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Post by Pilch on Sept 8, 2024 10:07:25 GMT 1
If Lloyd is gonna play,the ball needs to be kept on the ground for him,and fed into the channels,he works his socks off,and you can't fault that,but he also needs help up top I will say one thing that goes against your theory , very late in the game lloyd challenged their guy on the air who was head and shoulders above him and Lloyd leapt a good 2 feet above him to win a header, it was deemed a foul by the ref which lloyd couldn't believe but at the time I said wow, it was like he had springs, but I do tend to agree with what you say as is very rare a small guy gets the space to jump for a free header |
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Post by jontifree on Sept 8, 2024 10:11:01 GMT 1
If Lloyd is gonna play,the ball needs to be kept on the ground for him,and fed into the channels,he works his socks off,and you can't fault that,but he also needs help up top I will say one thing that goes against your theory , very late in the game lloyd challenged their guy on the air who was head and shoulders above him and Lloyd leapt a good 2 feet above him to win a header, it was deemed a foul by the ref which lloyd couldn't believe but at the time I said wow, it was like he had springs, but I do tend to agree with what you say as is very rare a small guy gets the space to jump for a free header Yes Lloyd can win the ball in the air but if there is nobody around supporting him then the opposition just take up the second ball. Nobody running off Lloyd makes the high ball pointless. |
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Post by saltydog on Sept 8, 2024 10:30:17 GMT 1
As summed up by someone already, men v boys. I expected us to go down with some fight today and dare I say when we went 1-0 down, I thought for the next 15-20 mins we were the better side without actually having anything to show for it. The mistakes were criminal. Which is ultimately what I think will be the death knell of this side. There are too many liabilities in this team starting right from the number 1 to most, if not every area of the pitch. I dare say we can compete against most sides but when the first goal goes in, heads drop and there's a distinct lack of leadership anywhere. To paraphrase Jamie Carragher, I think the game has left Mal Benning. I think the Mal Benning we're seeing now is the one everyone warned us about when we signed him. Shipley has gone completely off the boil. Ojo is exactly the player I expected we'd see; neat,tidy but not a forward pass in him. The decision to drop our best player from last Saturday for him looks even more of a head scratcher. Lloyd was given an absolute hospital pass today playing on his own against a four man defence for the entire 90 mins. I don't want to sound disingenuous because they absolutely deserved to win but words can't describe how much I despise that football team and they're an absolute match made in heaven with Phil Jurassic Parky at the helm. Do they have any striker that isn't a 6 ft 2 33-year old plodder? Absolutely no identity or anything organic about what they're trying to do as a club. The absolute state of Janes McClean getting awarded MOTM absolutely confirms the people watching that week in week out can't know the first thing about football. Bloxham literally had the beating of him every time first half. On a side note, while we were waiting for the police escort back to the station, I spotted a grinning Roland Wycherley seemingly taking enjoyment in watching us plebs being hoarded together and tbf his presence received a fairly unsavoury welcome from one or two Town fans. A shame but their frustration sums up where we are at the moment. A shambles on and off the pitch. Ugh! you may not like the way Wrexham play but it sure is effective give anything for Jurassic Parky at the moment and be top of the league. I'm sure Shrews fans would snatch your hand off for a reversal of teams league position. |
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Post by davycrockett on Sept 8, 2024 10:33:50 GMT 1
A shame you were hassled by Wrexham Stewards I found them polite and helpful and fairly relaxed. Walked past the ground from Wrexham Center, had a very enjoyable pre match in Maesgwyn Hall with literally 1000’s of friendly Wrexham fans. Not a bad word. Walked to the ground past many friendly police (not always the case) to be greeted by friendly stewards only eager to help. Maybe you were just in the wrong place? Think the club need to clarify the financial situation. We’ve had nothing but budget cuts across the club including a drastic reduction in the wage bill yet it’s necessary for the chairman to inject £200k a month to avoid missing wages or was it just a one off? We’ve heard plenty recently about maximising revenue over the last 12 months yet revenue isn’t sufficient to cover running costs as early as September. How often is this happening because he’s not a bottomless pit? We were led to believe ‘from the horses mouth’ he wasn’t putting any more of his own money in but relying on commercial loans going forward. Seems this isn’t the case? It’s only September and with record Season Ticket Sales not building up sufficient cash reserves to get us past August it’s worrying. How many times can he or other directors repeat this? Communications improved but I think we need to know how Roland feeling about the ongoing situation not a chairmans statement by STFC. Just maybe fans would understand more if he actually addressed them and explained ‘his’ situation. what are you hoping