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Post by stuttgartershrew on May 13, 2024 7:02:09 GMT 1
Like I said, we've not played in the second tier for 35 years whilst others on a similar footing have, its something that isn't and shouldn't be beyond us. I don't think the current chairman is capable of taking the club any further than he has and yes whilst there are risks, we need a change and the sooner the better. and we could spend 12 glorious months rooted to the foot of the championship playing on random days and times of the week ;-) Rather than knocking about doing next to nothing in the bottom half of the 3rd division season after season, playing poor football and scoring next to no goals you mean? Glorious indeed. Yeah, make a change that.  |
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Post by Pilch on May 13, 2024 9:29:33 GMT 1
and we could spend 12 glorious months rooted to the foot of the championship playing on random days and times of the week ;-) Rather than knocking about doing next to nothing in the bottom half of the 3rd division season after season, playing poor football and scoring next to no goals you mean? Glorious indeed. Yeah, make a change that. during the first hurst season I seem to remember you moaning about the previous 20 years and that we haven't even consolidated at league 1 level yet, you just keep adding to that dream ;-) |
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Post by ProudSalopian on May 13, 2024 12:42:39 GMT 1
Rather than knocking about doing next to nothing in the bottom half of the 3rd division season after season, playing poor football and scoring next to no goals you mean? Glorious indeed. Yeah, make a change that. during the first hurst season I seem to remember you moaning about the previous 20 years and that we haven't even consolidated at league 1 level yet, you just keep adding to that dream ;-) Isn't that the point though? Fans dream about and want progression? First it's getting back into the third tier, then it's consolidation, then it's aiming for higher up and more than just surviving in the league. I can't imagine many supporters dreaming about 19th place and 35 goals over a season |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on May 13, 2024 14:28:57 GMT 1
during the first hurst season I seem to remember you moaning about the previous 20 years and that we haven't even consolidated at league 1 level yet, you just keep adding to that dream ;-) I can't imagine many supporters dreaming about 19th place and 35 goals over a season I can certainly think of one...🤣 |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2024 14:45:24 GMT 1
If all we aspire to is to tread water then we might as well call it a day.
The dream must always be that the good days are just around the corner, it might be a great cup run, the unearthing of a talented player or two, giving the top teams in the division a bloody nose or two.
It's nice at this time of the season to allow your heart to rule your head before the inevitable reality hits home and we again spend the season looking over our shoulder.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on May 13, 2024 14:49:06 GMT 1
Rather than knocking about doing next to nothing in the bottom half of the 3rd division season after season, playing poor football and scoring next to no goals you mean? Glorious indeed. Yeah, make a change that. during the first hurst season I seem to remember you moaning about the previous 20 years and that we haven't even consolidated at league 1 level yet I struggle to see the relevance of that but then that goes for an awful of your contributions to such discussions...👍 Again, its been 35 years since we have played in the second tier whilst many clubs of a comparable size have done so. |
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Post by belfastshrew on May 13, 2024 15:08:18 GMT 1
I heard a rumour...that we are going to win the league 🤷♂️
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Post by Pilch on May 13, 2024 16:08:13 GMT 1
I can't imagine many supporters dreaming about 19th place and 35 goals over a season I can certainly think of one...🤣 go on, name them |
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Post by hectord0g137 on May 13, 2024 16:14:17 GMT 1
Go on then I'll take one for the team it's ME!!!
