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Post by ssshrew on May 10, 2024 16:36:28 GMT 1
Indeed. A team committed to the cause and giving their all. Those were the days.
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Post by chirkshrew on May 10, 2024 18:18:49 GMT 1
Absolutely 👍👍
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Post by cabanas2017 on May 10, 2024 21:58:49 GMT 1
Nothing wrong with wanting a little excitement, but demanding change because of it is perhaps less helpful. I get what you are saying and there plenty of clubs who have got rid of managers because they want more excitement, only for it to backfire on them. But we aren't replacing a manager here, this is about ownership. I said a few weeks ago that apart from that one season under Hurst, we have generally strugled in L1, since coming up our finishes have been 20th, 18th, 3rd, 18th, 15th, 17th, 18th, 12th and 19th. That really is a terrible record and it's not as simple as saying that fans want excitement, fans want to see progression and we aren't geting that, we are generally plodding along with no idea of what our ambition/strategy is. And as we've struggled in L1, its clear to me that is partly because Roland doesn't have the finances to take us any further (not a criticism, just a fact) As well as the on field dullness, there's then a whole raft of stuff off the field where I think we are stuck in the past and that's a big factor as to why I'd like someone new take over. Yes of course there's risks with new people coming in, but I'd argue that's not a reason to continue with our current approach Bang on - excellent post
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on May 10, 2024 22:56:44 GMT 1
I get what you are saying and there plenty of clubs who have got rid of managers because they want more excitement, only for it to backfire on them. But we aren't replacing a manager here, this is about ownership. I said a few weeks ago that apart from that one season under Hurst, we have generally strugled in L1, since coming up our finishes have been 20th, 18th, 3rd, 18th, 15th, 17th, 18th, 12th and 19th. That really is a terrible record and it's not as simple as saying that fans want excitement, fans want to see progression and we aren't geting that, we are generally plodding along with no idea of what our ambition/strategy is. And as we've struggled in L1, its clear to me that is partly because Roland doesn't have the finances to take us any further (not a criticism, just a fact) As well as the on field dullness, there's then a whole raft of stuff off the field where I think we are stuck in the past and that's a big factor as to why I'd like someone new take over. Yes of course there's risks with new people coming in, but I'd argue that's not a reason to continue with our current approach Bang on - excellent post
We don't have a terrible record in League One. To suggest so is nonsense.
We are now the longest serving member of this division.
Since we came up in 2015 here is what others have done.
PROMOTED Wigan x3
Burton Barnsley x2
Sheffield United Bolton Blackburn Rotherham x3
Luton Charlton Coventry Wycombe Hull Peterborough Blackpool Sunderland Plymouth Ipswich Sheffield Wednesday Portsmouth Derby Then Oxford OR Bolton AGAIN!
RELEGATED Doncaster x2
Blackpool Crewe x2
Colchester Port Vale x2
Swindon x2
Coventry Oldham Northampton x2
Bury x2
MK Dons x2
Chesterfield Plymouth Walsall Sc***horpe Bradford Tranmere Southend Bolton
Rochdale Bristol Rovers Gillingham
AFC Wimbledon
Morecambe Forest Green Accrington Carlisle x2
Cheltenham Fleetwood
Of the clubs that have been promoted only Burton are smaller than us out of the 20 with Rotherham and Wycombe sort of comparable.
Of the clubs who have gone down some traditional rivals there have gone down and some fairly big clubs like Bolton, Blackpool and Bradford.
29 clubs have not managed to maintain their league one status in the decade that we have.
Of those clubs who went down several went into the non league and only 3 will start next season in a higher division to Shrewsbury, and we'd all agree Bolton, Plymouth and Coventry are bigger clubs than us.
So in that decade while some of the bigger clubs had a punt at the championship still 9 of the 20 promoted sides are back in league one.
The smaller clubs went down, and several into the non league or worse (Bury).
There is not a single club the same size or smaller than Shrewsbury in the championship.
I don't think you can complain about Shrewsbury being a bottom third league one club.
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Post by ProudSalopian on May 11, 2024 5:57:14 GMT 1
We don't have a terrible record in League One. To suggest so is nonsense.
We are now the longest serving member of this .