for exactly ? most places I've worked for over the years I'm usually one of the last to find out what's going on at the company and how the finances are coming along, do you think the players at Shrewsbury Town, the office staff, stewards, suppliers , sponsors know all the details of the daily goings on, or at any business ? since Liam arrived the club have been communicating on a regular basis more than ever before the problem is we have fans who's hobby is dreaming up conspiracy theories, dreaming up success and think there is a magic money tree, they also deep down know certain things probably happened that were detrimental to where we are now but refuse to even go there as it would make their own past judgement/lolalty suspect. heres an idea, home to Charlton next week, turn up , support the team, hope for a win, go home, discuss the game, just drop the starting a revolution from your bed bit )  A statement from the chairman explaining his position with either confirmation of financial support or an update on how we’re going to get to the end of the season. This would help his cause and fans understanding rather than a statement from the Chairman that starts The Chairman. |
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Post by Pilch on Sept 8, 2024 10:36:40 GMT 1
I will say one thing that goes against your theory , very late in the game lloyd challenged their guy on the air who was head and shoulders above him and Lloyd leapt a good 2 feet above him to win a header, it was deemed a foul by the ref which lloyd couldn't believe but at the time I said wow, it was like he had springs, but I do tend to agree with what you say as is very rare a small guy gets the space to jump for a free header Yes Lloyd can win the ball in the air but if there is nobody around supporting him then the opposition just take up the second ball. Nobody running off Lloyd makes the high ball pointless. I agree and pointed that out after the Fulham game , we pumped in cross after cross that game , total tactical failure in a game where we should have had it all bar won by half time |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 8, 2024 10:39:45 GMT 1
The midfield was by passed, which makes the dropping of Perry a strange decision.
Wrexham did not win this game towns defence gave it to them on a plate. Yet again we lose a game to dismal defending, we
have defenders making schoolboy errors all of which make it easy for teams to beat us.
Whilst we are a team with limited ability, we did show against Orient we are
team with some promise.
Personally I think Hurst set up the team incorrectly, we did not have Perry as a holding midfielder, we also failed to change the system to give extra protection for the right and left back. I mentioned in the pre match thread the danger's of there wingers. Clearly Hurst did not do his homework properly.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 8, 2024 10:52:16 GMT 1
Lloyd works his socks off, he never gives up, I'm amazed how high he can jump.
Despite his small frame he is not easily pushed off the ball. All his hard work is often all in vain for a lack of a player backing him up.
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Post by Pilch on Sept 8, 2024 10:56:20 GMT 1
what are you hoping for exactly ? most places I've worked for over the years I'm usually one of the last to find out what's going on at the company and how the finances are coming along, do you think the players at Shrewsbury Town, the office staff, stewards, suppliers , sponsors know all the details of the daily goings on, or at any business ? since Liam arrived the club have been communicating on a regular basis more than ever before the problem is we have fans who's hobby is dreaming up conspiracy theories, dreaming up success and think there is a magic money tree, they also deep down know certain things probably happened that were detrimental to where we are now but refuse to even go there as it would make their own past judgement/lolalty suspect. heres an idea, home to Charlton next week, turn up , support the team, hope for a win, go home, discuss the game, just drop the starting a revolution from your bed bit ) A statement from the chairman explaining his position with either confirmation of financial support or an update on how we’re going to get to the end of the season. This would help his cause and fans understanding rather than a statement from the Chairman that starts The Chairman. he could write a million different statements and the same fans will immediately say "so why doesnt he sell then" in others words it will go in one ear and out of the other, without them understanding that a new buyer not only needs to buy the club, but needs to service the club with about £200k each month just to survive, this is before they need to start thinking about things like promotion, I see Brum just spent £10 million on a forward who managed zero goals at the club selling him, and a 1 in 4 ratio at brum and Exeter during loans, thats scary, how much money do you think you would need in your bank if you had the ambition of taking our club up a level ? |
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Post by shrewswolf on Sept 8, 2024 11:01:54 GMT 1
How are the club still needing £200k per month from Roland to avoid deductions? We are way past Cotterill and his squad. That cannot be the excuse for ongoing costs.
I can see it’s been asked already but the answer seems to somehow be something to do with there being nobody out there who will come in and cover £2.5m per year losses. It doesn’t actually answer the question.
