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Post by mattmw on Sept 8, 2024 12:33:13 GMT 1
Would be very worrying if the club is still sustaining significant losses each month, to the state that the boardmembers are having to put their own money each month to sustain us.
Its possibly throwing the towel in a bit early, but with the start to the season we've had an little sign of any new investment coming in would it perhaps not be better to start considering putting the club into administration rather than the board continue to use their own money, which appears to be disaperaing rapidly with no obvious sign of change happening. Its not sustainable for them as individuals or us as a club.
Maybe best to take the hit on the points this season, accept the inevitable relegation and start setting a realistic budget that doesn't require the significant subsidy the club relys on now, to allow some kind of stability to be established back in league 2
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Post by Pilch on Sept 8, 2024 12:42:09 GMT 1
I heard it 9 days ago, so not an overreaction at all But nobody else has come close to mentioning it. Name your source or just accept that its spin and you've bought it why should I ? I never even mentioned on here until after it had been confirmed by the club I posted a rumour last week and the spin doctors on here had a field day twisting it to suit their narrative and have a go at those not involved I mentioned it last saturday to a few fans I could trust the problem we have at the moment is not that the fans dont know what's going on, the problem is they know more than they should, our club is in trouble mainly due to the way football is going at the moment, not helped in recent seasons by the 3 Cs and the premier league but thats where we are at, the owner wanting out, no one wanting in, the fans wanting wins or blood and nothing in between |
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Post by ssshrew on Sept 8, 2024 12:51:59 GMT 1
Well the fans will know too much if stuff is posted on social media like Facebook and on here.
It’s a crazy situation and, at the risk of repeating myself, very unprofessional.
If the chairman doesn’t want to make a statement then that’s a shame but in the absence of this then confidentiality should be the order of the day surely.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2024 13:04:20 GMT 1
But nobody else has come close to mentioning it. Name your source or just accept that its spin and you've bought it why should I ? I never even mentioned on here until after it had been confirmed by the club I posted a rumour last week and the spin doctors on here had a field day twisting it to suit their narrative and have a go at those not involved I mentioned it last saturday to a few fans I could trust the problem we have at the moment is not that the fans dont know what's going on, the problem is they know more than they should, our club is in trouble mainly due to the way football is going at the moment, not helped in recent seasons by the 3 Cs and the premier league but thats where we are at, the owner wanting out, no one wanting in, the fans wanting wins or blood and nothing in between The club hasn't confirmed it has it? So you're taking a comment by Jayne Bebb on Facebook as confirmation? Oh just WOW...and yet as pointed out nobody else in official releases has mentioned it and Dibbly Dobbly,who certainly knows the true position basically denied the rumour |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2024 13:16:38 GMT 1
Perhaps we should move on to the next game as quickly as we did last week.
Need to get something against Charlton, though they too have started well.
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Post by Pilch on Sept 8, 2024 13:20:11 GMT 1
why should I ? I never even mentioned on here until after it had been confirmed by the club I posted a rumour last week and the spin doctors on here had a field day twisting it to suit their narrative and have a go at those not involved I mentioned it last saturday to a few fans I could trust the problem we have at the moment is not that the fans dont know what's going on, the problem is they know more than they should, our club is in trouble mainly due to the way football is going at the moment, not helped in recent seasons by the 3 Cs and the premier league but thats where we are at, the owner wanting out, no one wanting in, the fans wanting wins or blood and nothing in between The club hasn't confirmed it has it? So you're taking a comment by Jayne Bebb on Facebook as confirmation? Oh just WOW...and yet as pointed out nobody else in official releases has mentioned it and Dibbly Dobbly,who certainly knows the true position basically denied the rumour hmmm, you ridicule me for taking a comment off social media as fact, and then you alert me to , wait for it.....a comment from social media  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2024 13:23:36 GMT 1
Nope stop trying to swing things.I mentioned a quote on this thread,for the second time,from a director of the club.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 8, 2024 13:26:25 GMT 1
Perhaps the financial debate should be moved to either a new thread or added to the Chairman's statement thread? It's clear from the posts last evening that we are not out of the woods financially, far from it. I agree it makes sense to move it to its own thread, as it is topic that causes mixed feelings and if we continue at the bottom near the bottom. It will just roll on. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 8, 2024 13:27:10 GMT 1
Would be very worrying if the club is still sustaining significant losses each month, to the state that the boardmembers are having to put their own money each month to sustain us. Its possibly throwing the towel in a bit early, but with the start to the season we've had an little sign of any new investment coming in would it perhaps not be better to start considering putting the club into administration rather than the board continue to use their own money, which appears to be disaperaing rapidly with no obvious sign of change happening. Its not sustainable for them as individuals or us as a club. Maybe best to take the hit on the points this season, accept the inevitable relegation and start setting a realistic budget that doesn't require the significant subsidy the club relys on now, to allow some kind of stability to be established back in league 2 I agree |
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Post by mullersalopian on Sept 8, 2024 13:33:52 GMT 1
So with people moaning about moore and Roland how long will they give Hurst? Askey was getting boos by now and just 21 games but won 5 if we don't get another win in 10 does he get the same treatment? Same as ricketts or is he still the messiah in people's eyes?