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Post by dibblydobbly on May 14, 2024 15:09:06 GMT 1
If all we aspire to is to tread water then we might as well call it a day. The dream must always be that the good days are just around the corner, it might be a great cup run, the unearthing of a talented player or two, giving the top teams in the division a bloody nose or two. It's nice at this time of the season to allow your heart to rule your head before the inevitable reality hits home and we again spend the season looking over our shoulder. You never know www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-64823616 |
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Post by cabanas2017 on May 14, 2024 17:06:01 GMT 1
If all we aspire to is to tread water then we might as well call it a day. The dream must always be that the good days are just around the corner, it might be a great cup run, the unearthing of a talented player or two, giving the top teams in the division a bloody nose or two. It's nice at this time of the season to allow your heart to rule your head before the inevitable reality hits home and we again spend the season looking over our shoulder. You never know www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-64823616A one off cup tie is hardly relevant. If anything Towns 1978/79 season is a better response when Town were expected to be relegation fodder and ended up as deserved champions. |
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Post by Pilch on May 14, 2024 17:15:38 GMT 1
A one off cup tie is hardly relevant. If anything Towns 1978/79 season is a better response when Town were expected to be relegation fodder and ended up as deserved champions. back in the days where there was hardly any money in the game, certainly not from TV or sponsorship, and sides even got a chunk of the gate receipts from away games, rather than the gigantic cliff faces we now have between divisions back then it was almost a level playing field in comparison |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2024 20:39:11 GMT 1
A one off cup tie is hardly relevant. If anything Towns 1978/79 season is a better response when Town were expected to be relegation fodder and ended up as deserved champions. back in the days where there was hardly any money in the game, certainly not from TV or sponsorship, and sides even got a chunk of the gate receipts from away games, rather than the gigantic cliff faces we now have between divisions back then it was almost a level playing field in comparison I think we can all agree with that, but as fans we desperately want the good times to come. No fan wants to see their side accepting the status quo, being the one club that is always looking over their shoulder, scraping just enough points to stave off relegation for another season. We're not Man. City or Liverpool fans that expect to win every game and a trophy every year, we're Shrewsbury fans that turn up hoping for a win (and some entertainment) and maybe having the odd flirtation with the play-offs or a big cup upset. Is that too much to ask for?
If it takes a new owner to come in and shake things up a bit and show some ambition then the sooner the better for me. No-one wants some fly by night spiv to come in making unrealistic boasts about top flight football and leaving us bankrupt and spiraling down the pyramid, but no-ones wants to just stagnate for the next 30+ years in the lower reaches of the football league either.
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Post by Pilch on May 14, 2024 21:08:11 GMT 1
back in the days where there was hardly any money in the game, certainly not from TV or sponsorship, and sides even got a chunk of the gate receipts from away games, rather than the gigantic cliff faces we now have between divisions back then it was almost a level playing field in comparison I think we can all agree with that, but as fans we desperately want the good times to come. No fan wants to see their side accepting the status quo, being the one club that is always looking over their shoulder, scraping just enough points to stave off relegation for another season. We're not Man. City or Liverpool fans that expect to win every game and a trophy every year, we're Shrewsbury fans that turn up hoping for a win (and some entertainment) and maybe having the odd flirtation with the play-offs or a big cup upset. Is that too much to ask for?
If it takes a new owner to come in and shake things up a bit and show some ambition then the sooner the better for me. No-one wants some fly by night spiv to come in making unrealistic boasts about top flight football and leaving us bankrupt and spiraling down the pyramid, but no-ones wants to just stagnate for the next 30+ years in the lower reaches of the football league either.
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Post by ar**chairfan on May 14, 2024 21:09:14 GMT 1
back in the days where there was hardly any money in the game, certainly not from TV or sponsorship, and sides even got a chunk of the gate receipts from away games, rather than the gigantic cliff faces we now have between divisions back then it was almost a level playing field in comparison I think we can all agree with that, but as fans we desperately want the good times to come. No fan wants to see their side accepting the status quo, being the one club that is always looking over their shoulder, scraping just enough points to stave off relegation for another season. We're not Man. City or Liverpool fans that expect to win every game and a trophy every year, we're Shrewsbury fans that turn up hoping for a win (and some entertainment) and maybe having the odd flirtation with the play-offs or a big cup upset. Is that too much to ask for?
If it takes a new owner to come in and shake things up a bit and show some ambition then the sooner the better for me. No-one wants some fly by night spiv to come in making unrealistic boasts about top flight football and leaving us bankrupt and spiraling down the pyramid, but no-ones wants to just stagnate for the next 30+ years in the lower reaches of the football league either.
