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Post by Pilch on Sept 28, 2024 20:46:56 GMT 1
Dodgy penalty to say the least , dodgy second half too , I feared we were going to lose just before they scored so a point was ok but again we could have gone in a half time a couple of goals up and finished outside the bottom 4
Fine margins as they say
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2024 21:31:36 GMT 1
Just seen the replay of the penalty from a Rotherham fan on Social Media who also doesn't think its a penalty.
What is Benning supposed to do there, there is no problem with jumping with a leg up.
Usurpingly Steve Evans thinks the opposite.
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Post by tractorshrew on Sept 28, 2024 21:33:38 GMT 1
Decent first half but our performance in the second wasn’t good enough. These are the teams we should be beating, the fact we can’t makes me worry about whether we can stay in this league.
Don’t like to criticise players but…
Morgan Feeney is good in the air but his distribution is terrible. In the last 15 minutes Savin was delaying our goal kicks like we were 3-0 up. Lloyd works very hard but needs help up front.
Need a win soon.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2024 21:35:10 GMT 1
Team played for the draw particularly for most of the second half.
That's a team low on confidence but things will get better.
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Post by Pilch on Sept 28, 2024 22:11:03 GMT 1
Just one criticism , I know Perry likes to get forward and didn't we all when we played football but his recent good performances that we were all over were from him playing defensively In the middle , at the same time we had Shipley coming on and dropping back
, just seemed to me that we had these two the wrong way round
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2024 1:22:21 GMT 1
Yes I thought that a little too Pilch with Perry. I suspect Perry was brought on instead of Rossiter who still might not be the fittest (that's why I don't understand why Young isn't on the bench).
It would have been great to have had TOR of the bench on for Castledine as a swap.
Some of the young guys on loan struggle to play men's football for 90 mins, but I think from seeing them that they have the heart for it this season.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2024 1:29:06 GMT 1
From seeing the other angle of the Benning foul (front on and shown on the STFC YouTube Feed) it does look worse but I'm still not sure that's a penalty.
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Post by ProudSalopian on Sept 29, 2024 6:24:33 GMT 1
I'm still not seeing much of this attacking & entertaining football that some are suggesting. Yes we are at least trying to play football and keep possession but apart from a (well worked) goal and the shot from Leo, what did we create? For large parts of the game nothing happened and for much of the second half we were wasting time, particularly after they equalised
Just seen a clip of the penalty and still don't think it was one, yes Benning's foot is up but so is the strikers. Why is it that when two players put their foot up, the players who wins the ball gets penalised? You see this constantly in games
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Post by pughywasfree on Sept 29, 2024 7:13:09 GMT 1
Just seen the pen in slow mo.
If that is technically a pen then it shouldn't be. Foot was chest high with both players jumping for the ball. Benning wins it clearly and attacker kicks Benning's calf before going down like he was shot.
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Post by pughywasfree on Sept 29, 2024 7:21:36 GMT 1
Atmosphere is p**s poor these days. Few hearty souls giving it there best but its terrible in 19 these days. Southstand didn't look very active either.
Even after the ref winding up the crowd there was very little.
I was always proud of our vocal support. We always seem to do better than most other home fans I have experienced. It's a shame how its ended up. A few renditions of blue amber army and that's it.