Would disagree (hence my previous post). Yes we might have been here a while and yes bigger clubs than us have fallen out of the league, but look at our finishes. We've one very good season and one respectable season (which nearly bankrupted us), the rest of the time it's between 20th and 17th and I don't consider that anything to brag about. Some of our fans seem to think we are punching above our weight by simply being in L1 and I completely disagree with that. As I've explained previously, yes there's some big clubs we can't compete with financially but there are still plenty of other clubs who are similar sized clubs who are finishing above us. We dont have a divine right to do anything in this league but equally I don't accept that being in it should be considered something to celebrate. Football has changed a lot and our boardroom structure is an outdated one, which is why we have been left behind. The challenge as always is investment, yes we are a bit of a backwater club but clubs across the country and at all levels are getting new investors/owners, why do we struggle to do that? Most of our fans have heard stories of how our chairman can operate, if you were an investor, would you want to work with someone like that?
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on May 11, 2024 7:09:36 GMT 1
We don't have a terrible record in League One. To suggest so is nonsense.
We are now the longest serving member of this .
Would disagree (hence my previous post). Yes we might have been here a while and yes bigger clubs than us have fallen out of the league, but look at our finishes. We've one very good season and one respectable season (which nearly bankrupted us), the rest of the time it's between 20th and 17th and I don't consider that anything to brag about. Some of our fans seem to think we are punching above our weight by simply being in L1 and I completely disagree with that. As I've explained previously, yes there's some big clubs we can't compete with financially but there are still plenty of other clubs who are similar sized clubs who are finishing above us. We dont have a divine right to do anything in this league but equally I don't accept that being in it should be considered something to celebrate. Football has changed a lot and our boardroom structure is an outdated one, which is why we have been left behind. The challenge as always is investment, yes we are a bit of a backwater club but clubs across the country and at all levels are getting new investors/owners, why do we struggle to do that? Most of our fans have heard stories of how our chairman can operate, if you were an investor, would you want to work with someone like that? I'm not denying the limitations of our ownership model. But I am not sure fans have got up to speed with how football has changed in the last 20 years. Sure Fleetwood did well for a while with their dodgy owner and then fell away. No-one goes up and stays up unless their crowd is double ours. It's basic economics. It's almost like the premier League is the old European cup, the championship is the old first division etc. That spell in the championship in the 80s is not comparable to now because of how other clubs have developed and it's almost always based on size of fanbase. There are few clubs our size regularly outdoing us over time. Most have a decent season or two then get relegated.
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Post by MartinB on May 11, 2024 7:20:51 GMT 1
We don't have a terrible record in League One. To suggest so is nonsense.
We are now the longest serving member of this division.
Since we came up in 2015 here is what others have done.
PROMOTED Wigan x3
Burton Barnsley x2
Sheffield United Bolton Blackburn Rotherham x3
Luton Charlton Coventry Wycombe Hull Peterborough Blackpool Sunderland Plymouth Ipswich Sheffield Wednesday Portsmouth Derby Then Oxford OR Bolton AGAIN!
RELEGATED Doncaster x2
Blackpool Crewe x2
Colchester Port Vale x2
Swindon x2
Coventry Oldham Northampton x2
Bury x2
MK Dons x2
Chesterfield Plymouth Walsall Sc***horpe Bradford Tranmere Southend Bolton
Rochdale Bristol Rovers Gillingham
AFC Wimbledon
Morecambe Forest Green Accrington Carlisle x2
Cheltenham Fleetwood
Of the clubs that have been promoted only Burton are smaller than us out of the 20 with Rotherham and Wycombe sort of comparable.
Of the clubs who have gone down some traditional rivals there have gone down and some fairly big clubs like Bolton, Blackpool and Bradford.
29 clubs have not managed to maintain their league one status in the decade that we have.
Of those clubs who went down several went into the non league and only 3 will start next season in a higher division to Shrewsbury, and we'd all agree Bolton, Plymouth and Coventry are bigger clubs than us.
So in that decade while some of the bigger clubs had a punt at the championship still 9 of the 20 promoted sides are back in league one.
The smaller clubs went down, and several into the non league or worse (Bury).
There is not a single club the same size or smaller than Shrewsbury in the championship.
I don't think you can complain about Shrewsbury being a bottom third league one club.