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Post by Pilch on Sept 8, 2024 13:43:39 GMT 1
So with people moaning about moore and Roland how long will they give Hurst? Askey was getting boos by now and just 21 games but won 5 if we don't get another win in 10 does he get the same treatment? Same as ricketts or is he still the messiah in people's eyes? shhh, cant criticise Hurst , 1 win in 12 league games now, and not a murmur remember when we had that blood thirsty thread when Ricketts had 1 win in 10 |
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Post by dibblydobbly on Sept 8, 2024 13:49:03 GMT 1
Would be very worrying if the club is still sustaining significant losses each month, to the state that the boardmembers are having to put their own money each month to sustain us. Its possibly throwing the towel in a bit early, but with the start to the season we've had an little sign of any new investment coming in would it perhaps not be better to start considering putting the club into administration rather than the board continue to use their own money, which appears to be disaperaing rapidly with no obvious sign of change happening. Its not sustainable for them as individuals or us as a club. Maybe best to take the hit on the points this season, accept the inevitable relegation and start setting a realistic budget that doesn't require the significant subsidy the club relys on now, to allow some kind of stability to be established back in league 2 That may be a view, but it is not one I would share, too many people have struggled too hard for too long, and the club still pays its way every time. The risk of an administrator is manyfold but a sale to a bidder who splits stadium from club, with a view to plonking houses on it keeping the cash and moving to out of town would be likely the highest offer. Not for me, but appreciate I may be in a minority. |
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Sept 8, 2024 13:52:11 GMT 1
Perhaps we should move on to the next game as quickly as we did last week. Need to get something against Charlton, though they too have started well. Yes indeed. After yesterday its pity we dont have a midweek game coming up - for both the players and the fans to quickly move on to. Not that I think the Charlton game will be any less difficult but it wont come with a media circus or local derby aspect. |
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Post by dibblydobbly on Sept 8, 2024 13:55:22 GMT 1
Would be very worrying if the club is still sustaining significant losses each month, to the state that the boardmembers are having to put their own money each month to sustain us. Its possibly throwing the towel in a bit early, but with the start to the season we've had an little sign of any new investment coming in would it perhaps not be better to start considering putting the club into administration rather than the board continue to use their own money, which appears to be disaperaing rapidly with no obvious sign of change happening. Its not sustainable for them as individuals or us as a club. Maybe best to take the hit on the points this season, accept the inevitable relegation and start setting a realistic budget that doesn't require the significant subsidy the club relys on now, to allow some kind of stability to be established back in league 2 I agree With apologies, I cannot agree that throwing the club to a professional obliged to take the best offer is a thing we could do, and trigger a relegation. The route to sustainability is planned, Liam has been very clear, and we are moving forward paying our way every month, we have fought to get out of the position we were left in and are on the road to recovery. In short, the club was in flux from late in the 22-23 season, cash had to be put in. The process of change has been ongoing as is well documented, throughout the 23-24 season, the position is better now, and still improving. Not sure I would want to throw all that away in such a fashion, like the adverts used to say (with apologies) a club is for life not just for Christmas |
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Sept 8, 2024 14:05:11 GMT 1
