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Post by zenfootball on Oct 2, 2024 9:15:21 GMT 1
Whilst it’s understandable the squad is pretty limited this season due to the budget, and you can’t fault the effort of the players you just get a sense the current set up just isn’t working. The young players have talent but are far from the end product and often look like boys against men in league one. The older players look past their best really more suited to league two than league one. Add in a pretty poor set of tactics and odd team selections and it all adds up to a pretty average set up all round In normal circumstsnces I’d say Hurst has a few games to turn it round and some heavy defeats might yet see him go. But it’s hard to see another manager or coach do better with the resources we have Depressing all round. Hats off to those still turning up, most be really tough sitting there watching us at the moment i go to all the home games but i really thought can i be bothered. i said in the thread if they score first we will lose and we did, we cant defend and we cant score. last nights game was like groundhog day. |
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Post by secretshrew on Oct 2, 2024 9:17:26 GMT 1
I didn’t go last night or nor have I have been for last few games due to holidays but is it fair to say we don’t have a settled team/set XI? It’s difficult for players to get to know each other if a team is constantly being tweaked/changed for whatever reason.
Desperately need a win but can’t see where that’s going to come from.
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Post by zenfootball on Oct 2, 2024 9:19:37 GMT 1
You can be duped into thinking for 45 minutes of most games this season, we're not a bad team and we'll get the luck of the green and eventually things will click into place. The reality is we are a shockingly awful team who have lost 7 of 9 and should have lost tonight at least 0-4 with the two quality second half saves Savin makes. The bit in the middle we do relatively ok, we can compete, put a tackle in, turn the ball over but at either ends we are just so woefully out of our depth, particularly up top. Lloyd's goal after 22 mins on Saturday is now the only shot on target we've had in the last two games. We don't know how to pass forwards. We can't take set pieces. An attacking throw-in for us on more than one occasion ended up with a chance down the other end. We rarely beat the first man from a corner. We can't defend from set pieces either. There is zero leadership on or off the pitch. This is no more evident than the endless sideways and backwards passing, every ball is 5-6 yards to feet, every pass is a low on confidence player trying to rid themselves of any liability in the next inevitable cock-up, with a sort of a 'no, you have it' gesture. There is no response whatsoever when we go a goal behind. Stockport are a good side, no bones about it. Maybe it needs a side to put 5 or 6 past us before people really see team for what it is. That’ll be Bolton on Saturday then! "Having Louie Barry, Oliver Norwood and Kyle Wootton to bring on from the bench sub showed not only a vastly superior strength in depth but also an acknowledgement that they could comfortably make several changes and still beat us tonight." i suspect there manager was resting them as he felt he could beat us without bringing them on. |
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Post by zenfootball on Oct 2, 2024 9:29:21 GMT 1
in the first half we huffed and puffed, we had some forward momentum but we just were not creating enough chances. we did nullify Stockport and they created very little. it was really frustrating how many times momentum was lost due to dreadfully poor and awful distribution. but the thing that really annoyed me was how many times we passed the ball backwards.
when our defence failed after numerous attempts to clear there lines stockpot scored.
second half Stockport went up a few gears, town created nothing. it was crying out for a tactical change but did nothing.
our keeper made four real quality saves otherwise it could have been 0-6.
Rossiter deserved credit for trying to encourage and gee up the players but it fell on deaf ears.
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Post by Exkeeper on Oct 2, 2024 9:38:44 GMT 1
Hard to justify keeping Hurst. Taylor's side never actually got into the relegation zone. Cotterill's sides started poor but were flying by now. But couldn’t buy a win in the last 10 games if his reign. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2024 9:46:42 GMT 1
Matt Taylor was woeful at the management lark but at least had the benefit of some decent players at this level, that had mostly played together the season before and were familiar with the system.
This squad we’ve got currently is a right mish-mash, lacks identity and any sort of plan.