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Post by Pilch on May 14, 2024 21:12:24 GMT 1
I think we can all agree with that, but as fans we desperately want the good times to come. No fan wants to see their side accepting the status quo, being the one club that is always looking over their shoulder, scraping just enough points to stave off relegation for another season. We're not Man. City or Liverpool fans that expect to win every game and a trophy every year, we're Shrewsbury fans that turn up hoping for a win (and some entertainment) and maybe having the odd flirtation with the play-offs or a big cup upset. Is that too much to ask for?
If it takes a new owner to come in and shake things up a bit and show some ambition then the sooner the better for me. No-one wants some fly by night spiv to come in making unrealistic boasts about top flight football and leaving us bankrupt and spiraling down the pyramid, but no-ones wants to just stagnate for the next 30+ years in the lower reaches of the football league either.
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Post by dibblydobbly on May 15, 2024 20:06:10 GMT 1
A one off cup tie is hardly relevant. If anything Towns 1978/79 season is a better response when Town were expected to be relegation fodder and ended up as deserved champions. The point was that our present Head Coach took Grimsby on a record run of five wins against higher league opposition in the FA cup, and was in response to a post that dreamt of, among other things, a "great cup run". You can dream of 1978/9 if you want, I would settle for five wins against Championship and Premier League opposition in the cup and a quarterfinal to boot, but then maybe I am not ambitious enough? |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2024 20:37:39 GMT 1
I think we can all agree with that, but as fans we desperately want the good times to come. No fan wants to see their side accepting the status quo, being the one club that is always looking over their shoulder, scraping just enough points to stave off relegation for another season. We're not Man. City or Liverpool fans that expect to win every game and a trophy every year, we're Shrewsbury fans that turn up hoping for a win (and some entertainment) and maybe having the odd flirtation with the play-offs or a big cup upset. Is that too much to ask for?
If it takes a new owner to come in and shake things up a bit and show some ambition then the sooner the better for me. No-one wants some fly by night spiv to come in making unrealistic boasts about top flight football and leaving us bankrupt and spiraling down the pyramid, but no-ones wants to just stagnate for the next 30+ years in the lower reaches of the football league either.
imagine if this imaginary new owner doesn't make all these dreams come true Doesn't bare thinking about There will be new ownership within the next few years. Wycherly is 82, he will either have to hand over the reins or sell up soon, unless he intends to live forever. Whether or not that new ownership takes us forward or backward is another story.
If the likes of Luton, Bournmouth, Blackpool and even Wrexham can attract foreign investment why can't we. Historically those clubs are no bigger than us. Who or what is putting investors off?
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Post by Pilch on May 16, 2024 0:31:36 GMT 1
imagine if this imaginary new owner doesn't make all these dreams come true Doesn't bare thinking about There will be new ownership within the next few years. Wycherly is 82, he will either have to hand over the reins or sell up soon, unless he intends to live forever. Whether or not that new ownership takes us forward or backward is another story.
If the likes of Luton, Bournmouth, Blackpool and even Wrexham can attract foreign investment why can't we. Historically those clubs are no bigger than us. Who or what is putting investors off?
wasnt Blackpools owner born and bred in Blackpool, and sorry, historically they leave us for dead, 4 fa cup finals including winning probably the most famous one ever, best part of 50 years top flight football including not long ago its like comparing town to tns |
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Post by ProudSalopian on May 16, 2024 5:39:57 GMT 1
There will be new ownership within the next few years. Wycherly is 82, he will either have to hand over the reins or sell up soon, unless he intends to live forever. Whether or not that new ownership takes us forward or backward is another story.
If the likes of Luton, Bournmouth, Blackpool and even Wrexham can attract foreign investment why can't we. Historically those clubs are no bigger than us. Who or what is putting investors off?