Now this post is bang on. Now if we had spent 15 years in the Conference/National League that would be terrible performance. Personally a small Club like ours in modern football managing to survive in the third tier is pretty amazing considering the money loads of clubs spend. Will be worse next season
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Post by Pilch on May 11, 2024 8:15:47 GMT 1
- Club sale/investment potentially imminent - Max Mata could be off to New Zealand - Micky Moore out of favour. Can’t divulge my sources but has anyone else heard similar? I heard a rumour today re takeovers ( or not ) Nothing at the moment but expressions of interest and nothing imminent source Liam Dooley CEO Shrewsbury town ( on radio Shropshire) back to this thread and the rumour of an imminent deal being done , I guess if we sell during the summer ( which we are desperate to ) it can be claimed it was true , and if it doesn't sell they can make up another false rumour and say the chairman fell out with them
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Post by cabanas2017 on May 12, 2024 8:37:16 GMT 1
- Club sale/investment potentially imminent - Max Mata could be off to New Zealand - Micky Moore out of favour. Can’t divulge my sources but has anyone else heard similar? I heard a rumour today re takeovers ( or not ) Nothing at the moment but expressions of interest and nothing imminent source Liam Dooley CEO Shrewsbury town ( on radio Shropshire) back to this thread and the rumour of an imminent deal being done , I guess if we sell during the summer ( which we are desperate to ) it can be claimed it was true , and if it doesn't sell they can make up another false rumour and say the chairman fell out with them If Roland is desperate to sell, surely he must realise the current asking price has to come right down from what he wanted when the club had 3 million the bank and not losing a substantial sum every month. You can only blame the Chairman for the current financial mess and privately you would think he realises this. The cost of regaining financial control is a likely relegation next season and if Hurst and staff pull off surviving the Chairman owes them big time.
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Post by Pilch on May 12, 2024 8:40:37 GMT 1
I heard a rumour today re takeovers ( or not ) Nothing at the moment but expressions of interest and nothing imminent source Liam Dooley CEO Shrewsbury town ( on radio Shropshire) back to this thread and the rumour of an imminent deal being done , I guess if we sell during the summer ( which we are desperate to ) it can be claimed it was true , and if it doesn't sell they can make up another false rumour and say the chairman fell out with them If Roland is desperate to sell, surely he must realise the current asking price has to come right down from what he wanted when the club had 3 million the bank and not losing a substantial sum every month. You can only blame the Chairman for the current financial mess and privately you would think he realises this. The cost of regaining financial control is a likely relegation next season and if Hurst and staff pull off surviving the Chairman owes them big time. it has
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Post by cabanas2017 on May 12, 2024 9:02:20 GMT 1
If Roland is desperate to sell, surely he must realise the current asking price has to come right down from what he wanted when the club had 3 million the bank and not losing a substantial sum every month. You can only blame the Chairman for the current financial mess and privately you would think he realises this. The cost of regaining financial control is a likely relegation next season and if Hurst and staff pull off surviving the Chairman owes them big time. it has Clearly not enough Should have sold to Greenhous when he had the chance
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Post by Pilch on May 12, 2024 9:23:58 GMT 1
Clearly not enough Should have sold to Greenhous when he had the chance how much did he offer to buy the club ?
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Post by llanymynechshrew on May 12, 2024 9:39:31 GMT 1
I heard a rumour today re takeovers ( or not ) Nothing at the moment but expressions of interest and nothing imminent source Liam Dooley CEO Shrewsbury town ( on radio Shropshire) back to this thread and the rumour of an imminent deal being done , I guess if we sell during the summer ( which we are desperate to ) it can be claimed it was true , and if it doesn't sell they can make up another false rumour and say the chairman fell out with them If Roland is desperate to sell, surely he must realise the current asking price has to come right down from what he wanted when the club had 3 million the bank and not losing a substantial sum every month. You can only blame the Chairman for the current financial mess and privately you would think he realises this. The cost of regaining financial control is a likely relegation next season and if Hurst and staff pull off surviving the Chairman owes them big time. Asset stripping wonderland. Low cost valuation and high value assets. Someone buying a club cheap is not necessarily a good thing. If they cannot afford 10/12m. Then at best we're no better off, or it's more likely we're a whole lot worse off.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on May 12, 2024 10:13:31 GMT 1
There are few clubs our size regularly outdoing us over time. Most have a decent season or two then get relegated. Which is exactly what I would expect if we were ever to go up from this division but I would take that...👍 Just checking, since the 2nd division became the Championship we have seen the likes of Bournemouth, Brentford, Burton, Colchester, Crewe, Doncaster, Gillingham, MK, Peterborough, Rotherham, Sc***horpe, Southend, Wigan, Wycombe and Yeovil promoted to it. I wouldn't put us too far off those listed above. Granted there are some stories of their own in there; huge investment to the likes of Bournemouth, Brentford for example and the likes of Southend and Yeovil tumbling further down the pyramid but many are still kicking about in the 3rd and 4th. And looking to those who had a stint in the 2nd only to find themselves back in the 4th say, I suspect we will end up back in the 4th at some point anyhow and I would rather have a stint in the 2nd in between no matter how brief.
