tell them support the team or f*** off 3000 fans is better than 3400 supporters atmosphere wise. "
Yes it would help the atmosphere, but the club need as many supporters as it can so telling someone to **** off is a clever way of reducing income for the club.
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Post by john on Feb 14, 2005 19:58:51 GMT 1
3000 fans getting behind the team will do more to help the club going in the right direction and should in tern w get the players enjoying playing at home this will reflect in the match and attract others, sometimes you have to see the big picture.
Fan- Fanatical about team. Support- lends there support to the team. Spectator- goes to spectate at a match.
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Post by MeoleShrew NLI on Feb 14, 2005 20:06:58 GMT 1
If GP's words keeps the abusive harranging down to a minimum, then Sats atmos will be superb, yep the canny chap is just egging on those who DO make the noise to crank it up another notch, Wiggy,Leah,Mrs W and I will spend another game having a laugh at those people behind us, as Mrs W said today, if they want peace and quiet sod of to the Dingle they can get the fresh air there too.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2005 20:13:08 GMT 1
3000 fans getting behind the team will do more to help the club going in the right direction and should in tern w get the players enjoying playing at home this will reflect in the match and attract others, sometimes you have to see the big picture. Fan- Fanatical about team. Support- lends there support to the team. Spectator- goes to spectate at a match. Interesting viewpoint, I hadn't thought of it like that. Somehow I can't see the club endorsing such an idea though because money is money. What ifs and the long term future do not pay todays bills.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Feb 14, 2005 20:23:08 GMT 1
I think there's alot in the specifics of what gary peters is saying that is wrong. The idea that Shrewsbury Town fans don't get on the ref's back is astounding. In fact 12 months ago we were wondering whether the tendency to get on the ref's back was becoming counter-productive.
People leaving the ground before the end of the game is not a great problem - as has already been said on here people move round the terracing to get out. They usually congregate in front of the school and leave straight on the whistle.
In fact the team were being roared forward by the crowd on the attack immediately after Sedgemore's goal was disallowed. So again Gary Peters is wrong on that particular point.
I've always said - people get behind the team when there is something to get behind. There was nothing to get behind against Wycombe, the performance was as abject as anything we've seen in the last half a dozen years - and that is saying something. A performance that left me speechless with its abject imitation of a game of football.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2005 20:29:03 GMT 1
I personally start to shout more encouragement when the town are losing and when people around me start to get negative (ask rob aka H_M_A )
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2005 20:44:28 GMT 1
Its just another example of GP's refreshing approach to management- how many previous managers have had the guts or confidence to have a go at the fans? None that I can remember?! He demanded a siege metality when he took over- all for one and one for all- judging by this thread, some of us just dont get it yet do we
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Post by MeoleShrew NLI on Feb 14, 2005 20:46:34 GMT 1
I think there's alot in the specifics of what gary peters is saying that is wrong. The idea that Shrewsbury Town fans don't get on the ref's back is astounding. In fact 12 months ago we were wondering whether the tendency to get on the ref's back was becoming counter-productive. People leaving the ground before the end of the game is not a great problem - as has already been said on here people move round the terracing to get out. They usually congregate in front of the school and leave straight on the whistle. In fact the team were being roared forward by the crowd on the attack immediately after Sedgemore's goal was disallowed. So again Gary Peters is wrong on that particular point. I've always said - people get behind the team when there is something to get behind. There was nothing to get behind against Wycombe, the performance was as abject as anything we've seen in the last half a dozen years - and that is saying something. A performance that left me speechless with its abject imitation of a game of football. You and a few others have repeated the same sort of thing over the past few weeks (months,years,decades )what I see is a genuine man for once, asking for help, from the people who want to see better football, a rise up the table etc, why s it wrong for GP to ask for help, what is wrong with back em don't nag em! I fail to see how one man can turn arund a decades worth of crap on his own!
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Post by SeanBroseley on Feb 14, 2005 20:52:25 GMT 1
You and a few others have repeated the same sort of thing over the past few weeks (months,years,decades )what I see is a genuine man for once, asking for help, from the people who want to see better football, a rise up the table etc, why s it wrong for GP to ask for help, what is wrong with back em don't nag em! I fail to see how one man can turn arund a decades worth of cr@p on his own! So you say - but the wycombe game only happened a few weeks ago. What I am pointing out is that he is making a number of points that are wrong - and do not help the case which he is trying to making.
