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Post by Exkeeper on Aug 25, 2024 8:53:09 GMT 1
You thought Hoole did well? Their left sided winger/wingback took us to the cleaners. Hoole was giving him 30 yards of space and when got out to him he was roasted. Their goal came from that situation compounded by Benning leaving the scorer alone at the back post and although Savin had a good game, I reckon he may feel he could have done better with that. Bloxham can surely not expect a start next week I have said before, he is not a winger, not a striker and not a number 10. I wouldn’t even say he’s a No 12 either Major issue is both full backs are clear being instructed to tuck in to cover centre backs. That's fine if you have cover out wide from the midfield which we don't have at all. Playing a narrow back line is ok as long as everyone is switched on when the inevitable cross comes in. That wasn’t the case when they scored. The scorer was about 5 yards from the back post with no defender near him. Benning was on the line close to Savin and that.meant that as well as leaving their lad with a free shot at goal it also possibly prevented the keeper from closing the shot down by “narrowing the angle” as we used to say in my time. |
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Post by Worthingshrew on Aug 25, 2024 9:04:19 GMT 1
Part of the reason they’re 11th, 6th and 2nd is that they’ve played and beaten us. Table means nothing yet. I get your point but I imagine them teams will finish around them positions. My comment was slightly tongue-in-cheek. I expect both Huddersfield and Posh to be in top 6. |
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Post by capitalsalopian on Aug 25, 2024 9:08:04 GMT 1
I thought that Perry was easily man of the match yesterday. Full of energy, intercepting the ball and making sensible challenges while staying on his feet. Also played well with the ball, progressive passing and occasionally carrying the ball giving the team the time to get up the pitch.
I thought he was terrible in the midfield role previously and was a bit of a liability there and needed to play further forward. Shows why I'm not in the professional game as a scout!!
More than happy to eat my humble pie though!
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Post by pughywasfree on Aug 25, 2024 9:18:22 GMT 1
I thought that Perry was easily man of the match yesterday. Full of energy, intercepting the ball and making sensible challenges while staying on his feet. Also played well with the ball, progressive passing and occasionally carrying the ball giving the team the time to get up the pitch. I thought he was terrible in the midfield role previously and was a bit of a liability there and needed to play further forward. Shows why I'm not in the professional game as a scout!! More than happy to eat my humble pie though! Perry was great by Perry's standards, that is all. He was a solid 7/10. I am a big Perry fan and I think he has potential to be decent player but it will take more than one ok performance to make up for all them games he caused more problems than he solved. With that said its like having a new signing after thinking Perry was never going to play for us again when he was left out of the cup games completely. |
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Post by shrewswolf on Aug 25, 2024 9:40:05 GMT 1
I think the criticism of Bloxham is OTT. I’d agree he wasn’t great yesterday but Shipley was worse. I’d also never say Bloxham doesn’t give his all. He does continue to look knackered after every run he makes, he always has done and I’d love to know if his inferior fitness is perception or reality.