With apologies, I cannot agree that throwing the club to a professional obliged to take the best offer is a thing we could do, and trigger a relegation. The route to sustainability is planned, Liam has been very clear, and we are moving forward paying our way every month, we have fought to get out of the position we were left in and are on the road to recovery. In short, the club was in flux from late in the 22-23 season, cash had to be put in. The process of change has been ongoing as is well documented, throughout the 23-24 season, the position is better now, and still improving. Not sure I would want to throw all that away in such a fashion, like the adverts used to say (with apologies) a club is for life not just for Christmas Many thanks for this. I'm guessing the Chairman isnt bailing the club out on a monthly basis as some are suggesting on here, more on an as and when basis depending on cashflow of the club when wage payments fall due? |
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Post by mattmw on Sept 8, 2024 14:09:53 GMT 1
Would be very worrying if the club is still sustaining significant losses each month, to the state that the boardmembers are having to put their own money each month to sustain us. Its possibly throwing the towel in a bit early, but with the start to the season we've had an little sign of any new investment coming in would it perhaps not be better to start considering putting the club into administration rather than the board continue to use their own money, which appears to be disaperaing rapidly with no obvious sign of change happening. Its not sustainable for them as individuals or us as a club. Maybe best to take the hit on the points this season, accept the inevitable relegation and start setting a realistic budget that doesn't require the significant subsidy the club relys on now, to allow some kind of stability to be established back in league 2 That may be a view, but it is not one I would share, too many people have struggled too hard for too long, and the club still pays its way every time. The risk of an administrator is manyfold but a sale to a bidder who splits stadium from club, with a view to plonking houses on it keeping the cash and moving to out of town would be likely the highest offer. Not for me, but appreciate I may be in a minority. Wasn't really a recomendation on my part, just that there doesn't seem much on the horizon for the club that suggests significant change to the finances is on way. Appriciate that there is a lot of speculation on the state of the montly losses, but on the back of the last accounts and rumours this season, it would seem the club is running at least a reasonably high six figure loss each year. Its unlikely the football pyramid payments will feed down to our level; the rest of football is stil spending widely so player wage inflation is rocketing, and while there are some green shoots of better off field income coming in thats more likely to generate tens of thousands of income rather than hundreds of thousands. There also seems little concrete interest in the club for new investors. We can keep on hoping the board have deep pockets and the willingness to use that to support the club, but to be honest I wouldn't blame them if they either can't or won't continue that. There needs to be a realistic view on how helpful it is to keep artificially subsidising a loss year on year or whether a really big change to the structure and ambitions need to switch to one with lower aspirations Could well be a lot happening behind the scenes that provides more cause for optimism, but hoping for a turn around with no real evidence of one is quite damaging too |
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Post by lancsman on Sept 8, 2024 14:32:24 GMT 1
On the bsck of the Wrexham thread, Hurst has highlighted the fact that we gave Wrexham a helping hand in their win.
The straight retort to that is ……What are you going to do about it.
The goal that was a side footed affair by Wrexham on the back post shows that the basics are lacking. Why wasn’t there a salop player on the back post…..because they were ball watching instead of reading the play.
Two things spring to my mind…..either the coaching is not good enough or the
players themselves are lacking.
I would suggest Hursts fist defence would be give me some money and I can input experienced been there done it players.
Thoughts please ?
