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Post by llanymynechshrew on Jul 2, 2024 19:44:45 GMT 1
He's a nice lad that works hard. But he's no where near as good as some would have you believe on here, he is replaceable. That said he could be better than his eventual replacement.🤔 Is he replaceable? The last decent striker we had wasn't. I remember well waiting years to replace James Collins with James Collins. Played 155 games and scored 31 goals. So yes replaceable. Not saying that it's easy to do. But yes it's possible.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 2, 2024 19:45:57 GMT 1
Fully expect us to fritter away whatever Udoh’s wage demands were on a couple of dud loan signings. We’re a sinking ship and can’t blame any player for wanting out. we offered him more than you suggested we offer him back a couple of months ago , where do you stop for a guy who averaged 6 goals a season ?
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Post by gtismygod on Jul 2, 2024 20:03:34 GMT 1
Fully expect us to fritter away whatever Udoh’s wage demands were on a couple of dud loan signings. We’re a sinking ship and can’t blame any player for wanting out. we offered him more than you suggested we offer him back a couple of months ago , where do you stop for a guy who averaged 6 goals a season ? More misleading stats to frame your argument. He averaged six goals a season because he did his ACL and played in a poorly coached 5-3-2 with no service. When fit he’s consistently scored more than anybody else in our squad. Just look at how bad Bowman was whilst playing in that system. I’d put my life savings on us failing to bring in a centre forward any near as good as Udoh this summer.
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Post by southstandviewer on Jul 2, 2024 20:04:08 GMT 1
We are what we are, Hurst will build a side that he thinks will compete, we are the supporters, supporters get behind teams I hate to say it “go again” each season. We might be battling against teams with a larger budget but that is our lot and we get on with it. Wait until we are 2 weeks into the new season and see what we have signed then. You forget that we had Henderson, Godfrey and Morris on loan that is the way most clubs are surviving and this season may not be any different.
We are not in league 2 or non league, we are in league 1 and rightfully so, yes last season’s entertainment was minimal but there are worse run clubs than us and I for one hope we have new investment but don’t want want the boom or bust approach.
Loosing Udoh is a lose but it’s not the abyss that some might say.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 2, 2024 20:12:51 GMT 1
we offered him more than you suggested we offer him back a couple of months ago , where do you stop for a guy who averaged 6 goals a season ? More misleading stats to frame your argument. He averaged six goals a season because he did his ACL and played in a poorly coached 5-3-2 with no service. When fit he’s consistently scored more than anybody else in our squad. Just look at how bad Bowman was whilst playing in that system. I’d put my life savings on us failing to bring in a centre forward any near as good as Udoh this summer. I learnt it from the Pyke debates ;-) where we counted, time out injured, games at RWB, time out on loan , time sat twiddling thumbs on the bench towards his poor goal tally for the club ;-)
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 2, 2024 20:18:19 GMT 1
No one is irreplaceable. If he’s gone, he’s gone.
We can’t afford to be dictated to by a player who says he wants to stay. It’s a shame he waited so long but he did and there’s nothing we can do about it.
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Shrew983
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Post by Shrew983 on Jul 2, 2024 20:29:15 GMT 1
Hey thankfully he’s gone to Wycombe, he told my mate that while he was having his medical at Wycombe, Wrexham came in with an offer.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 2, 2024 20:35:49 GMT 1
Hey thankfully he’s gone to Wycombe, he told my mate that while he was having his medical at Wycombe, Wrexham came in with an offer. He reminds me of Raheem Sterling 😝
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 2, 2024 20:44:41 GMT 1
He is not irreplaceable. He is our best goalscorer but isnt that prolific.
Big hole to fill undoubtedly but we didnt have an out and out goalscorer the last tome Hurst was here did we. We shared the goals around.
Let's give PH the first 10 games and see where we are eh?
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Post by chirkshrew on Jul 2, 2024 20:52:06 GMT 1
We don't know which strikers we're after, probably try and get young prem or championship striker on loan,like Carlton Morris,and hopefully Harrison biggins can weigh in with a few goals,like Nolan.....be interesting!!
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Post by WATR on Jul 2, 2024 20:52:15 GMT 1
Fully expect us to fritter away whatever Udoh’s wage demands were on a couple of dud loan signings. We’re a sinking ship and can’t blame any player for wanting out. we offered him more than you suggested we offer him back a couple of months ago , where do you stop for a guy who averaged 6 goals a season ? Rumour I’d heard was that he’d have signed months ago if we’d offered circa 3.1k - which is a pittance for a half decent striker at this level. Apologies if that’s wrong. As for the stats, it’s well known it took Udoh a couple of seasons to become a competent striker at this level and he also spent a season out with injury. 16 and 11 goals in the other two seasons makes him prolific by our standards.