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Post by zenfootball on Sept 29, 2024 8:20:13 GMT 1
I think a draw is probably fair. For me that was our 2nd worst performance this season (behind Wrexham). Our passing was very poor. Big fan of Winchester but he was poor today. Both full backs were very wasteful with the ball Lloyd did great and finally got the goal he deserved but he stayed on the pitch 40 minutes longer than he should have, the lad was nakered. Ojo has grown on me a lot and is our star midfielder at the moment. Gillied is wasted on the wing, consistently average Sagoe Jr has shown what he is capable this season but he struggled to pull anything off today Can we stop taking Castledine off. We have nobody on the bench that matches his quality even when he is tired. Penalty was a joke, the clearance endangered nobody. Rotherham players didn't even appeal. Hurst again was poor with his subs imo. Too late and none of them had any real impact. Get 3 of them on at 20-25 minutes to go like we keep seeing the opposition do most weeks. Being unable to hold onto a lead is becoming a real concern. The fact we was time wasting at 1-1 against beatable opposition was also concerning. I understand if you can't win draw but we caused just as many problems going forward as Rotherham did. i wonder why Castledine keeps getting subbed ?. he had a good game nearly scored the second and had some good link up play he is always trying to make something happen. he works very hard so it may be that he has run out of steam. |
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Post by zenfootball on Sept 29, 2024 8:23:16 GMT 1
Just one criticism , I know Perry likes to get forward and didn't we all when we played football but his recent good performances that we were all over were from him playing defensively In the middle , at the same time we had Shipley coming on and dropping back , just seemed to me that we had these two the wrong way round i like Perry in the holding midfielder role ,he was very effective in the position ,but when he goes in to an attacking midfield role ,he runs around like a clueless headless chicken |
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Post by zenfootball on Sept 29, 2024 8:23:48 GMT 1
i thought Ojo did well today
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Post by zenfootball on Sept 29, 2024 8:28:07 GMT 1
Can we talk about Shipley completely missing an absolute sitter! I bet he puts that away 9/10 times. I thought he arrived just a fraction too late for the ball. that is the difference between Shipley and Castledine as Castledine anticipation is much better as he moves for balls he expects to be played to him. |
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Post by zenfootball on Sept 29, 2024 8:31:44 GMT 1
Probably a more damning result and performance than any defeat we've had this season. If we accept we're going to get beaten by most teams in the this league, to have any hope of staying up we have to win games against opponents that are there for the taking and Rotherham absolutely were. Would need to see the penalty again but if it's given for a high foot then we can't have too many complaints. But yet again it feels our entire performance teeters on the first moment of adversity we're faced with and we're unable to respond and try and win the game again. I don't think their keeper touched the ball second half. Can only detect a lack of leadership and belief in our own ability. I've never seen a team so unwilling to keep the ball. Our goal was a real gem of a counter attack but counter attacking is really about all we have. We only seem to be able to make about three complete passes before every angle becomes narrowed and the player in possession is left with no option but to aimlessly loft the ball into the channels in the hope Lloyd might be able to do something with it. Rinse and repeat. For the first time this season I'm contemplating not only is the squad woefully inadequate but also that the manager is contributing to our downfall with questionable selection and tactics. Can't see anything other than two defeats in the next two games but hope I'm proven otherwise. i agree, you sum up excatly why we are struggling and not picking up more points. |
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Post by ProudSalopian on Sept 29, 2024 8:34:36 GMT 1
Some random stats I've come across online
We didn't have a single shot (on or off target) after the 28th minute
In the second half we didn't have the ball in Rotherham's box until the 77th minute
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Post by davycrockett on Sept 29, 2024 8:56:15 GMT 1
Worst penalty decision I have ever seen. Not so sure. If you look at the slow motion as Bennings high foot comes down it brings their player down. Harsh maybe but was dangerous with Benning going for a ball with his foot close to the players head. Think we’d have screamed for it the other way round. |
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Post by pughywasfree on Sept 29, 2024 9:06:48 GMT 1
Worst penalty decision I have ever seen. Not so sure. If you look at the slow motion as Bennings high foot comes down it brings their player down. Harsh maybe but was dangerous with Benning going for a ball with his foot close to the players head. Think we’d have screamed for it the other way round. From the replay I can see why it was given but it is still very very harsh. Benning won the ball without touching the attacker, the attacker kicked Benning's leg and went down like he was shot. If Benning had put his foot up towards the attacker I could take it more but they were at a 90 degrees to each other. |
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Post by davycrockett on Sept 29, 2024 9:15:54 GMT 1
Not so sure. If you look at the slow motion as Bennings high foot comes down it brings their player down. Harsh maybe but was dangerous with Benning going for a ball with his foot close to the players head. Think we’d have screamed for it the other way round. From the replay I can see why it was given but it is still very very harsh. Benning won the ball without touching the attacker, the attacker kicked Benning's leg and went down like he was shot. If Benning had put his foot up towards the attacker I could take it more but they were at a 90 degrees to each other. Yes but he touched him after he won the ball, as his high leg came down on top of the players bent leg above the knee and sort of bought him down with it. I’ll put the clip up if I can find it again |