wasnt Blackpools owner born and bred in Blackpool, and sorry, historically they leave us for dead, 4 fa cup finals including winning probably the most famous one ever, best part of 50 years top flight football including not long ago its like comparing town to tns I agree Blackpool is a poor comparison and historically a far bigger club than us, same goes for Luton. Although I'd say Bournemouth and Wrexham are a fair comparison and shows what could happen if someone were to throw a load of money at at small club. But what about Wycombe? Previously American owned, now owned by a Kazakhstani billionaire Or how about Carlisle? Now American owned Or how about Bristol Rovers? Owned by Jordanian based businessman Or how about Lincoln? Recently had investment from Americans Or how about Northampton? Recently had investment from a Jersey based businesman Or how about Cambridge? A few years ago they had investment from America This is just what I found out from a few minutes of googling. I'm sure there are lots of other stories of clubs getting investment across the football league and non league, whether thats international sources or local businessman. Yet we haven't been able to find a single person/company willing to invest in us? |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2024 7:09:20 GMT 1
There will be new ownership within the next few years. Wycherly is 82, he will either have to hand over the reins or sell up soon, unless he intends to live forever. Whether or not that new ownership takes us forward or backward is another story.
If the likes of Luton, Bournmouth, Blackpool and even Wrexham can attract foreign investment why can't we. Historically those clubs are no bigger than us. Who or what is putting investors off?
wasnt Blackpools owner born and bred in Blackpool, and sorry, historically they leave us for dead, 4 fa cup finals including winning probably the most famous one ever, best part of 50 years top flight football including not long ago its like comparing town to tns In hindsight perhaps Blackpool was a poor example, but for most of my adult life they have been at or around our level with one brief visit to the top flight after which they quickly returned to our level. Maybe Brighton and Hove Albion would have been a better comparison given that they were within minutes of going out of the league not so very long ago, had only spent 3 years in the top flight in their history prior to 2018 and have only won the league in which they have been competing in on 5 occasions (League one and League two levels). Either way, as I said if those clubs can attract investment and we can't surely we as fans, have a legitimate interest in why we can't. |
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Post by dibblydobbly on May 16, 2024 8:07:42 GMT 1
we're Shrewsbury fans that turn up hoping for a win (and some entertainment) and maybe having the odd flirtation with the play-offs or a big cup upset.
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Post by Exkeeper on May 16, 2024 8:39:51 GMT 1
Fully Agree with that, seems fair enough to me, let's see if we can make it happen. I like the”we” reference. You’re not Liam are you? |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2024 9:11:31 GMT 1
wasnt Blackpools owner born and bred in Blackpool, and sorry, historically they leave us for dead, 4 fa cup finals including winning probably the most famous one ever, best part of 50 years top flight football including not long ago its like comparing town to tns I agree Blackpool is a poor comparison and historically a far bigger club than us, same goes for Luton. Although I'd say Bournemouth and Wrexham are a fair comparison and shows what could happen if someone were to throw a load of money at at small club. But what about Wycombe? Previously American owned, now owned by a Kazakhstani billionaire Or how about Carlisle? Now American owned Or how about Bristol Rovers? Owned by Jordanian based businessman Or how about Lincoln? Recently had investment from Americans Or how about Northampton? Recently had investment from a Jersey based businesman Or how about Cambridge? A few years ago they had investment from America This is just what I found out from a few minutes of googling. I'm sure there are lots of other stories of clubs getting investment across the football league and non league, whether thats international sources or local businessman. Yet we haven't been able to find a single person/company willing to invest in us? In the non league you've also got the recent examples of Rochdale and Torquay Utd. |
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Post by belfastshrew on May 16, 2024 10:14:04 GMT 1
I think Oldham and Frank Rothwell would be a likely similar outcome for us.