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Post by Pilch on Sept 8, 2024 14:43:29 GMT 1
On the bsck of the Wrexham thread, Hurst has highlighted the fact that we gave Wrexham a helping hand in their win. The straight retort to that is ……What are you going to do about it. The goal that was a side footed affair by Wrexham on the back post shows that the basics are lacking. Why wasn’t there a salop player on the back post…..because they were ball watching instead of reading the play. Two things spring to my mind…..either the coaching is not good enough or the players themselves are lacking. I would suggest Hursts fist defence would be give me some money and I can input experienced been there done it players. Thoughts please ? why would their be a player on the back post after a break away attack ? the first goal was the result of a fantastic ball into the box, falling to an unmarked man despite us having 4 defenders picking no one up they nearly scored a replica of that goal but this time we were able to defend 2nd goal I though was poor from our keeper, looked like a save he should have made 3rd goal was a little lucky, hoofed long ball, Nsiala caught wrong side and stuck out a leg, keeper came out but realised he was not getting there and 2 other defender were also bystanders |
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Post by gobowenshrew on Sept 8, 2024 14:44:46 GMT 1
So with people moaning about moore and Roland how long will they give Hurst? Askey was getting boos by now and just 21 games but won 5 if we don't get another win in 10 does he get the same treatment? Same as ricketts or is he still the messiah in people's eyes? shhh, cant criticise Hurst , 1 win in 12 league games now, and not a murmur remember when we had that blood thirsty thread when Ricketts had 1 win in 10 B&A getting a bit of a kicking on twitter. Posts like this probably don't help in all fairness. |
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Post by Pilch on Sept 8, 2024 14:50:32 GMT 1
shhh, cant criticise Hurst , 1 win in 12 league games now, and not a murmur remember when we had that blood thirsty thread when Ricketts had 1 win in 10 B&A getting a bit of a kicking on twitter. Posts like this probably don't help in all fairness. what do you expect, town lost yesterday, some fans need a scapegoat , they are nice like that |
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Post by davycrockett on Sept 8, 2024 14:58:27 GMT 1
So with people moaning about moore and Roland how long will they give Hurst? Askey was getting boos by now and just 21 games but won 5 if we don't get another win in 10 does he get the same treatment? Same as ricketts or is he still the messiah in people's eyes? Sacking Askey was the start of Roland's problems, listening to a few boo boys and pulling the trigger far too early! It's anyone's guess how long he'll give Hurst but the money's run out after paying off 3 of his last 4 managers so things have changed. |
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Post by mullersalopian on Sept 8, 2024 16:06:25 GMT 1
My thoughts exactly the fa cup game with askey you could some sort of style of play creeping in after he got inherited a brand new team and the spine gone from it with late transfers (wonder who did that)
And now left with someone who I don't think can do it at this level
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Post by harboroughshrew on Sept 8, 2024 16:09:02 GMT 1
I think Hurst is still getting a fair amount of sympathy from most fans who recognise he has to manage the squad on an inadequate budget and of course he still has a lot of credit in the bank from his first spell with us. Having said that he is not immune from criticism and his record since he he returned results-wise (especially the overall home form) is certainly open to that. I appreciate the fact he is trying to get us to play more on the front foot but the big worry is that this team simply does not do the basics in defence well enough. This is a massive contrast to his first spell where I remember in quite a few home games Deano was so well protected he did not have a save to make. Lets hope we can reproduce the positives from the Orient game in our next few games and get something out of them - even if we eventually go down this season it would be nice to see us go down fighting and making things a lot harder for the opposition than we did yesterday.
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Post by Pilch on Sept 8, 2024 16:13:24 GMT 1
My thoughts exactly the fa cup game with askey you could some sort of style of play creeping in after he got inherited a brand new team and the spine gone from it with late transfers (wonder who did that) And now left with someone who I don't think can do it at this level I remember that game, 1-1 v salford , typical dull cup game must be good to have a bunch of celeb owners plus a multi billionaire helping them, thats Salford spending their 5th season in league 2, having finished as high as 7th once, currently 3 points above the relegation zone class of 92 & Peter Lin out |
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Post by bettybuzz on Sept 8, 2024 16:13:54 GMT 1
Not here to gloat on what turned out to be a one sided game.
More interested on how the away day experience panned out for your supporters.
Travel?
Designated bar?
North Wales police?
Stadium facilities?