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Post by ProudSalopian on Jul 2, 2024 20:58:06 GMT 1
Of course he could be replaceable but as things stand we have a strike force that consists of 2 players who scored a combined 6 goals last season. Yes clearly we will bring in some additional players but strikers aren't cheap and it's an area we've struggled to recruit in L1, excuse my lack of faith that we can bring in equal or better considering our situation.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 2, 2024 21:00:33 GMT 1
we offered him more than you suggested we offer him back a couple of months ago , where do you stop for a guy who averaged 6 goals a season ? Rumour I’d heard was that he’d have signed months ago if we’d offered circa 3.1k - which is a pittance for a half decent striker at this level. Apologies if that’s wrong. As for the stats, it’s well known it took Udoh a couple of seasons to become a competent striker at this level and he also spent a season out with injury. 16 and 11 goals in the other two seasons makes him prolific by our standards. We did offer him that much , it's double what he was on , he clearly wanted to sign for us ,but had an offer for more money elsewhere which he was using to try and obtain more from us , it seems he's just wasted our time being greedy , and now gets to sign for a club that wasn't his first choice , at least he has the other greedy git leahy for company
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Post by gtismygod on Jul 2, 2024 21:06:05 GMT 1
It makes you wonder what the point in staying up last season was. We’ve made very little effort to retain our best players, and clearly aren’t even trying to be competitive this season.
We’d have retained Dunkley, Marosi and Udoh if we were a serious club.
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Post by essexshrew on Jul 2, 2024 21:07:11 GMT 1
seems like he just did what any sensible, rational person would do - think about his long term future and that of his family amd accept an offer that values his worth. Shame we couldn't offer him what he wanted but that's life....
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Post by llanymynechshrew on Jul 2, 2024 21:18:35 GMT 1
It makes you wonder what the point in staying up last season was. We’ve made very little effort to retain our best players, and clearly aren’t even trying to be competitive this season. We’d have retained Dunkley, Marosi and Udoh if we were a serious club. Sorry, but i don't agree with any of the above.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 2, 2024 21:18:50 GMT 1
It makes you wonder what the point in staying up last season was. We’ve made very little effort to retain our best players, and clearly aren’t even trying to be competitive this season. We’d have retained Dunkley, Marosi and Udoh if we were a serious club. and Barcelona couldn't afford to keep Messi lets not start the marosi debate again, as most refuse to accept we paid him more that £5k a week for 3 whole years ( we did ) a keeper on a decent championship wage, who saves shots like a top league 1 keeper, but kicks like Diane Ross that why he's not gone to the championship
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Post by vladimir on Jul 2, 2024 21:18:53 GMT 1
Haven't felt this low as a town fan in quite sometime, seeing clubs we are historically well out performing sign our better players on the regular as we barely can put an xi out as we start pre season training.
We are now expecting Hurst and Moore to perform a minor miracle putting on the shoulders of one or two kids the task of scoring the goals to try and keep us up.
Expect he won't be the last out the door as others have alluded to.
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Post by pughywasfree on Jul 2, 2024 21:19:28 GMT 1
For reference the below is a list of the top scoring forward in the league over the last 20 years:
2023-2024 League One Daniel Udoh - 10 2022-2023 League One Christian Saydee - 7 2021-2022 League One Daniel Udoh - 13 2020-2021 League One Daniel Udoh – 4 2019-2020 League One Jason Cummings, Daniel Udoh... - 4 2018-2019 League One Fejiri Okenabirhie - 10 2017-2018 League One Stefan Payne - 11 2016-2017 League One Louis Dodds - 8 2015-2016 League One Jean-Louis Akpa Akpro – 6 2014-2015 League Two James Collins - 15 2013-2014 League One Tom Bradshaw - 7 2012-2013 League One Marvin Morgan - 7 2011-2012 League Two James Collins - 14 2010-2011 League Two Matt Harrold - 8 2009-2010 League Two David Hibbert - 14 2008-2009 League Two Grant Holt - 20 2007-2008 League Two David Hibbert - 12 2006-2007 League Two Andy Cooke - 10 2005-2006 League Two Colin McMenamin – 10 2004-2005 League Two Luke Rodgers - 6
Works out that our top scoring forward scores on average 9.8 goals (7.9 if you only count league 1). Udoh got more than that in probably one of the worst teams in last 20 years. It's a big loss and anyone who say's he is replicable on our apparent budget this season is either delusional or has too much faith in Hurst. Hopefully we strike really lucky with a loan player.
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Post by vladimir on Jul 2, 2024 21:20:12 GMT 1
I’ve never felt so demoralised ahead of a new season in my life than what I’m currently feeling. Smallest budget in the league (bar potentially Crawley), only 12 players on the books, Hurst (as much as I like the bloke) basically telling us that 20th position is our aim. Udoh going to a smaller club just tops it off now. I just can’t be arsed, I really can’t. It's either that or go bust. Everything is against us this season, it's time to dig deep and get behind the team every single week to fight for every single point. I'm quite looking forward to the challange. It certainly makes a difference from finishing 17th disappointed because we could have given it a better go with a few mill in the bank. Or, hear me out here, he could've sold to willing buyers who are pumping money into a historically smaller rival.