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Post by ollieshrews on Sept 8, 2024 11:17:22 GMT 1
Three club statements this week each one making it clear finances are better but you are saying the club needs £2.4M a year to survive. The biggest loss we had was £3M but you are claiming the club is losing £2.4M per annum which contradicts the chairmans statement: "the Board have worked tirelessly to return the club to a sustainable financial model and are continuing to make strong progress."
Is the chairmans statement false or is it false the club needs £200k per month to survive. Both cant be true.
Let's be clear. The club totally cocked up the communications since they sacked SC and this has fuelled the resentment towards the club and the chairman. They should have just been honest, they tried to spend some money to get promoted, the cocked up the timing due to covid and the chairman has had to fund the club to get back to a stable footing. Instead we get half messages, promises of explanation that dont get fulfilled and unclear statements like this week. They dont explain the why and only share half of the what, hence the confusion.
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Post by Pilch on Sept 8, 2024 11:22:00 GMT 1
Three club statements this week each one making it clear finances are better but you are saying the club needs £2.4M a year to survive. The biggest loss we had was £3M but you are claiming the club is losing £2.4M per annum which contradicts the chairmans statement: "the Board have worked tirelessly to return the club to a sustainable financial model and are continuing to make strong progress." Is the chairmans statement false or is it false the club needs £200k per month to survive. Both cant be true. Let's be clear. The club totally cocked up the communications since they sacked SC and this has fuelled the resentment towards the club and the chairman. They should have just been honest, they tried to spend some money to get promoted, the cocked up the timing due to covid and the chairman has had to fund the club to get back to a stable footing. Instead we get half messages, promises of explanation that dont get fulfilled and unclear statements like this week. They dont explain the why and only share half of the what, hence the confusion. My post was an exaggeration of what it might take for a New owner to run our club , surely anyone could see that Doh ! Because I can clearly see your silly exaggerations too Funny how after every defeat the match thread descents into a roland out debate On the other hand a win descents into nothing but a few bitter one line well dones and dozens of no shows from the regular moaners 😀 |
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Post by ollieshrews on Sept 8, 2024 11:30:29 GMT 1
Three club statements this week each one making it clear finances are better but you are saying the club needs £2.4M a year to survive. The biggest loss we had was £3M but you are claiming the club is losing £2.4M per annum which contradicts the chairmans statement: "the Board have worked tirelessly to return the club to a sustainable financial model and are continuing to make strong progress." Is the chairmans statement false or is it false the club needs £200k per month to survive. Both cant be true. Let's be clear. The club totally cocked up the communications since they sacked SC and this has fuelled the resentment towards the club and the chairman. They should have just been honest, they tried to spend some money to get promoted, the cocked up the timing due to covid and the chairman has had to fund the club to get back to a stable footing. Instead we get half messages, promises of explanation that dont get fulfilled and unclear statements like this week. They dont explain the why and only share half of the what, hence the confusion. My post was an exaggeration of what it might take for a New owner to run our club , surely anyone could see that Doh ! Because I can clearly see your silly exaggerations too Funny how after every defeat the match thread descents into a roland out debate On the other hand a win descents into nothing but a few bitter one line well dones and dozens of no shows from the regular moaners 😀 Stop with the silly reactions - thats not what you said at all. You said the chairman is funding the club £200k per month. So rather than deflect, answer the question: Is the chairmans statement false or is it false the club needs £200k per month to survive. Both cant be true. |
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Post by ollieshrews on Sept 8, 2024 11:33:46 GMT 1
How are the club still needing £200k per month from Roland to avoid deductions? We are way past Cotterill and his squad. That cannot be the excuse for ongoing costs. I can see it’s been asked already but the answer seems to somehow be something to do with there being nobody out there who will come in and cover £2.5m per year losses. It doesn’t actually answer the question. Exactly. We have cleared the decks in terms of wages and the club has c.£900k from season ticket sales. Maybe they needed £200k to bridge a gap, but £200k losses per month means we are still spending at the approved budget given to SC. |
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Post by Pilch on Sept 8, 2024 11:33:57 GMT 1
My post was an exaggeration of what it might take for a New owner to run our club , surely anyone could see that Doh ! Because I can clearly see your silly exaggerations too Funny how after every defeat the match thread descents into a roland out debate On the other hand a win descents into nothing but a few bitter one line well dones and dozens of no shows from the regular moaners 😀 Stop with the silly reactions - thats not what you said at all. You said the chairman is funding the club £200k per month. So rather than deflect, answer the question: Is the chairmans statement false or is it false the club needs £200k per month to survive. Both cant be true. It's a fact the chairman is putting in 200k a month this season The season is one month old Unless you know otherwise I have no idea what your point is the big problem here is we know more information than we should know we do our homework and know things dont add up, but pretending things are rosy and results should be better is fairy tale mode, just click into reality mode and stop stressing, if we have a club next season that will do me, if we have a money bags new owner I'll be just as eager for the season to start, in the meantime just buy a box of Kleenex ;-) |
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Post by ollieshrews on Sept 8, 2024 11:39:24 GMT 1
I was super clear in my post, more silly responses, you know my point. however I will point it out again:
the club said:
"the Board have worked tirelessly to return the club to a sustainable financial model and are continuing to make strong progress."