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Post by Pilch on May 12, 2024 10:45:10 GMT 1
There are few clubs our size regularly outdoing us over time. Most have a decent season or two then get relegated. Which is exactly what I would expect if we were ever to go up from this division but I would take that...👍 Just checking, since the 2nd division became the Championship we have seen the likes of Bournemouth, Brentford, Burton, Colchester, Crewe, Doncaster, Gillingham, MK, Peterborough, Rotherham, Sc***horpe, Southend, Wigan, Wycombe and Yeovil promoted to it. I wouldn't put us too far off those listed above. Granted there are some stories of their own in there; huge investment to the likes of Bournemouth, Brentford for example and the likes of Southend and Yeovil tumbling further down the pyramid but many are still kicking about in the 3rd and 4th. And looking to those who had a stint in the 2nd only to find themselves back in the 4th say, I suspect we will end up back in the 4th at some point anyhow and I would rather have a stint in the 2nd in between no matter how brief. some of those names on there getting promoted was quite eye opening for me at the time Burton, colchester, crewe, Sc***horpe, yeovil, Southend but as the saying goes , form is temporary class is permanent I prefer to say class is permanent ,form is temporary as all those clubs have since proved give us another few seasons I wouldn't be surprised to see Southend back in the league and Burton back out of it
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Post by stuttgartershrew on May 12, 2024 10:52:41 GMT 1
Which is exactly what I would expect if we were ever to go up from this division but I would take that...👍 Just checking, since the 2nd division became the Championship we have seen the likes of Bournemouth, Brentford, Burton, Colchester, Crewe, Doncaster, Gillingham, MK, Peterborough, Rotherham, Sc***horpe, Southend, Wigan, Wycombe and Yeovil promoted to it. I wouldn't put us too far off those listed above. Granted there are some stories of their own in there; huge investment to the likes of Bournemouth, Brentford for example and the likes of Southend and Yeovil tumbling further down the pyramid but many are still kicking about in the 3rd and 4th. And looking to those who had a stint in the 2nd only to find themselves back in the 4th say, I suspect we will end up back in the 4th at some point anyhow and I would rather have a stint in the 2nd in between no matter how brief. some of those names on there getting promoted was quite eye opening for me at the time Burton, colchester, crewe, Sc***horpe, yeovil, Southend but as the saying goes , form is temporary class is permanent I prefer to say class is permanent ,form is temporary as all those clubs have since proved give us another few seasons I wouldn't be surprised to see Southend back in the league and Burton back out of it Like I say, I suspect we'll be back in the 4th at some point too in the not so distant future anyhow. And I see nothing wrong with wanting a stint in the 2nd before that comes about. And when looking to those clubs who have done so, I do not see why we as a fanbase should consider it beyond us or that we should be satisfied that we are seemingly no nearer doing so despite 10 years at this level...👍
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Post by Pilch on May 12, 2024 11:12:05 GMT 1
some of those names on there getting promoted was quite eye opening for me at the time Burton, colchester, crewe, Sc***horpe, yeovil, Southend but as the saying goes , form is temporary class is permanent I prefer to say class is permanent ,form is temporary as all those clubs have since proved give us another few seasons I wouldn't be surprised to see Southend back in the league and Burton back out of it Like I say, I suspect we'll be back in the 4th at some point too in the not so distant future anyhow. And I see nothing wrong with wanting a stint in the 2nd before that comes about. And when looking to those clubs who have done so, I do not see why we as a fanbase should consider it beyond us or that we should be satisfied that we are seemingly no nearer doing so despite 10 years at this level...👍 well we almost did not long ago but failed at the final hurdle, and even a couple of seasons ago we were actually in a play off spot at one point but we fell away despite the club throwing a lot more at it than was sustainable little clubs dont get too many chances and fans should expect them to keep coming along
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Post by hectord0g137 on May 12, 2024 11:25:50 GMT 1
During our glory days in the old 2nd division I was out of the country most of the 10 years but did take in the odd game when home. Genuine question did those years bring us near breaking point or were we managed financially well. We did have some high earners I am lead to believe. .