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Post by davewilly0 on Sept 8, 2024 16:15:25 GMT 1
From a Wrexham fan perspective, yesterday was quite a strange game, don't think you showed much quality and the blood and thunder seemed to be missing. Felt quite comfortable from quite early on which is strange for a derby, don't want you to go down as i enjoy these occasions perversely.
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Post by shrewswolf on Sept 8, 2024 16:24:16 GMT 1
Seems pretty clear now. We are sustainably over budget, everything is on track as we run a 2.4 million loss that wasnt ok 2 years ago but is OK now. Mickey never exceeds a budget except when he does. We didn't have more money for players but we do. The worst of it is over but it isn't. damn we are like every other club now We were like every other club when Cotterill and Caldwell were allowed to significantly overspend but it led to wholesale restructures. Are we now saying Roland is agreeing to a £2.5m loss because that’s just the way football is now? And that loss is now deemed to be sustainable, or working towards it? Right. Got it. |
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Post by davycrockett on Sept 8, 2024 16:27:33 GMT 1
Not here to gloat on what turned out to be a one sided game. More interested on how the away day experience panned out for your supporters. Travel? Designated bar? North Wales police? Stadium facilities? Travel no problem. Parking, pre booked at Wrexham Central long stay £5 no problems North Wales Police. Better than at previous Derbys seemed well used to big crowds / occasions, polite, not too controlling and left you alone if you were just there for the game. Designated pub. Avoided so thanks for the tip off from the Police…. Walked up Mold Rd to Maesgwyn Hall very welcoming, very busy, very well organised, very friendly. Ground facilities, ver poor, no bar, very small understaffed buffet but a good view. (a catering van outside away end would help before game and at half time and maybe an away fan zone) Think anyone who visits would be impressed (even jealous) putting football rivalry apart Pretty sure you’ll get other views but it was a great away day except the game. Should add, avoided the train at all costs. |
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Post by Pilch on Sept 8, 2024 16:31:19 GMT 1
Not here to gloat on what turned out to be a one sided game. More interested on how the away day experience panned out for your supporters. Travel? Designated bar? North Wales police? Stadium facilities? my group totally avoided the police for most of the day, went by train to Chester via crewe, ( cheaper than a direct return to Wrexham ) so an empty quiet train, few chilled out drinks in Chester , then hopped on another quiet train to wrexham, strolled to the ground in peace after the game, on leaving the ground we decided to give the option of being herded up and frogmarched to the station in one big pack a miss, instead headed to the station back the way we arrived from it, over the bridge looking down at the platform there seemed to be a few town fans already there who had presumably left early, but upon arriving at the station we found the police had set pens up, Chester to the right, shrewsbury to the left, the only advice we were given was one of the 2 trains was cancelled ( this was a lie as it hadn't ). they held us for about 40 minutes until the train had arrived and those already on the platform had been put on it, and then we were given orders and told exactly where we could board the train and which door we were to each use, I honestly felt like I'd been an film extra as a prisoner of war being carted off somewhere , in fairness there wasnt any trouble but maybe a little more information and respect might have been given |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2024 16:47:45 GMT 1
Not here to gloat on what turned out to be a one sided game. More interested on how the away day experience panned out for your supporters. Travel? Designated bar? North Wales police? Stadium facilities? Travel no problem. Parking, pre booked at Wrexham Central long stay £5 no problems North Wales Police. Better than at previous Derbys seemed well used to big crowds / occasions, polite, not too controlling and left you alone if you were just there for the game. Designated pub. Avoided so thanks for the tip off from the Police…. Walked up Mold Rd to Maesgwyn Hall very welcoming, very busy, very well organised, very friendly. Ground facilities, ver poor, no bar, very small understaffed buffet but a good view. (a catering van outside away end would help before game and at half time and maybe an away fan zone) Think anyone who visits would be impressed (even jealous) putting football rivalry apart Pretty sure you’ll get other views but it was a great away day except the game. Should add, avoided the train at all costs. That sounds pretty good and positive. Might have to experience it next season. Although Wrexham are going one way and Shrewsbury the other. |
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