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Post by pughywasfree on Jul 2, 2024 21:23:32 GMT 1
Rumour I’d heard was that he’d have signed months ago if we’d offered circa 3.1k - which is a pittance for a half decent striker at this level. Apologies if that’s wrong. As for the stats, it’s well known it took Udoh a couple of seasons to become a competent striker at this level and he also spent a season out with injury. 16 and 11 goals in the other two seasons makes him prolific by our standards. We did offer him that much , it's double what he was on , he clearly wanted to sign for us ,but had an offer for more money elsewhere which he was using to try and obtain more from us , it seems he's just wasted our time being greedy , and now gets to sign for a club that wasn't his first choice , at least he has the other greedy git leahy for company Greedy is a bit much, he would never of had a decent contract, even with us he wouldn't have been on a lot. He is soon to be 28 so this is his last chance to get a wage he deserves that unfortunately we are unable to compete with.
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Post by pughywasfree on Jul 2, 2024 21:26:26 GMT 1
It makes you wonder what the point in staying up last season was. We’ve made very little effort to retain our best players, and clearly aren’t even trying to be competitive this season. We’d have retained Dunkley, Marosi and Udoh if we were a serious club. Taking an educated guess (along with some strong rumours) Dunkley and Marosi were on far more than they were worth so its a blessing they are gone. Hurst clearly believes he can get similar or better quality for less money.
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Post by pughywasfree on Jul 2, 2024 21:27:46 GMT 1
It's either that or go bust. Everything is against us this season, it's time to dig deep and get behind the team every single week to fight for every single point. I'm quite looking forward to the challange. It certainly makes a difference from finishing 17th disappointed because we could have given it a better go with a few mill in the bank. Or, hear me out here, he could've sold to willing buyers who are pumping money into a historically smaller rival. It would have been great, but we didn't so my OP is the only way we can go.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 2, 2024 21:31:36 GMT 1
We did offer him that much , it's double what he was on , he clearly wanted to sign for us ,but had an offer for more money elsewhere which he was using to try and obtain more from us , it seems he's just wasted our time being greedy , and now gets to sign for a club that wasn't his first choice , at least he has the other greedy git leahy for company Greedy is a bit much, he would never of had a decent contract, even with us he wouldn't have been on a lot. He is soon to be 28 so this is his last chance to get a wage he deserves that unfortunately we are unable to compete with. we offered him a new contract in 2023, he's dug his heels in until he bitter end, even gave interviews saying he wanted to say, we all need the money but just go somewhere else that can afford it and stop holding us to ransom, we cant he knows we cant
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Post by pughywasfree on Jul 2, 2024 21:55:25 GMT 1
Greedy is a bit much, he would never of had a decent contract, even with us he wouldn't have been on a lot. He is soon to be 28 so this is his last chance to get a wage he deserves that unfortunately we are unable to compete with. we offered him a new contract in 2023, he's dug his heels in until he bitter end, even gave interviews saying he wanted to say, we all need the money but just go somewhere else that can afford it and stop holding us to ransom, we cant he knows we cant He hasn't held us to ransom, he honered his contract then chose the best offer on the table.
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Post by blueboy48 on Jul 2, 2024 22:00:48 GMT 1
I'm sure Hurst has been working on a replacement for Udoh for months. His departure is no surprise but it is disappointing. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Shipley was also to leave. He should command a useful fee but equally importantly, it would be a high earner off the books.
Hurst will put together an organised, hard-working and fit team with some quality loans. We will certainly put in better performances than last season,so let's see where that takes us.
Whatever happens, our role as supporters will be to get behind the team in every game. Our fans love an honest team and thats what Hurst will give us.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 2, 2024 22:05:42 GMT 1
I'm sure Hurst has been working on a replacement for Udoh for months. His departure is no surprise but it is disappointing. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Shipley was also to leave. He should command a useful fee but equally importantly, it would be a high earner off the books. Hurst will put together an organised, hard-working and fit team with some quality loans. We will certainly put in better performances than last season,so let's see where that takes us. Whatever happens, our role as supporters will be to get behind the team in every game. Our fans love an honest team and thats what Hurst will give us. I couldn't really care about shipley, probably our highest earner now, but always looks unfit and lazy , I'd love to think this post came back to haunt me at the end of the season and he's had an amazing season, but I cant see him doing much, probably develop a mystery injury and miss months is my prediction
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Post by floreatsalopia1 on Jul 2, 2024 22:07:15 GMT 1
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Post by Pilch on Jul 2, 2024 22:19:43 GMT 1
same guy mocks wrexham and their new american owners , hes not sure what he wants is he
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Post by Valerioch on Jul 2, 2024 22:22:58 GMT 1
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