But you want to say the club and the chairman is funding £200k per month.
£200k losses a month isnt a sustainable model, as that is £2.4M loss per annum, similar to the losses the club said was unsustainable when SC was manager.
So either the club lied in the statement, they haven't "returned to a sustainable model" or £200k losses funded by the chairman every month is nonsense. you cant have it both ways.
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Post by Pilch on Sept 8, 2024 11:46:23 GMT 1
I was super clear in my post, more silly responses, you know my point. however I will point it out again: the club said: "the Board have worked tirelessly to return the club to a sustainable financial model and are continuing to make strong progress." But you want to say the club and the chairman is funding £200k per month. £200k losses a month isnt a sustainable model, as that is £2.4M loss per annum, similar to the losses the club said was unsustainable when SC was manager. So either the club lied in the statement, they haven't "returned to a sustainable model" or £200k losses funded by the chairman every month is nonsense. you cant have it both ways. sorry I keep forgetting the daily running of a football club is like clockwork and nothing ever goes wrong one day we are not bringing in new players the next day we sign 2 lets all call hurst a big liar like I said, click out of school ground fairy tale mode and jump into reality mode ;-) one more thing, not sure if you've ever had money problems in your life, if you did just wondering if you went around shouting about them or if you tried to make out nothing was wrong |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2024 11:54:17 GMT 1
Stop with the silly reactions - thats not what you said at all. You said the chairman is funding the club £200k per month. So rather than deflect, answer the question: Is the chairmans statement false or is it false the club needs £200k per month to survive. Both cant be true. It's a fact the chairman is putting in 200k a month this season The season is one month old Unless you know otherwise I have no idea what your point is Reading the comment from Jayne Bebb its obviously her over reaction to the Roland Out A4 poster, nothing more nothing less. The Chairman's statement didn't mention it, neither did Liam's update and Dibbly Dobbly has performed some linguistic acrobatics on this very thread to confirm that the speculation is wrong without actually stating that it is wrong and hurting some people's feelings. Additionally Hurst confirmed that Roland allowed him to bring in that Vale lad and go beyond the budget. If he was putting money in he certainly wouldn't allow that to happen. Dibbly has basically confirmed that we are back on track, working within our budgets and not losing money. Time to stop the mud slinging We have probably got one of the two lowest budgets in the division.If we are realists we are likely to be relegated, perhaps its easier to accept that scenario and then celebrate if we stay up? |
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Post by ollieshrews on Sept 8, 2024 11:57:21 GMT 1
It's a fact the chairman is putting in 200k a month this season The season is one month old Unless you know otherwise I have no idea what your point is Reading the comment from Jayne Bebb its obviously her over reaction to the Roland Out A4 poster, nothing more nothing less. The Chairman's statement didn't mention it, neither did Liam's update and Dibbly Dobbly has performed some linguistic acrobatics on this very thread to confirm that the speculation is wrong without actually stating that it is wrong and hurting some people's feelings. Additionally Hurst confirmed that Roland allowed him to bring in that Vale lad and go beyond the budget. If he was putting money in he certainly wouldn't allow that to happen. Dibbly has basically confirmed that we are back on track, working within our budgets and not losing money. Time to stop the mud slinging We have probably got one of the two lowest budgets in the division.If we are realists we are likely to be relegated, perhaps its easier to accept that scenario and then celebrate if we stay up? makes sense doesnt it |
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Post by wookeywombat on Sept 8, 2024 11:59:18 GMT 1
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Post by Pilch on Sept 8, 2024 12:07:48 GMT 1
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Post by Pilch on Sept 8, 2024 12:08:46 GMT 1
It's a fact the chairman is putting in 200k a month this season The season is one month old Unless you know otherwise I have no idea what your point is Reading the comment from Jayne Bebb its obviously her over reaction to the Roland Out A4 poster, nothing more nothing less. The Chairman's statement didn't mention it, neither did Liam's update and Dibbly Dobbly has performed some linguistic acrobatics on this very thread to confirm that the speculation is wrong without actually stating that it is wrong and hurting some people's feelings. Additionally Hurst confirmed that Roland allowed him to bring in that Vale lad and go beyond the budget. If he was putting money in he certainly wouldn't allow that to happen. Dibbly has basically confirmed that we are back on track, working within our budgets and not losing money. Time to stop the mud slinging We have probably got one of the two lowest budgets in the division.If we are realists we are likely to be relegated, perhaps its easier to accept that scenario and then celebrate if we stay up? I heard it 9 days ago, so not an overreaction at all |
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Post by vladimir on Sept 8, 2024 12:08:56 GMT 1
Seems pretty clear now.
