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Post by gobowenshrew on Sept 8, 2024 17:11:22 GMT 1
No problem at all with the police. Seems like those who had issues were probably looking for them.
Of course if you're getting the train to Wrexham on derby day you're going to met with a police escort, for your sake as much as anyone elses.
I thought the coppers who lead the route back to the station were much friendlier than those at other grounds I've been to, if not a little disorganised. One copper accidentally caught the back of my shoe causing it to almost come off my foot completely but offered his back to lean on so I could keep up with the group.
Rather than pile on like sardines for the first train returning after the game, we were told by an officer that another one was about 20 mins behind this one so we could wait for that. Glad we did as we had almost a full carriage to ourselves. At no point were we "forced" on any train.
The ground itself is cramped as hell, not ideal if you're claustrophobic on a hot day. Literally nowhere to go apart from to congregate on the stairs where there was the tightest of openings for where the buffet and toilets are. View from the top tier was also not the best.
First time I've ever been to Wrexham on the train. Decent that it allowed for lunchtime drinking in Salop before getting the train at half 1 and still having a decent amount of time to get in the ground. Much preferable to spend one's money in Salop than in the businesses around Wrexham. Another bonus was being able to get in and out relatively quickly and reducing interactions with their insufferable supporters.
Not the best away day experience off the pitch but not the worst either. On it, well that's a different story.
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Post by davycrockett on Sept 8, 2024 17:21:17 GMT 1
Travel no problem. Parking, pre booked at Wrexham Central long stay £5 no problems North Wales Police. Better than at previous Derbys seemed well used to big crowds / occasions, polite, not too controlling and left you alone if you were just there for the game. Designated pub. Avoided so thanks for the tip off from the Police…. Walked up Mold Rd to Maesgwyn Hall very welcoming, very busy, very well organised, very friendly. Ground facilities, ver poor, no bar, very small understaffed buffet but a good view. (a catering van outside away end would help before game and at half time and maybe an away fan zone) Think anyone who visits would be impressed (even jealous) putting football rivalry apart Pretty sure you’ll get other views but it was a great away day except the game. Should add, avoided the train at all costs. That sounds pretty good and positive. Might have to experience it next season. Although Wrexham are going one way and Shrewsbury the other. I wish it wasn’t quite as positive 🤞 we’ll be there next year…. |
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Post by pughywasfree on Sept 8, 2024 17:34:14 GMT 1
I know this is a messageboard for discussion but do we really have to go over the same stuff every single time we lose.
I suggest MOD's make more of an effort to move OT discussions to a more appropriate thread.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2024 17:41:09 GMT 1
I know this is a messageboard for discussion but do we really have to go over the same stuff every single time we lose. I suggest MOD's make more of an effort to move OT discussions to a more appropriate thread. I did suggest that the finance discussion from last evening onwards could be moved to the Chairman's statement or a new thread. I'm not a MOD anymore so I can't action my suggestion. |
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Post by Pilch on Sept 8, 2024 18:29:33 GMT 1
I know this is a messageboard for discussion but do we really have to go over the same stuff every single time we lose. I suggest MOD's make more of an effort to move OT discussions to a more appropriate thread. I totally agree but whenever I make that sort of sensible decision I have to spend the next hour deleting snipes saying things like, oh where's the posts gone again, or hello what happened here, where did my post go, is this North Korea ?, oh the club have ordered Pilch to delete posts, I'll even get a few private snipes via pm, and then it creates a moderating debate where the same few can attempt to start a fire about certain mods all because the town lost and they need to throw their teddy at someone ( not hurst though, hes only the manager )  nothing will change the cancel culture until town next win |
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Post by belfastshrew on Sept 8, 2024 18:48:05 GMT 1
So with people moaning about moore and Roland how long will they give Hurst? Askey was getting boos by now and just 21 games but won 5 if we don't get another win in 10 does he get the same treatment? Same as ricketts or is he still the messiah in people's eyes? Pointless. Who would we get in to replace Hurst??? After paying off Hursts contract...we would have even less money...even Mourinho on £50m a year wouldn't do a better job. This is why Hurst is getting some slack. He's recruited with one hand behind his back. We have no choice but to get behind him. |
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Post by Pilch on Sept 8, 2024 18:55:29 GMT 1
So with people moaning about moore and Roland how long will they give Hurst? Askey was getting boos by now and just 21 games but won 5 if we don't get another win in 10 does he get the same treatment? Same as ricketts or is he still the messiah in people's eyes? Pointless. Who would we get in to replace Hurst??? After paying off Hursts contract...we would have even less money...even Mourinho on £50m a year wouldn't do a better job. This is why Hurst is getting some slack. He's recruited with one hand behind his back. We have no choice but to get behind him. thats exactly why I was so vocal with previous managers , I firmly believe changing a manager results in only one thing, and thats a knock on financial problem, it can also result in the guy leading us to poor results being rewarded for it with a pay off, as I always say, just follow the light and see where it goes ;-) |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 8, 2024 19:01:56 GMT 1
In his interviewing the Shropshire star" Hurst said town gave Wrexham a helping hand"
I actually feel sorry for Hurst, with one hand tied behind is back and limited funding, this season was always going to be an uphill struggle.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2024 19:18:48 GMT 1
I didn't get chance to really comment on the latest Micky Moore open letter but my main thoughts was this.