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Post by Pilch on Sept 29, 2024 9:18:54 GMT 1
I think a draw is probably fair. For me that was our 2nd worst performance this season (behind Wrexham). Our passing was very poor. Big fan of Winchester but he was poor today. Both full backs were very wasteful with the ball Lloyd did great and finally got the goal he deserved but he stayed on the pitch 40 minutes longer than he should have, the lad was nakered. Ojo has grown on me a lot and is our star midfielder at the moment. Gillied is wasted on the wing, consistently average Sagoe Jr has shown what he is capable this season but he struggled to pull anything off today Can we stop taking Castledine off. We have nobody on the bench that matches his quality even when he is tired. Penalty was a joke, the clearance endangered nobody. Rotherham players didn't even appeal. Hurst again was poor with his subs imo. Too late and none of them had any real impact. Get 3 of them on at 20-25 minutes to go like we keep seeing the opposition do most weeks. Being unable to hold onto a lead is becoming a real concern. The fact we was time wasting at 1-1 against beatable opposition was also concerning. I understand if you can't win draw but we caused just as many problems going forward as Rotherham did. i wonder why Castledine keeps getting subbed ?. he had a good game nearly scored the second and had some good link up play he is always trying to make something happen. he works very hard so it may be that he has run out of steam. to me he hits the wall around the hour mark , he was flagging just before they scored yesterday as I noticed him half heartedly chasing a player only for him to give up , if he could work in his stamina he could be a match winner most weeks |
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Post by BlueAndAmber50 on Sept 29, 2024 9:28:02 GMT 1
Hurst has said both Castledine & Sago Jnr both aren’t fit enough yet to last 90 minutes and both fade around 60. The plan is to build them up so they can last the full 90.
Academy football and real football are totally different games played at different tempos
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2024 10:03:38 GMT 1
A real shame not to win, Rotherham were there for the taking and the most limited side (aside from us) that I’ve seen this season. First half was an even game that I’d say we had the better of, second half we sadly barely got a kick. The referee was very much on their side but an equaliser felt inevitable.
When you look at pre-season predictions, resources and everything you’d say Rotherham are bigger and better than us, but based purely on what we saw yesterday, if we can’t win that game we’re not going to win many.
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Post by davycrockett on Sept 29, 2024 10:16:16 GMT 1
From the replay I can see why it was given but it is still very very harsh. Benning won the ball without touching the attacker, the attacker kicked Benning's leg and went down like he was shot. If Benning had put his foot up towards the attacker I could take it more but they were at a 90 degrees to each other. Yes but he touched him after he won the ball, as his high leg came down on top of the players bent leg above the knee and sort of bought him down with it. I’ll put the clip up if I can find it again Note Bennings leg comes down on top of the other players leg and with the momentum bringing him down. www.facebook.com/groups/799466370152320/permalink/8244029805695902/? |
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Post by Exkeeper on Sept 29, 2024 10:28:16 GMT 1
What upset Pierre at full time? He looked as though he wanted to “take someone out” as he approached the away end. Luckily he was restrained by his team mates.
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Post by flixo84 on Sept 29, 2024 10:45:59 GMT 1
Why on earth he brought Perry on. He runs around like a headless chicken and when he does get the ball he doesn’t know what to do with it. As for Bloxham he never chases the ball or tackles back. Pierre is simply a donkey. Why didn’t he put Nurse in wth Feeney. More strange decisions by Hurst. The matches that Perry has started this season he has looked very good, so no surprise to see him come on. |
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Post by camdenshrew on Sept 29, 2024 11:34:55 GMT 1
Yes, Perry looks decent when given a disciplined defensive midfield role to sit, break up play and hit a simple pass. But if he takes an attacking or free role, he achieves very little other than increasing his step count.
Just watched the extended highlights of the game and iFollow really were struggling to pad out the time. There seemed to be more shots of Big Steve looking grumpy/bored on the touchline than anything on the pitch.
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Post by Pilch on Sept 29, 2024 11:40:19 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2024 11:46:34 GMT 1
What upset Pierre at full time? He looked as though he wanted to “take someone out” as he approached the away end. Luckily he was restrained by his team mates. Didn't see it but I heard Steve Cross mention it on the radio, He might have been getting stick from the Rotherham end. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2024 11:50:09 GMT 1
Just for it, I'd go
Feeney.M 7.5
Lloyd 7
Castledine 7
Ojo 6.5
Gilliead 6.5
Feeney. J 6.5
Savin 6.5
Sagoe 6
Winchester 6
Benning 5.5
Hoole 5.5
All the subs played there part, to be fair to Bloxham he took up position on the right, Pierre looked solid enough, Perry and Shipley did what they were brought on for - closing out the game.
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Post by Exkeeper on Sept 29, 2024 11:50:29 GMT 1
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