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 2, 2024 9:59:18 GMT 1
And that’s the problem. Negativity and crying poverty all spring/ summer, conditioning fans regarding their expectations so we all knew things were going to be tough. That rubs off on players who also started the season with their heads full of negative thoughts and are now up against it thinking they’re not good enough going into games lacking any confidence. Communications a good thing but we seem to be being kept up to date on what’s happened rather than anything to bring fans together. Moods low, expectations are low, somehow the club need to keep fans on side because even the most optimistic can’t be enjoying attending home games at the moment. I’ve never known such despondency from fans around the ground with many regulars just not bothering and those that do just accepting failure. The one thing that cheered me up today was knowing everyone in the Sovereign Suit was happy with their new carpets decor and brilliant service. I wonder if the hierarchy ever tour the rest of the ground to gauge customer satisfaction, maybe they should pop into Smithy’s pre match to gauge the mood before the next game, visit the fan zone or under the West Stand. |
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Post by iestywfc on Oct 2, 2024 10:11:28 GMT 1
And that’s the problem. Negativity and crying poverty all spring/ summer, conditioning fans regarding their expectations so we all knew things were going to be tough. That rubs off on players who also started the season with their heads full of negative thoughts and are now up against it thinking they’re not good enough going into games lacking any confidence. Communications a good thing but we seem to be being kept up to date on what’s happened rather than anything to bring fans together. Moods low, expectations are low, somehow the club need to keep fans on side because even the most optimistic can’t be enjoying attending home games at the moment. I’ve never known such despondency from fans around the ground with many regulars just not bothering and those that do just accepting failure. The one thing that cheered me up today was knowing everyone in the Sovereign Suit was happy with their new carpets decor and brilliant service. I wonder if the hierarchy ever tour the rest of the ground to gauge customer satisfaction, maybe they should pop into Smithy’s pre match to gauge the mood before the next game, visit the fan zone or under the West Stand. I was handed a stale biscuit in the Sovereign if thats any consolation? |
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Post by rickyspanish on Oct 2, 2024 10:15:08 GMT 1
And that’s the problem. Negativity and crying poverty all spring/ summer, conditioning fans regarding their expectations so we all knew things were going to be tough. That rubs off on players who also started the season with their heads full of negative thoughts and are now up against it thinking they’re not good enough going into games lacking any confidence. Communications a good thing but we seem to be being kept up to date on what’s happened rather than anything to bring fans together. Moods low, expectations are low, somehow the club need to keep fans on side because even the most optimistic can’t be enjoying attending home games at the moment. I’ve never known such despondency from fans around the ground with many regulars just not bothering and those that do just accepting failure. The one thing that cheered me up today was knowing everyone in the Sovereign Suit was happy with their new carpets decor and brilliant service. I wonder if the hierarchy ever tour the rest of the ground to gauge customer satisfaction, maybe they should pop into Smithy’s pre match to gauge the mood before the next game, visit the fan zone or under the West Stand. I had no idea what you were talking about, but just read the carpet rant on the other thread 🤣🤣. Absolutely hilarious. Blue & Amber take a bow. |
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Post by zenfootball on Oct 2, 2024 12:30:15 GMT 1
Matt Taylor was woeful at the management lark but at least had the benefit of some decent players at this level, that had mostly played together the season before and were familiar with the system. This squad we’ve got currently is a right mish-mash, lacks identity and any sort of plan. i agree is it not down to the captain and manager to instil a plan and an identity ? |
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Post by Minormorris64 on Oct 2, 2024 12:38:01 GMT 1
Matt Taylor was woeful at the management lark but at least had the benefit of some decent players at this level, that had mostly played together the season before and were familiar with the system. This squad we’ve got currently is a right mish-mash, lacks identity and any sort of plan. i agree is it not down to the captain and manager to instil a plan and an identity ? Is it not the duty of the players & management to play football ?, that is apparently their "Profession", a bit of simplification of the process would not go amiss, ie. a few less hangers on in the background ?, I always understood it to be a simple game, you score more goals and win, too much "intellectual" content for Players who probably are not ? (Intellectual that is). PLAY FOOTBALL IS IT THAT HARD ? |
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Post by zenfootball on Oct 2, 2024 12:39:04 GMT 1
i agree is it not down to the captain and manager to instil a plan and an identity ? Is it not the duty of the players & management to play football ?, that is apparently their "Profession", a bit of simplification of the process would not go amiss, ie. a few less hangers on in the background ?, I always understood it to be a simple game, you score more goals and win, too much "intellectual" content for Players who probably are not ? (Intellectual that is). PLAY FOOTBALL IS IT THAT HARD ? with this squad it seems like it |
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 2, 2024 13:13:32 GMT 1
And that’s the problem. Negativity and crying poverty all spring/ summer, conditioning fans regarding their expectations so we all knew things were going to be tough. That rubs off on players who also started the season with their heads full of negative thoughts and are now up against it thinking they’re not good enough going into games lacking any confidence. Communications a good thing but we seem to be being kept up to date on what’s happened rather than anything to bring fans together. Moods low, expectations are low, somehow the club need to keep fans on side because even the most optimistic can’t be enjoying attending home games at the moment. I’ve never known such despondency from fans around the ground with many regulars just not bothering and those that do just accepting failure. The one thing that cheered me up today was knowing everyone in the Sovereign Suit was happy with their new carpets decor and brilliant service. I wonder if the hierarchy ever tour the rest of the ground to gauge customer satisfaction, maybe they should pop into Smithy’s pre match to gauge the mood before the next game, visit the fan zone or under the West Stand. I was handed a stale biscuit in the Sovereign if thats any consolation? Custard Cream? |
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Post by southstandviewer on Oct 2, 2024 13:42:24 GMT 1
A thoroughly disappointing night all round really apart from Savin. First half Tom B looked to be our only attacker with any real threat, Lloyd tried but on his own is ineffective.