Was it an opportunity to lay the foundations of blame towards Paul Hurst 'Paul wanted this player and this type of player'?
I'm very against making reference to non thread discussions but I couldn't help think its a chance for Moore to feather his own nest.
Imagine having to deal with the Wrexham juggernaut and then that as well.
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Post by ssshrew on Sept 8, 2024 19:32:15 GMT 1
Well if it’s true that Hurst wanted the players, I don’t see the problem. It’s what everyone here wanted - Hurst to choose the players.
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Post by ssshrew on Sept 8, 2024 19:33:33 GMT 1
In his interviewing the Shropshire star" Hurst said town gave Wrexham a helping hand" I actually feel sorry for Hurst, with one hand tied behind is back and limited funding, this season was always going to be an uphill struggle. But surely he knew the situation when he took the job. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 8, 2024 19:50:06 GMT 1
In his interviewing the Shropshire star" Hurst said town gave Wrexham a helping hand" I actually feel sorry for Hurst, with one hand tied behind is back and limited funding, this season was always going to be an uphill struggle. But surely he knew the situation when he took the job. [br [.you make a fair point .He may have known there was issues, but the club in the past has been less than transparent, so he might have not know the full extent of what a mess the club was in till he was in the job. At the end nd of the day only he can answer how much did he know. He does have a thankless job. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2024 20:04:40 GMT 1
Tactically quite wrong yesterday.
I worry about the confidence or Taylor Perry ,O'Reilly will be fine. But there needed to be hard working creative players who could hurt Wrexham. That didn't happen.
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Post by Pilch on Sept 8, 2024 20:35:54 GMT 1
Tactically quite wrong yesterday. I worry about the confidence or Taylor Perry ,O'Reilly will be fine. But there needed to be hard working creative players who could hurt Wrexham. That didn't happen. hes becoming a very reactive manager since returning , too late with subs, too late with tweaking on the pitch during games huddersfield away, that cross from the right to the back post was rehearsed several times before it was perfected, carbon copies each time, and only at half time did we attend to it, far too late Wrexhams opening goal exactly the same move again, and almost twice they pulled it off, all along we have feeney on the bench but lets give toto the chance to make one more mistake first tom, poor starter this season, then almost bags 3 as a super sub, so he starts him again and nothing comes of it yesterday 3-0 , game over, only then he makes 3 changes Perry , I've been a big critic, but that guy not only deserved a start yesterday he at least deserved to appear before their 3rd goal, as someone mentioned he must have had the morale completely drained out of him yesterday little guy up front on his own was just a non starter v giants at the back, we'd have been far better playing without a top man and allowing someone like orielly to roam free , most sides just dont expect it, our midfield wasnt too bad at times yesterday, another guy in there might have caused wrexham much more problems |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2024 21:09:58 GMT 1
One wonders about Marquis as well he could have been used to good effect to bully the Wrexham defence.
Is there a space for Marquis, Lloyd, Castledine and O'Reilly in the same attack?
I hope Perry is back in the starting XI didn't think I'd say that but big credit to the kid.