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Post by jontifree on Aug 25, 2024 9:47:28 GMT 1
I think the criticism of Bloxham is OTT. I’d agree he wasn’t great yesterday but Shipley was worse. I’d also never say Bloxham doesn’t give his all. He does continue to look knackered after every run he makes, he always has done and I’d love to know if his inferior fitness is perception or reality. Agree. Shipley is the bigger concern for me, he's a proven player at this level but is playing like he just doesn't want to be here. First half against Notts County he just looked like a kid who had his toys taken off him but then 2nd half was the Shipley of old. But we are seeing too much of the first half performances from him. |
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Post by chirkshrew on Aug 25, 2024 10:04:58 GMT 1
Shipley has one good game in 5, never been any different since he's been here,and comes up with a cracking goal every now and then....I just tell it as I see it🤷🤷
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Post by Pilch on Aug 25, 2024 10:32:44 GMT 1
Perry gave 100% today , did the simple things but tom , very disappointed in him today , tallest guy in the pitch , can't win a header or even challenge for them , hasn't got a left foot , never attacks the ball , can't mark , never gambles on someone else's run , there was a great chance in both halves had he gambled on the ball being put in , nsiala was livid late on after flicking a throw in on begging to be attacked , he was a spectator today , how he stayed on the entire game is beyond me Apart from that , I think it was a 3-1 kind of game but at least at 1-0 we hung in there until the end and gave us hope at least , Savin produced a couple of great saves today , shame it seems we've be ordered to opt for the dodgy goal kick to the wings again , aiming for a guy who's never won a header Bloxham won a header which directly set up one of our best moments of yesterdays game - O’Reilly’s effort that hit the bar… I think you'll find if you look at my photo he does actually have a left foot too , it's at the bottom of his left leg 🦵 🦶 (look up the word generalisation ) |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 25, 2024 10:51:28 GMT 1
I thought that Perry was easily man of the match yesterday. Full of energy, intercepting the ball and making sensible challenges while staying on his feet. Also played well with the ball, progressive passing and occasionally carrying the ball giving the team the time to get up the pitch. I thought he was terrible in the midfield role previously and was a bit of a liability there and needed to play further forward. Shows why I'm not in the professional game as a scout!! More than happy to eat my humble pie though! I had the same thoughts about him, ,so I will share your humble pie. Was he playing.in a deeper role ? |
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Post by Exkeeper on Aug 25, 2024 11:09:38 GMT 1
I think the criticism of Bloxham is OTT. I’d agree he wasn’t great yesterday but Shipley was worse. I’d also never say Bloxham doesn’t give his all. He does continue to look knackered after every run he makes, he always has done and I’d love to know if his inferior fitness is perception or reality. Agree. Shipley is the bigger concern for me, he's a proven player at this level but is playing like he just doesn't want to be here. First half against Notts County he just looked like a kid who had his toys taken off him but then 2nd half was the Shipley of old. But we are seeing too much of the first half performances from him. Shipley improved against Notts when the balance of the team changed. Rossiter was moved further forward in advance of Winchester and started to find gaps and also provide the cross from which Shipley headed an outstanding goal. People going on about him forget that he has already scored 3 goals which is probably about the number Bloxham will score between now and May. |
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Post by markglasgow on Aug 25, 2024 11:57:47 GMT 1
Now 16 marches since our last clean sheet. Given how toothless we are clean sheets are vital if we are going to make a fist of this.
The decision to replace Dunkley with Nsiala was madness. The 'getting the band back together' nonsense may play well with those who haven't been paying attention to these characters over the last 5-6 years.
I guess the hope was that the home matches against NC and Fulham kids would provide some much needed confidence. Unfortunately things are much worse than anyone would have foreseen.
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Post by Pilch on Aug 25, 2024 12:19:20 GMT 1
Now 16 marches since our last clean sheet. Given how toothless we are clean sheets are vital if we are going to make a fist of this. The decision to replace Dunkley with Nsiala was madness. The 'getting the band back together' nonsense may play well with those who haven't been paying attention to these characters over the last 5-6 years. I guess the hope was that the home matches against NC and Fulham kids would provide some much needed confidence. Unfortunately things are much worse than anyone would have foreseen. you make it sound like Dunkley was on the bench, he turned down a contract and departed, his decision, speaking of him , he has had one clean sheet this season in league 2 against crewe, who haven't managed a goal in the league yet |
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Post by mattmw on Aug 25, 2024 12:38:04 GMT 1
Didn't see or hear yesterdays game due to desperately trying to get some late summer sun at the coast, but does sound like a much more organised and effective performance by Town yesterday and progress in a few areas. O'Reilly seems to be settling into Leauge One football very well.