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Post by MeoleShrew NLI on Feb 14, 2005 21:07:42 GMT 1
It just shows amongst this board by thier reactions to his words, who is positive or negative,
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Feb 14, 2005 21:11:36 GMT 1
I think GP is setting a challenge to the supporters and asking for a culture change from negative to positive.
He has set a theme of the club being a community and is telling fans that they need to be part of the team by giving unconditional support during games.
It's risky and will upset some but it's a brave attitude and I hope we can take up the challenge.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2005 21:17:12 GMT 1
What I am pointing out is that he is making a number of points that are wrong Do you think? He is aiming his criticism at a small number of people and personally, I'm all for it. Some of the personal abuse given by individuals is pathetic, people leaving early at 1-0 down is pathetic, and we don't make enough noise.
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Post by rob on Feb 14, 2005 21:21:26 GMT 1
LOL "refereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" thats just about all thats heard when we start losing Seriously if thats a dig Phil, tis a bit harsh I feel, I never openly shout abuse, i normally mutter to myself, and when we concede a goal I'm also quick to shout the old "Come on Salop". But again as Sean says, if there is nothing to get behind and the cheering/supporting isnt having much effect, I'd rather say nout then start abusing the ref.
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Post by rob on Feb 14, 2005 21:26:38 GMT 1
Really???
or maybe some of us are just adopting a realist approach.
Make no mistake a number of the "negative" people you allude to have no qualms about shouting down people who just abuse the players, chant racist abuse, sing biggoted songs etc....
A great deal of people chant and sing, shout encouragement, but you'd have to be frigging deluded to think that by doing a bit of aimless cheering/chanting etc is suddenly going to inspire a insipid performance and get the lads rocking.
Supporters can only do so much, once again it is the profesional players who are paid to turn up and play who are responsible for our results....
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Post by SeanBroseley on Feb 14, 2005 21:27:31 GMT 1
On the specific points that I have highlighted Gareth - yes he is completely wrong. I am quite clear about that.
I'll go further - seeing as you have refered to it in your posts - I do not like this targeting of people who are quiet. Gary Peters has lumped them in with the serial abusers of players and that is entirely wrong.
Alot of people I know have pretended for too long that the tripe they have endured over the years doesn't hurt. There is another aspect - fear. Why was the atmosphere so poor at the Britannia stadium - fear. pure and simple. Everything depended on that game.
I cannot remember Gareth whether Adrian Plimmer copied you in my email entitled "I want a winning team". That is the sort of approach I would take, encouraging support rather than badgering and hectoring fellow supporters who are not showing the required behaviour.
The other aspect is getting the media onside like for the Great Escape season - the Shropshire Star especially.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Feb 14, 2005 21:31:56 GMT 1
It just shows amongst this board by thier reactions to his words, who is positive or negative, No it doesn't. I don't think you get anywhere by badgering and haranguing people.
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Post by dachs on Feb 14, 2005 21:34:11 GMT 1
Do you think? He is aiming his criticism at a small number of people That's not how it reads to me. "There are a lot of fans here who deserve to be in the conference. Unfortunately if you've been doing the same thing for 20 years you get what you deserve, and Shrewsbury have got nought over 20 years." "Shrewsbury Town supporters need to do better" "People tell me that not getting behind the side is a Shrewsbury trait." I'm all for Gary, but do find some of his comments peculiar.
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Post by blum on Feb 14, 2005 21:34:19 GMT 1
WOW!!!!! Some pretty strong and passionate debating. One thing I want to add is that when the Town are cruising people don't tend to moan, but I personally think most supporters/spectators are fickle. I am confident that on Saturday, local derby against a crap side the riverside will be up for it, but beware, we start playing crap, fall behind, don't see the effort we expect and people start to moan. I know they shouldn't but it's a fact of life. I don't think that GP should have put it quite so blatently though. We have seen the last three games where we played well (when it's on the floor) the players put the effort in, and the crowd is up for it,atmosphere is great, no one leaves early (well some will eh?), moaners are drowned out ... At the end of the day we all want success...Theres just been too much pressure put on us long suffering fans for too long.. COME ON YOU SHREWS
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