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Post by shrewd67 on May 12, 2024 11:33:51 GMT 1
During our glory days in the old 2nd division I was out of the country most of the 10 years but did take in the odd game when home. Genuine question did those years bring us near breaking point or were we managed financially well. We did have some high earners I am lead to believe. . I don’t recall any financial pressure during that period though we had some good cup runs with tv money and big crowds. That first season in what is now the Championship we averaged over 9,000.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on May 12, 2024 11:47:48 GMT 1
During our glory days in the old 2nd division I was out of the country most of the 10 years but did take in the odd game when home. Genuine question did those years bring us near breaking point or were we managed financially well. We did have some high earners I am lead to believe. . I don’t recall any financial pressure during that period though we had some good cup runs with tv money and big crowds. That first season in what is now the Championship we averaged over 9,000. Think the financial pressure started to build with Ian MacNeil and the team he started to build. A few of them wouldnt have come cheaply even though they were past their best. Probably continued with John Bond. By the time Roland took over we were well and truly running at a huge loss and cost cutting measures had to be implemented with Jake King having nothing at all to spend and ultimately losing our FL place for a season. Thankfully there were several youngsters coming through which gained us some money and of course the 2003 cup run against Everton and Chelsea.
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Post by armchairfan on May 12, 2024 12:03:48 GMT 1
There are some on here, notably our leader, who seem prepared to accept the status quo, for fear that risking anything different may prove to be far far worse such as succesive relegations leading to the ultimate collapse of the Club we love; many have said that they are happy to lend their support at whatever level the Club finds itself. Such a view, honest and sincere though it may be, does, however encapsulate the ultimate Fear - that of the Unknown; if Homo Sapiens had allowed all his thinking to be governed by that fear, none of us would be here today on this planet: the human race would, in all liklihood, failed to adapt, develop and flourish.
Another point I would make is that those who support the status quo, so far as ownership is concerned, do not, to my mind, quite "get" the whole point of competitive sport, which is surely to demonstrate superiority over one's opposition, and not MERELY to survive: that is a mind-numbingly barren prospect.
As I see the current situation, Mr Wycherley wishes to sell, and few on here raise a principled objection to that; the question of ownership is, however, just the tip of the iceberg: what sort of Club do we want; there is a vast range between financial chicanery and mismanagement on the one hand and well-resourced and managed competitiveness on the other.
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Post by chirkshrew on May 12, 2024 12:05:38 GMT 1
Yep.....dick pratley,Alan Irvine,Dougie bell,Jim Melrose etc....cost us a few quid,dunno about Vic kasule....but he was a joy to behold!!!👍👍
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on May 12, 2024 13:09:42 GMT 1
Yep.....dick pratley,Alan Irvine,Dougie bell,Jim Melrose etc....cost us a few quid,dunno about Vic kasule....but he was a joy to behold!!!👍👍 Micky Thomas, Doug Rougvie, Asa Hartford, John Bond as well.
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Post by suttonshrew on May 12, 2024 13:46:45 GMT 1
Personally I think the best thing for all now is a sale
The chairman won’t want to risk the work he’s done and become a target if we struggle next season and the club needs investment
The issue will always be price I’ve heard 15m, 12m, 10m. All imo are unrealistic for a business that’s needing to be propped up. I’d also expect that amount to increase the more the chairman puts in, which takes it even further away from being viable.
unlike any other business a football club is only worth what someone will pay, balance sheets, assets etc are pointless as what do you ultimately gain from owing a football ground?