However the Leyton Orient game is already looking like a very significant game in our season, and while its a very different side Town will be putting out Orient eased to a pretty comfortable 3.1 win at ours back in April with some good fast counter attacking play which if repeated on Saturday could cause our defence a lot of problems. With tricky games against Wrexham and Charlton to come its really important to get a result against Orient and will test the mental capacity of the side as much as anything, knowing the importance of the game
The loans brought in and pending seem to have boosted out attack, and should hopefully start towork togeher as they get more game time but very surprised that the defence hasn't seen new recruits come in. Both Feeney's having hamstring injuries, and Nurse obviously having very little match time over the last year, it's asking a lot for Nsiala and Pierre to not only play a lot of games without injury, but also to be able to cope with the quicker attackers a lot of league one sides have.
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Post by chirkshrew on Aug 25, 2024 12:41:27 GMT 1
Dunkley was slowing down fast.....which one is the faster....dunkley or nsiala??
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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 25, 2024 12:41:58 GMT 1
Major issue is both full backs are clear being instructed to tuck in to cover centre backs. That's fine if you have cover out wide from the midfield which we don't have at all. Playing a narrow back line is ok as long as everyone is switched on when the inevitable cross comes in. That wasn’t the case when they scored. The scorer was about 5 yards from the back post with no defender near him. Benning was on the line close to Savin and that.meant that as well as leaving their lad with a free shot at goal it also possibly prevented the keeper from closing the shot down by “narrowing the angle” as we used to say in my time. We have major issues in our defence so this approach is new to them and needs them to be thoroughly drilled and that includes the holding midfielders giving them support, If we go back to the Peterborough games the center backs lack of mobility and pace was there for everyone to see and we were lucky to not conceded 7 goals, I personally think we need to persevere with this change in tactics with some fine tuning and a lot of time on the training ground Or is there something else we could do? Bearing in mind Hurst is only planing to bring in one more player. We are left trying to make the most out of what we have got |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 25, 2024 12:42:07 GMT 1
Didn't see or hear yesterdays game due to desperately trying to get some late summer sun at the coast, but does sound like a much more organised and effective performance by Town yesterday and progress in a few areas. O'Reilly seems to be settling into Leauge One football very well. However the Leyton Orient game is already looking like a very significant game in our season, and while its a very different side Town will be putting out Orient eased to a pretty comfortable 3.1 win at ours back in April with some good fast counter attacking play which if repeated on Saturday could cause our defence a lot of problems. With tricky games against Wrexham and Charlton to come its really important to get a result against Orient and will test the mental capacity of the side as much as anything, knowing the importance of the game The loans brought in and pending seem to have boosted out attack, and should hopefully start towork togeher as they get more game time but very surprised that the defence hasn't seen new recruits come in. Both Feeney's having hamstring injuries, and Nurse obviously having very little match time over the last year, it's asking a lot for Nsiala and Pierre to not only play a lot of games without injury, but also to be able to cope with the quicker attackers a lot of league one sides have. we were rubbish for 30 mins v Orient at home, and deservedly 2-0 down, but we as good as battered them for the next hour, and probably deserved a point from the game, the away game early in the season we should have gone into half time out of sight but again lost 3rd time lucky I hope |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 25, 2024 12:48:41 GMT 1
Now 16 marches since our last clean sheet. Given how toothless we are clean sheets are vital if we are going to make a fist of this. The decision to replace Dunkley with Nsiala was madness. The 'getting the band back together' nonsense may play well with those who haven't been paying attention to these characters over the last 5-6 years. I guess the hope was that the home matches against NC and Fulham kids would provide some much needed confidence. Unfortunately things are much worse than anyone would have foreseen. We have traded down on the defence, Dunkley was better than the replacement, one thing he did very well which is badly missing from the team is the amount of attacks he broke up to take the pressure off the defence, but he was prone to making errors |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 25, 2024 12:50:42 GMT 1