Yes we had one chance early on whereby it was blocked but that was it really for the night.
Second half I think is really down to Stockport, I think teams are quite happy for us to play it around for 45, they get the measure of us and then pick up the tempo and we cannot cope. Their number 4 was all over the pitch demanding the ball and basically running the show, we have no one who comes close to displaying that ability or confidence. Despite their left winger having a really poor game and being subbed we couldn’t capitalise on any mistakes he made.
As for Hurst saying we were on top in the second half, that is just not true. We may have had possession but it was always sideways and back.
Hard to say anything really positive.
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Post by iestywfc on Oct 2, 2024 13:52:46 GMT 1
I was handed a stale biscuit in the Sovereign if thats any consolation? Custard Cream? Shortcake actually |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 2, 2024 13:55:11 GMT 1
And that’s the problem. Negativity and crying poverty all spring/ summer, conditioning fans regarding their expectations so we all knew things were going to be tough. That rubs off on players who also started the season with their heads full of negative thoughts and are now up against it thinking they’re not good enough going into games lacking any confidence. Communications a good thing but we seem to be being kept up to date on what’s happened rather than anything to bring fans together. Moods low, expectations are low, somehow the club need to keep fans on side because even the most optimistic can’t be enjoying attending home games at the moment. I’ve never known such despondency from fans around the ground with many regulars just not bothering and those that do just accepting failure. The one thing that cheered me up today was knowing everyone in the Sovereign Suit was happy with their new carpets decor and brilliant service. I wonder if the hierarchy ever tour the rest of the ground to gauge customer satisfaction, maybe they should pop into Smithy’s pre match to gauge the mood before the next game, visit the fan zone or under the West Stand. I had no idea what you were talking about, but just read the carpet rant on the other thread 🤣🤣. Absolutely hilarious. Blue & Amber take a bow. I heard potential buyers were being shown around last night and went into the sov suite, I guess this is the norm as they tend not to get shown around the likes of the west stand , so with the fact the club has been trying to sell for years without luck ,so the news that last month they gave the sov suite a brand new look and also enforced the dress code suggests to me just how desperate the club is to gain a new owner and yet this is mocked my fans who want nothing else but for us to sell up its incredible how short sighted some fans really are |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 2, 2024 14:01:47 GMT 1
A thoroughly disappointing night all round really apart from Savin. First half Tom B looked to be our only attacker with any real threat, Lloyd tried but on his own is ineffective. Yes we had one chance early on whereby it was blocked but that was it really for the night. Second half I think is really down to Stockport, I think teams are quite happy for us to play it around for 45, they get the measure of us and then pick up the tempo and we cannot cope. Their number 4 was all over the pitch demanding the ball and basically running the show, we have no one who comes close to displaying that ability or confidence. Despite their left winger having a really poor game and being subbed we couldn’t capitalise on any mistakes he made. As for Hurst saying we were on top in the second half, that is just not true. We may have had possession but it was always sideways and back. Hard to say anything really positive. I tell you what annoyed me most last night, the times J Feeney had the ball just outside our area, usually as a result of a broken down attack from us, he clearly isn't a 'Franz beckenbaur' type central defender who can run with the ball, he also had no one showing for him, so he turns to his one option, pass back to Savin this is the point the noise starts from the crowd, the heckles, boos, moans, "get it forward", "ffs" , "that way". "back again" guys please stop!, we have a keeper who is a ball player, one who is facing the traffic too, he can pass the ball, hes accurate , hes everything Marosi wasnt with his feet, he's a better option with the ball at his feet than J Feeney as far as the next attack goes |
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Post by iestywfc on Oct 2, 2024 14:14:26 GMT 1
I had no idea what you were talking about, but just read the carpet rant on the other thread 🤣🤣. Absolutely hilarious. Blue & Amber take a bow. I heard potential buyers were being shown around last night and went into the sov suite, I guess this is the norm as they tend not to get shown around the likes of the west stand , so with the fact the club has been trying to sell for years without luck ,so the news that last month they gave the sov suite a brand new look and also enforced the dress code suggests to me just how desperate the club is to gain a new owner and yet this is mocked my fans who want nothing else but for us to sell up its incredible how short sighted some fans really are New owners in the Sov.... my first visit there.....  Maybe Dave and Sam have made megabucks off their podcast they were lording it up in there last night |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 2, 2024 14:21:46 GMT 1
I heard potential buyers were being shown around last night and went into the sov suite, I guess this is the norm as they tend not to get shown around the likes of the west stand , so with the fact the club has been trying to sell for years without luck ,so the news that last month they gave the sov suite a brand new look and also enforced the dress code suggests to me just how desperate the club is to gain a new owner and yet this is mocked my fans who want nothing else but for us to sell up its incredible how short sighted some fans really are New owners in the Sov.... my first visit there..... Maybe Dave and Sam have made megabucks off their podcast they were lording it up in there last night lets get this straight, given the choice last night, you could have either watched wrexham live or on sky tv, but instead you chose to visit a rivals ground as there was a free stale biscuit on offer |
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Post by venceremos on Oct 2, 2024 14:22:42 GMT 1
I haven't been to any games this season but I watched most of last night's (I missed the opening minutes and switched off when they scored their second).