We are sustainably over budget, everything is on track as we run a 2.4 million loss that wasnt ok 2 years ago but is OK now. Mickey never exceeds a budget except when he does. We didn't have more money for players but we do. The worst of it is over but it isn't.
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Post by Pilch on Sept 8, 2024 12:13:54 GMT 1
Seems pretty clear now. We are sustainably over budget, everything is on track as we run a 2.4 million loss that wasnt ok 2 years ago but is OK now. Mickey never exceeds a budget except when he does. We didn't have more money for players but we do. The worst of it is over but it isn't. damn we are like every other club now |
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Post by ollieshrews on Sept 8, 2024 12:22:22 GMT 1
Seems pretty clear now. We are sustainably over budget, everything is on track as we run a 2.4 million loss that wasnt ok 2 years ago but is OK now. Mickey never exceeds a budget except when he does. We didn't have more money for players but we do. The worst of it is over but it isn't. I dont believe losing £2.4M a year is sustainable for Salop under RW. I dont believe RW is going to fund us £200k a month either. It was a poor attempt at spin. |
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Post by ollieshrews on Sept 8, 2024 12:24:46 GMT 1
Pilch you have edited every response to me. why cant you leave you messages alone? some of the posts are drastically different to the original post.
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Post by Pilch on Sept 8, 2024 12:26:11 GMT 1
Pilch you have edited every response to me. why cant you leave you messages alone? some of the posts are drastically different to the original post. I edited it within a minute of posting it if you check, maybe its because you are too eager to discuss the wrexham game |
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Post by Pilch on Sept 8, 2024 12:30:26 GMT 1
I edited it within a minute of posting it if you check, maybe its because you are too eager to discuss the wrexham game that isnt true. some of the posts are drastically different its easily done, youve edited 2 of your posts in the last hour then again, whatever you say and do is ok isn't it the wrexham thread is now all about me instantly editing my posts you cant make it up |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2024 12:31:01 GMT 1
Reading the comment from Jayne Bebb its obviously her over reaction to the Roland Out A4 poster, nothing more nothing less. The Chairman's statement didn't mention it, neither did Liam's update and Dibbly Dobbly has performed some linguistic acrobatics on this very thread to confirm that the speculation is wrong without actually stating that it is wrong and hurting some people's feelings. Additionally Hurst confirmed that Roland allowed him to bring in that Vale lad and go beyond the budget. If he was putting money in he certainly wouldn't allow that to happen. Dibbly has basically confirmed that we are back on track, working within our budgets and not losing money. Time to stop the mud slinging We have probably got one of the two lowest budgets in the division.If we are realists we are likely to be relegated, perhaps its easier to accept that scenario and then celebrate if we stay up? I heard it 9 days ago, so not an overreaction at all But nobody else has come close to mentioning it. Name your source or just accept that its spin and you've bought it |
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Post by Pilch on Sept 8, 2024 12:31:51 GMT 1
oops, you deleted your post I was replying too
now you see it now you dont lol
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2024 12:31:59 GMT 1
Perhaps the financial debate should be moved to either a new thread or added to the Chairman's statement thread?
It's clear from the posts last evening that we are not out of the woods financially, far from it.
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