Dunkley was slowing down fast.....which one is the faster....dunkley or nsiala?? Dunkley, Nisala has the mobility of a road cleaning machine and the speed of a tortoise , my granny is faster than Nisala |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2024 12:54:55 GMT 1
Even if we couldn’t necessarily keep Dunkley (and I’m not too bothered about that, personally think he wasn’t great in the back four last season), we still cheaped out on the replacements. Nsiala is past his prime and has been knocking round at poor league one clubs ever since leaving Ipswich, and Pierre is also past his prime and never more than 2 games away from an injury. Added to that M Feeney who was nothing more than okay last year, and J Feeney who is highly rated but completely untested, and it’s an area of the team that will see us be vulnerable all season.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 25, 2024 12:55:56 GMT 1
Agree. Shipley is the bigger concern for me, he's a proven player at this level but is playing like he just doesn't want to be here. First half against Notts County he just looked like a kid who had his toys taken off him but then 2nd half was the Shipley of old. But we are seeing too much of the first half performances from him. Shipley improved against Notts when the balance of the team changed. Rossiter was moved further forward in advance of Winchester and started to find gaps and also provide the cross from which Shipley headed an outstanding goal. People going on about him forget that he has already scored 3 goals which is probably about the number Bloxham will score between now and May. To be fair he has scored three goals and he has moments when he can be a threat, the issues I have with him is that it is only moments, we have serious issues with the team and cant afford to have a player who is invisible for 45 minutes, i have no idea why we have him taking free kicks as he is terrible |
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Post by greeny on Aug 25, 2024 13:11:51 GMT 1
Dunkley was slowing down fast.....which one is the faster....dunkley or nsiala?? Does it matter? Dunkley was slowing but still looked more than competent. Toto has probably already cost us as many goals this season as Dunkley did all last year. Dunkley took responsibility in games and even though his distribution was limited, he didn’t pass the ball back to the keeper when 30/40 yards away from goal. My main concern is CB. If J Feeney isn’t back soon we’re struggling massively (and that’s assuming he’s up to it..!) |
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Post by jontifree on Aug 25, 2024 13:15:17 GMT 1
Dunkley was slowing down fast.....which one is the faster....dunkley or nsiala?? I don't think pace (or lack of) is the real issue. I have always liked us having a 'senior' centre half. Think back to when we had Matt Sadler, certainly not the quickest but he could read the game and be in the right position at the right time. He communicated brilliantly with his defensive partner. Sadly Nsiala doesn't seem to be able to read the game like that and is more of a reactive defender. This is compounded by having Pierre alongside him. A simple ball between the two of them leaves them both floundering around desperately trying to catch up or having to commit fouls. I don't think Feeney (snr) is the answer either but with no sign of another CB coming in we will be relying heavily on Savin. |
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Aug 25, 2024 13:39:30 GMT 1
Not a huge amount to say that's not been said, and after 4.5 hours home I couldn't be bothered with anything other than bed last night, but I actually quite enjoyed that. A decent stadium, a good atmosphere, town were resilient but unspectacular and while Huddersfield undoubtedly deserved the win, we might have had the better of some fine margins and taken a point. Watching the replay of Marquis' first half chance I wonder if he'd have been better opening up the angle by shooting with his right, as as soon as he was on his left he'd narrowed the angle and made it easier to save. Second half was a bit of a non event but despite conceding possession we limited Huddersfield to a modest number of chances.
As others have said, I think that was because we played very narrow at the back but we'll be highly vulnerable all season unless we strengthen and strengthen soon and simply can't get away week in week out with defending that way.
And to any Huddersfield fans who think we're good enough to stay out of trouble, well, here's hoping, but with our defence and our struggles still to score, I do worry, and wonder if they'll still hold that view after they've seen a few more games.
Savin was my man of the match for two excellent saves, although his kicking was dreadful and often went out, and Perry did well. Bloxham does have tricky feet and a decent touch for a big player, as well as a reasonable cross. He is a bit of a jack of all trades at the moment but I do think there is a wide player in there, but he just never got into the game yesterday.