Something will have to give at some point, I just hope the chairman can let go and enjoy his retirement
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Post by davycrockett on May 12, 2024 14:18:19 GMT 1
During our glory days in the old 2nd division I was out of the country most of the 10 years but did take in the odd game when home. Genuine question did those years bring us near breaking point or were we managed financially well. We did have some high earners I am lead to believe. . Never really understood why attendances dropped of the cliff after the first year in the 2nd division Average 6099 in the promotion year which was an increase of 2,500 on the previous year, went up to 8782 in the first year in 2nd but dropped by over 3000 the next year which was lower than the season we got promoted. Crowds continued to drop and never exceeded our promotion season again. Seems fans soon got fed up playing at a higher level so maybe a promotion season would attract more crowds although it would likely mean relegation first.
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Post by davycrockett on May 12, 2024 14:24:03 GMT 1
Personally I think the best thing for all now is a sale The chairman won’t want to risk the work he’s done and become a target if we struggle next season and the club needs investment The issue will always be price I’ve heard 15m, 12m, 10m. All imo are unrealistic for a business that’s needing to be propped up. I’d also expect that amount to increase the more the chairman puts in, which takes it even further away from being viable. unlike any other business a football club is only worth what someone will pay, balance sheets, assets etc are pointless as what do you ultimately gain from owing a football ground? Something will have to give at some point, I just hope the chairman can let go and enjoy his retirement I’ve heard £10million discounted to £8million for Delves but that was 18 months ago before we had at least £2million in debt so can’t see how £10 million is still realistic. Somewhere between 5 and 8 million with Directors loans repaid seems more likely now especially for a quick sale to someone who’s also going to invest further in the club.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on May 12, 2024 14:38:58 GMT 1
Like I say, I suspect we'll be back in the 4th at some point too in the not so distant future anyhow. And I see nothing wrong with wanting a stint in the 2nd before that comes about. And when looking to those clubs who have done so, I do not see why we as a fanbase should consider it beyond us or that we should be satisfied that we are seemingly no nearer doing so despite 10 years at this level...👍 well we almost did not long ago but failed at the final hurdle, and even a couple of seasons ago we were actually in a play off spot at one point but we fell away despite the club throwing a lot more at it than was sustainable little clubs dont get too many chances and fans should expect them to keep coming along We've not played in the second tier for 35 years whilst others on a similar footing have, its something that isn't and shouldn't be beyond us.
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Post by Pilch on May 12, 2024 14:54:08 GMT 1
well we almost did not long ago but failed at the final hurdle, and even a couple of seasons ago we were actually in a play off spot at one point but we fell away despite the club throwing a lot more at it than was sustainable little clubs dont get too many chances and fans should expect them to keep coming along We've not played in the second tier for 35 years whilst others on a similar footing have, its something that isn't and shouldn't be beyond us. we've not been in admin either, or gone bust or dropped down into Telford's current territory, quite often associated with taking unsustainable chances, some club might have gone for broke last season and doubled down, thankfully we didn't
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Post by stuttgartershrew on May 12, 2024 18:16:05 GMT 1
We've not played in the second tier for 35 years whilst others on a similar footing have, its something that isn't and shouldn't be beyond us. we've not been in admin either, or gone bust or dropped down into Telford's current territory, quite often associated with taking unsustainable chances, some club might have gone for broke last season and doubled down, thankfully we didn't Like I said, we've not played in the second tier for 35 years whilst others on a similar footing have, its something that isn't and shouldn't be beyond us. I don't think the current chairman is capable of taking the club any further than he has and yes whilst their are risks, we need a change and the sooner the better.
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Post by Pilch on May 12, 2024 18:43:08 GMT 1
we've not been in admin either, or gone bust or dropped down into Telford's current territory, quite often associated with taking unsustainable chances, some club might have gone for broke last season and doubled down, thankfully we didn't Like I said, we've not played in the second tier for 35 years whilst others on a similar footing have, its something that isn't and shouldn't be beyond us. I don't think the current chairman is capable of taking the club any further than he has and yes whilst there are risks, we need a change and the sooner the better. well keep dreaming, one of these years it may well come true and we could spend 12 glorious months rooted to the foot of the championship playing on random days and times of the week ;-)
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