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 16, 2024 10:39:17 GMT 1
wasnt Blackpools owner born and bred in Blackpool, and sorry, historically they leave us for dead, 4 fa cup finals including winning probably the most famous one ever, best part of 50 years top flight football including not long ago its like comparing town to tns I agree Blackpool is a poor comparison and historically a far bigger club than us, same goes for Luton. Although I'd say Bournemouth and Wrexham are a fair comparison and shows what could happen if someone were to throw a load of money at at small club. But what about Wycombe? Previously American owned, now owned by a Kazakhstani billionaire Or how about Carlisle? Now American owned Or how about Bristol Rovers? Owned by Jordanian based businessman Or how about Lincoln? Recently had investment from Americans Or how about Northampton? Recently had investment from a Jersey based businesman Or how about Cambridge? A few years ago they had investment from America This is just what I found out from a few minutes of googling. I'm sure there are lots of other stories of clubs getting investment across the football league and non league, whether thats international sources or local businessman. Yet we haven't been able to find a single person/company willing to invest in us? Recently there was supposed to be the Paul Delves es consortium and a greenhouse interested in buying the club but it did not get anywhere, I don't know about the validity of these bids but it does seem strange there is no interest in the club,the chairman cant go on for ever. |
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Post by dibblydobbly on May 16, 2024 10:46:03 GMT 1
Fully Agree with that, seems fair enough to me, let's see if we can make it happen. I like the”we” reference. You’re not Liam are you? **Snork** Oh to be that young and slim (if I ever was) |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2024 10:51:20 GMT 1
I agree Blackpool is a poor comparison and historically a far bigger club than us, same goes for Luton. Although I'd say Bournemouth and Wrexham are a fair comparison and shows what could happen if someone were to throw a load of money at at small club. But what about Wycombe? Previously American owned, now owned by a Kazakhstani billionaire Or how about Carlisle? Now American owned Or how about Bristol Rovers? Owned by Jordanian based businessman Or how about Lincoln? Recently had investment from Americans Or how about Northampton? Recently had investment from a Jersey based businesman Or how about Cambridge? A few years ago they had investment from America This is just what I found out from a few minutes of googling. I'm sure there are lots of other stories of clubs getting investment across the football league and non league, whether thats international sources or local businessman. Yet we haven't been able to find a single person/company willing to invest in us? Recently there was supposed to be the Paul Delves es consortium and a greenhouse interested in buying the club but it did not get anywhere, I don't know about the validity of these bids but it does seem strange there is no interest in the club,the chairman cant go on for ever. As the CEO said, "we've been seeking new investment for 10 years..." That's a long time without anything substantial taking place. You've got to wonder why? |
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Post by Pilch on May 16, 2024 10:53:50 GMT 1
wasnt Blackpools owner born and bred in Blackpool, and sorry, historically they leave us for dead, 4 fa cup finals including winning probably the most famous one ever, best part of 50 years top flight football including not long ago its like comparing town to tns I agree Blackpool is a poor comparison and historically a far bigger club than us, same goes for Luton. Although I'd say Bournemouth and Wrexham are a fair comparison and shows what could happen if someone were to throw a load of money at at small club. But what about Wycombe? Previously American owned, now owned by a Kazakhstani billionaire Or how about Carlisle? Now American owned Or how about Bristol Rovers? Owned by Jordanian based businessman Or how about Lincoln? Recently had investment from Americans Or how about Northampton? Recently had investment from a Jersey based businesman Or how about Cambridge? A few years ago they had investment from America This is just what I found out from a few minutes of googling. I'm sure there are lots of other stories of clubs getting investment across the football league and non league, whether thats international sources or local businessman. Yet we haven't been able to find a single person/company willing to invest in us? What about Birmingham City ? is there any reason youve not included them ? they are the perfect example of a new owner coming in with nothing but ambition Last July new owners over the longest standing club the championship , started the season off well and then made the ambitiious move of splashing out on a new manager to help take them onto the next stage of their journey It worked alright 😝 That's what our fans want isn't it ? New owners www.bbc.com/sport/football/66192434.ampBirmingham City Co-Owner and Chairman of the Board, Tom Wagner said: “Wayne is a born winner. We believe, with the support of his coaching staff, the Club, and our supporters, he will take Blues forward on the next stage of our journey. His playing philosophy will help to realise the ambitions we have set for Birmingham City. |
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Post by ProudSalopian on May 16, 2024 11:00:57 GMT 1
What about Birmingham City ? is there any reason youve not included them ? You challenged Neil because you felt Blackpool was not a fair comparison, therefore I highlighted other clubs who are of a similar size and have been able to attract investment. I'm not going to include Birmingham in that list am I? I know what you are doing, trying to move the conversation away from 'why can Shrewsbury Town not attract investment' to 'there are bad owners out there'. Of course there are, no one is denying that. But it doesn't change the fact that our current chairman has struggled to find investment. |
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