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Post by darkshrew on Sept 8, 2024 21:51:58 GMT 1
Would be very worrying if the club is still sustaining significant losses each month, to the state that the boardmembers are having to put their own money each month to sustain us. Its possibly throwing the towel in a bit early, but with the start to the season we've had an little sign of any new investment coming in would it perhaps not be better to start considering putting the club into administration rather than the board continue to use their own money, which appears to be disaperaing rapidly with no obvious sign of change happening. Its not sustainable for them as individuals or us as a club. Maybe best to take the hit on the points this season, accept the inevitable relegation and start setting a realistic budget that doesn't require the significant subsidy the club relys on now, to allow some kind of stability to be established back in league 2 I think it’s credit to the Chairman that he is not pulling the plug. I’m certainly not a fan of his but he is now putting his money where his mouth is. Trouble is I think our budget is likely not good enough for the top half of League 2. I worry that there may be a point that he thinks that he won’t get his valuation of the club and maybe the loan he is currently building up in the club to him won’t get paid back. If he thinks that he is throwing good money after bad AND the fans are giving him grief then it will be a cliff edge moment. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2024 22:36:52 GMT 1
Well if it’s true that Hurst wanted the players, I don’t see the problem. It’s what everyone here wanted - Hurst to choose the players. But didn't Matt Taylor want the players as well and then paid the price with his job? |
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Post by akpaakpost on Sept 8, 2024 22:42:20 GMT 1
Well if it’s true that Hurst wanted the players, I don’t see the problem. It’s what everyone here wanted - Hurst to choose the players. He did choose the players but that doesn’t mean he thinks they’re the perfect ones for him. You’d do your weekly shop a lot differently if your budget was £30 instead of maybe £100. He picked players with a budget that was given to him, he’d have probably recruited a lot differently if it was a better budget. For example look at all our loans, they’re premier league for a reason, and it’s got everything to do with how much of their wage we have to cover. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2024 22:51:56 GMT 1
Still I hope there will be some good eggs in the squad to avoid relegation,
Savin is a decent keeper along with Feeney, Gilliead, Winchester, Lloyd, Marquis, Sagoe Jnr, O'Reilly, Perry, Castledine, there is either quality or desire or both. A lot of the poorer sides will struggle with them.
Its the defence that worries me, Wrexham were kind at keeping it to 3.
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Post by ssshrew on Sept 9, 2024 7:45:00 GMT 1
Well if it’s true that Hurst wanted the players, I don’t see the problem. It’s what everyone here wanted - Hurst to choose the players. But didn't Matt Taylor want the players as well and then paid the price with his job? Yes he did. So I don’t understand why people are still blaming Moore. He is just doing the paperwork. |
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Post by Pilch on Sept 9, 2024 7:56:49 GMT 1
But didn't Matt Taylor want the players as well and then paid the price with his job? Yes he did. So I don’t understand why people are still blaming Moore. He is just doing the paperwork. It's because fans will never admit they were wrong , If we win next week they will sing paul hursts barmy army If we lose it will be negative snipes towards the chairman and Micky Moore The only bit they seem to admit is they are barmy 😀 |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 9, 2024 8:15:35 GMT 1
Well if it’s true that Hurst wanted the players, I don’t see the problem. It’s what everyone here wanted - Hurst to choose the players. He did choose the players but that doesn’t mean he thinks they’re the perfect ones for him. You’d do your weekly shop a lot differently if your budget was £30 instead of maybe £100. He picked players with a budget that was given to him, he’d have probably recruited a lot differently if it was a better budget. For example look at all our loans, they’re premier league for a reason, and it’s got everything to do with how much of their wage we have to cover. I like the shopping analogy ,clearly with some players town went to poundland. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 9, 2024 8:25:20 GMT 1
But didn't Matt Taylor want the players as well and then paid the price with his job? Yes he did. So I don’t understand why people are still blaming Moore. He is just doing the paperwork. When Moore joined I got the impression possibly wrongly that he had some influence on the players who were brought to the club, whilst Taylor coached the squad he was given. Again I'm only speculating but when Hurst joined us I got the impression he chose the players and Moore did the paperwork. So if that is the case you are right it is unfair to blame Moore. I can't say I am a fan of Hurst but I do feel sorry for him as with a small budget ,he probably has had to make a lot of compromises and not assemble the squad he would like as he did when he was with us the first time. Somone used the shopping analogy and it does feel with some players we have been to Poundland. When things are going wrong people look for someone to blame, Moore appointment was not a universaly popular one, Hurst also divieds opinion, so depending on which camp you sit will influence who you blame. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2024 8:42:43 GMT 1
We know that the Chairman had loaned the club around £1 million upto the end of March interest free. That figure is no doubt growing. It's money that will also no doubt return to him with more in due course once the inevitable sale takes place.
It is odd that anyone would suggest that a single individual is 'saving the club'.