It's a difficult one. Between the penalty areas I though the team played quite well. It was much better to watch than the sideways passing until Dunkley launched it forward (often for a goal kick) that I got used to last season. There was some nice linked passing and movement and Savin is clearly a keeper who helps build from the back as well.
Unfortunately, the attack was lightweight to non-existent. That's largely because the final ball was so poor, but also because nobody seemed to attempt to make a run in front of a defender, apart from one instance where Lloyd just failed to get a touch.
Defensively the team looks fragile, and Stockport opened us up with ease in the second half. That's not all on the back four because we didn't seem to have much in the way of defensive midfield to shield them.
We didn't look like a team that will get battered too often, but we looked like a team that is comfortably beatable.
I can't judge individual players because I haven't seen enough of them (although I was amazed that Gilliead wasn't replaced). The loanees looked like talented lads but they're never the cream of the crop (or they wouldn't be here!) and they need more support from senior players to form part of an effective team. I imagine Castledine, Sagoe jr & O'Reilly could look really good with better support but we're obviously lacking that.
Here's hoping the sale happens in time for some recruitment in January, but it might already be too late by then.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2024 16:35:32 GMT 1
Everything seems to be pinned on the hopes of young Castledine, who probably had the best effort for Town last night, along with Lloyd who had a similar chance (though further away from goal) to Saturday.
As Hurst sarcastically said about research, opposition team probably do it, realise its fine to give Shrewsbury the ball, they won't do too much with it and then pick them off when needed.
Opposition goalkeepers rarely have saves to make.
Interesting that Town had a very similar free kick to Stockport at the start of the second half, yet couldn't cause any of the problems that Stockport did.
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Post by venceremos on Oct 2, 2024 16:57:03 GMT 1
Interesting that Town had a very similar free kick to Stockport at the start of the second half, yet couldn't cause any of the problems that Stockport did. To be fair to Town, at the free kick that produced the first goal it looked like there were a couple of pushes on Town players that some refs would have blown for a free kick, not least the decisive one that made Castledine head it back towards his own goal. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 2, 2024 16:58:52 GMT 1
I appreciate fans are fed up and getting increasingly frustrated.
I don't like it when pass the ball back too often .however if there is no out ball or a lack of movement from the midfield what choice do they have ? It has happened less this season but did happen fairly often last night.
A fan in the next block was having a go at young Feeney , then when Castledine was anywhere near, he was having a go at him. Both are young players, I would imagine moral and confidence is rock bottom without fans having a go at them through the game
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Post by randomtictacs on Oct 2, 2024 21:59:31 GMT 1
I was there . Unfortunately. Head -shakingly infuriating 'performance' against a bang-average league 1 side that created zilch in the first half up until the point that we decided to gift them a set piece in a dangerous area , and then a goal. Munchkins cannot defend aerially - stop asking them to do that , including our limp-wristed approach to defending corners where there is never anyone to even contest any out-ball or clearance . Try leaving a munchkin upfield, out of the way. Savin and our set piece takers (Mal B was the culprit today) also need to go to faster-pussycat-distribution school.........just create some pressure or even a bit of a crowd buzz by doing things faster and putting the opposition on the back foot, even occasionally. Please.
The manager has got them playing the ball around a bit better and set up reasonably well in first halves - the evidence is there - we dont get outplayed in the first half. Problem is (as per the 2017-18 season) he appears to be incredibly inflexible in his tactics and unable to make changes to affect the outcome of a game, in time , or at all. All teams in this league, even those poor ones with average managers will 'bust' whatever plan or set up we have in the first half in the second, its partly down to the larger size (and quality) of squads (compared to ours) and number of substitutions allowed these days. More pro-active , less reactive...........oh , and just give the ball to Charlie Sagoe Junior. He will win us matches.
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