All in all, an enjoyable trip and definitely some signs. Orient next week is huge, and I'd lose a leg for a point at Wrexham. Next game for me not until Mansfield away in a month, here's hoping we've picked up a couple of wins by then.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Aug 25, 2024 13:44:22 GMT 1
We have a record of converting forwards into centre backs, even Arthur Rowley ended his career in the No.5 shirt.
We have a reasonably mobile 6’4” lad whose career as a forward is going nowhere. Time for experimenting?
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Post by chirkshrew on Aug 25, 2024 13:46:06 GMT 1
As Hurst said....the players have gorra get on with it..toughen up in defence,and that includes hoole and benning,and start creating chances for marquis.hopefully the more games they play,the better they get...if they get worse.... we're in serious trouble!!
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Post by Pilch on Aug 25, 2024 13:53:37 GMT 1
Even if we couldn’t necessarily keep Dunkley (and I’m not too bothered about that, personally think he wasn’t great in the back four last season), we still cheaped out on the replacements. Nsiala is past his prime and has been knocking round at poor league one clubs ever since leaving Ipswich, and Pierre is also past his prime and never more than 2 games away from an injury. Added to that M Feeney who was nothing more than okay last year, and J Feeney who is highly rated but completely untested, and it’s an area of the team that will see us be vulnerable all season. Dunkley was probably on more than the 3 of them put together, and just as culpable as any of them most weeks |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2024 14:07:17 GMT 1
Even if we couldn’t necessarily keep Dunkley (and I’m not too bothered about that, personally think he wasn’t great in the back four last season), we still cheaped out on the replacements. Nsiala is past his prime and has been knocking round at poor league one clubs ever since leaving Ipswich, and Pierre is also past his prime and never more than 2 games away from an injury. Added to that M Feeney who was nothing more than okay last year, and J Feeney who is highly rated but completely untested, and it’s an area of the team that will see us be vulnerable all season. Dunkley was probably on more than the 3 of them put together, and just as culpable as any of them most weeks Bare in mind we were already paying MFeeney and Pierre so from a budget perspective we’ve replaced Dunkley with Nsiala. Fully appreciate that the wage budget was to be trimmed (despite the constant claims the budget’s the same each year 🙄), but still think we’ve erred massively on this particular downgrade. |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 25, 2024 14:09:05 GMT 1
Dunkley was probably on more than the 3 of them put together, and just as culpable as any of them most weeks Bare in mind we were already paying MFeeney and Pierre so from a budget perspective we’ve replaced Dunkley with Nsiala. Fully appreciate that the wage budget was to be trimmed (despite the constant claims the budget’s the same each year 🙄), but still think we’ve erred massively on this particular downgrade. well that's down to one man at the club , the guy who signed him for the 4th time |
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Post by DiglisShrew on Aug 25, 2024 14:54:01 GMT 1
Perry gave 100% today , did the simple things but tom , very disappointed in him today , tallest guy in the pitch , can't win a header or even challenge for them , hasn't got a left foot , never attacks the ball , can't mark , never gambles on someone else's run , there was a great chance in both halves had he gambled on the ball being put in , nsiala was livid late on after flicking a throw in on begging to be attacked , he was a spectator today , how he stayed on the entire game is beyond me Apart from that , I think it was a 3-1 kind of game but at least at 1-0 we hung in there until the end and gave us hope at least , Savin produced a couple of great saves today , shame it seems we've be ordered to opt for the dodgy goal kick to the wings again , aiming for a guy who's never won a header Bloxham won a header which directly set up one of our best moments of yesterdays game - O’Reilly’s effort that hit the bar… 6 Feet 4 inch player wins header shock !!! 🙄 |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 25, 2024 15:14:28 GMT 1
Bloxham won a header which directly set up one of our best moments of yesterdays game - O’Reilly’s effort that hit the bar… 6 Feet 4 inch player wins header shock !!! 🙄 The Huddersfield player was mickel miller , 173cms , 5'8" we've all done Tom an injustice , I think we should call him zebedee from now on 😝 |
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