The thought currently running through my head is whether relegation would be welcome or not and whether the club have hopefully financially planned for a 2025/6 in League Two.
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Post by ProudSalopian on Sept 9, 2024 8:47:45 GMT 1
But didn't Matt Taylor want the players as well and then paid the price with his job? Yes he did. So I don’t understand why people are still blaming Moore. He is just doing the paperwork. In his own words, it's a bit more than just paperwork: Moore continued: "And then my responsibilities are also the recruitment of players. Traditionally managers will go out there and look to sign the players and everything like that but that responsibility will fall upon me to look and bring in the right players for the club.
Now this was from not long after he joined us when he was working with an inexperienced head coach, things have obviously changed since then and perhaps Paul Hurst is now more hands on with the recruitment than Matt Taylor was. The way I see it is if Moore is still heavily involved in recruitment then his record isn't great and that's why he gets criticism, however if he isn't then you can can argue the role he was brought in to do is now redundant. Saying that, I do agree that Paul Hurst should be questioned because his record since returning isn't great, yes he's limited because of the budget but that won't be a surprise to him, but regardless it wasn't a poor budget which made him drop Perry & TOR at the weekend. I said on a thread a few weeks ago that he's arguably a very lucky manager in the sense that because of the circumstances at the club, he won't be on the receiving end of criticism from fans, it will be the chairman and DOF that are. |
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Post by iestywfc on Sept 9, 2024 9:13:25 GMT 1
Not here to gloat on what turned out to be a one sided game. More interested on how the away day experience panned out for your supporters. Travel? Designated bar? North Wales police? Stadium facilities? Travel no problem. Parking, pre booked at Wrexham Central long stay £5 no problems North Wales Police. Better than at previous Derbys seemed well used to big crowds / occasions, polite, not too controlling and left you alone if you were just there for the game. Designated pub. Avoided so thanks for the tip off from the Police…. Walked up Mold Rd to Maesgwyn Hall very welcoming, very busy, very well organised, very friendly. Ground facilities, ver poor, no bar, very small understaffed buffet but a good view. (a catering van outside away end would help before game and at half time and maybe an away fan zone) Think anyone who visits would be impressed (even jealous) putting football rivalry apart Pretty sure you’ll get other views but it was a great away day except the game. Should add, avoided the train at all costs. Glad you had a good day of it overall.... did you succumb to a pint of Wrexham Pilsner when at the Maesgwyn?  |
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Post by iestywfc on Sept 9, 2024 9:22:33 GMT 1
From watching it in the comfort of my home, I see some glimmers of hope in your team.
Castledine is a tidy little player, in the Grealish mould, but at the moment he does seem a bit lightweight and was easily outmuscled on more than one occasion. Agoe Jr also looked handy when he came on.
your attack was hitting us a lot on the counter, and put in some tempting crosses - is Marquis injured at the moment as I feel he would have been a better option in the middle over Lloyd? There does need to be some strengthening in your defence, I appreciate you had 2 missing but would they have made a difference? and apart from Nurse any other injuries here?
the squad does also feel on the young side and hopefully the older heads rally
Am looking forward to attending your home game vs County in October - courtesy of some freebie tickets
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Post by davycrockett on Sept 9, 2024 9:31:52 GMT 1
Travel no problem. Parking, pre booked at Wrexham Central long stay £5 no problems North Wales Police. Better than at previous Derbys seemed well used to big crowds / occasions, polite, not too controlling and left you alone if you were just there for the game. Designated pub. Avoided so thanks for the tip off from the Police…. Walked up Mold Rd to Maesgwyn Hall very welcoming, very busy, very well organised, very friendly. Ground facilities, ver poor, no bar, very small understaffed buffet but a good view. (a catering van outside away end would help before game and at half time and maybe an away fan zone) Think anyone who visits would be impressed (even jealous) putting football rivalry apart Pretty sure you’ll get other views but it was a great away day except the game. Should add, avoided the train at all costs. Glad you had a good day of it overall.... did you succumb to a pint of Wrexham Pilsner when at the Maesgwyn? I did. Not as fussy as some and hadn’t taken my pewter tankard anyway. Also good food at reasonable prices. Lager at £4.50 a pint was refreshing when you’re used to paying £5.50 + and the food vans also reasonable @ £3.50 for a cheeseburger, £2.00 for chips and £1.00 for cans. Didn’t feel like you’re being overcharged to support the club like………. |
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