|
Post by Feedo Gnasher on May 9, 2024 11:33:42 GMT 1
The managed decline of STFC.
|
|
|
Post by davycrockett on May 9, 2024 12:29:57 GMT 1
I have not heard the American rumours, but I have no “inside” information. Care to fill us in? neither do I, but I believe this tread is a follow on about the so called american take over It’s just fans having a laugh during the closed season guessing what’s going on due to the lack of any information from the club.
|
|
|
Post by Exkeeper on May 9, 2024 14:21:58 GMT 1
This is STFC so I suspect we will still be speculating at Christmas with no further updates from the club. At least the “value” of the club has not been significantly reduced due to relegation!
|
|
|
Post by Exkeeper on May 9, 2024 14:36:47 GMT 1
Udoh has to think of his family, so with that in mind he will no doubt accept the highest offer. If he was just thinking of himself he may think he is Championship standard so why note move? The downside of both arguments is that many of us believe that he may struggle at a higher level so taking the money could go hand in hand with long stretches of bench warming.
|
|
|
Post by staffordshrew on May 9, 2024 15:07:16 GMT 1
Think Udoh has been happy here, think we looked after him well when injured, think he's always done the best he can for us. But, he has to think about his career, how short it is, how many big pay days he might have left. In his best seasons I used to think if Birmingham City came along that might be a dream job for him. Well, now they are league 1 and he, perhaps, isn't at the very top of his game, that move could happen to both parties mutual benefit?
|
|
|
Post by davycrockett on May 9, 2024 15:24:03 GMT 1
Udoh has to think of his family, so with that in mind he will no doubt accept the highest offer. If he was just thinking of himself he may think he is Championship standard so why note move? The downside of both arguments is that many of us believe that he may struggle at a higher level so taking the money could go hand in hand with long stretches of bench warming. Think he’d be a lucky boy pulling in £150k a year plus at a club where 1 more season might make him worth so much more. Go for £50k a year more and sit on the bench whilst his value and wage drop might be a mistake I agree .
|
|
|
Post by tarporleyblue on May 9, 2024 15:55:26 GMT 1
If his contract offer is a derisory one* then of course he's going to hang fire and wait for other interest.
*compared to what he was on previously.
|
|
|
Post by davycrockett on May 9, 2024 16:03:04 GMT 1
If his contract offer is a derisory one* then of course he's going to hang fire and wait for other interest. *compared to what he was on previously. I heard it was doubling it from £1500 to £3000 a week but not sure about the source 😉
|
|
|
Post by northwestman on May 9, 2024 17:28:16 GMT 1
Mickey Moore being out of favour, but being one of the highest paid people at the club doesn't sound like good news at all to me. Wonder what the truth is?
Is he out of favour?
Is he one of the highest paid people at the club?
What we know is that he is in post and the more success he has the more success the club has, so good luck.
What success? Other than Hernes being sold to Newcastle I can't think of much else. And Hernes was already with us in 2022. The loans and the Irish signings were certainly very disappointing to say the least.
|
|
|
Post by Pilch on May 9, 2024 18:10:55 GMT 1
Wonder what the truth is?
Is he out of favour?
Is he one of the highest paid people at the club?
What we know is that he is in post and the more success he has the more success the club has, so good luck.
What success? Other than Hernes being sold to Newcastle I can't think of much else. And Hernes was already with us in 2022. The loans and the Irish signings were certainly very disappointing to say the least. Leahy given a contract and then sold on , although maybe more credit to the previous guy for that one
|
|
|
Post by staffordshrew on May 9, 2024 18:18:42 GMT 1
Wonder what the truth is?
Is he out of favour?
Is he one of the highest paid people at the club?
What we know is that he is in post and the more success he has the more success the club has, so good luck.
What success? Other than Hernes being sold to Newcastle I can't think of much else. And Hernes was already with us in 2022. The loans and the Irish signings were certainly very disappointing to say the least. "has" is not in the past tense. Here's to future successes!
|
|
|
Post by pughywasfree on May 9, 2024 20:24:19 GMT 1
That amazing season from cotterill that netted us 11 more points than this current one that many class as abysmal Fine margins 😝 Of course, that's why I carefully chose my language. That season ended abysmally but at one point, when we had won six on the bounce, I stand by my description that there was some excitement around the club and around the very faint chance we might make the play offs. We all know what happened next of course, but the point I'm trying to make is that I remember and crave the thrill that came with it, not the mundanity and boredom that seems to flow season after season right now. If it takes some change at the top AND some risk taking to sweep away the apathy that seeps right through the club and, I suspect, also through many of its fans, then I'm all for that. Couldn't agree more. For me we havent even had a decent relegation scrap to get excited about. We have always flirted with it and then been comfortable by the 2nd half of the season. No great escapes, no nail-biting must win games its all just been meh. I expect we will get exactly that if we are lucky next season.
|
|
|
Post by Feedo Gnasher on May 10, 2024 8:26:32 GMT 1
There’s no such thing as a decent relegation scrap. If you’re praying for a last day survival or something similar, it means you’ve endured a season of utter dross, no thank you.
|
|
|
Post by Pilch on May 10, 2024 9:13:59 GMT 1
There’s no such thing as a decent relegation scrap. If you’re praying for a last day survival or something similar, it means you’ve endured a season of utter dross, no thank you. of course there is, but its all dependant on the final outcome, survival is as good a feeling as promotion at the moment its achieved , and the more dramatic the survival the better the feeling, it was just pointed out we haven't been in that position in this 10 year run, instead we've had our best 3 seasons since the 80s including a very near promotion and several exciting cup runs to sum up this last decade compare it to the decade before that and then the one before that etc
|
|
|
Post by ssshrew on May 10, 2024 9:16:35 GMT 1
I certainly will never forget the great escape at Exeter. Whether I would want to go through it again is a completely different matter!
|
|
|
Post by shrewdshrewssupporter on May 10, 2024 10:16:05 GMT 1
Nothing wrong with wanting a little excitement, but demanding change because of it is perhaps less helpful.
Every club in the league will want to have a playoff push or a cup run or some form of excitement, so why should we be special?
Obviously the club (like every other club) will try to give us the best shot of doing something of note, but the reality is that finances will play a large part in who does actually have the best shot.
On that front, as has been discussed many times, we are probably towards the bottom of the league.
My view is that the longer you stay in League 1, the more chance you have of a freak Hurst season which will bring prosperity to the club for years to come.
Therefore, while not huge fun, I will take lower league finishes each year, in the hopes of something far better at some point further down the line.
As I said, nothing wrong with wanting more, but in the context that every other club will be in a similar boat - there is nothing that makes us special / gives us a divine right to that success.
|
|
|
Post by wakemanender on May 10, 2024 10:27:44 GMT 1
I certainly will never forget the great escape at Exeter. Whether I would want to go through it again is a completely different matter!
|
|
|
Post by wakemanender on May 10, 2024 10:29:59 GMT 1
It's a good job we didn't need a great escape performance against Orient because we would be relegated now.
|
|
|
Post by Pilch on May 10, 2024 10:37:35 GMT 1
It's a good job we didn't need a great escape performance against Orient because we would be relegated now. a lot of fans start scaremongering about relegation during the season, its a bit of a stretch to do so after the season has finished and we stayed up
|
|
|
Post by GrizzlyShrew on May 10, 2024 11:25:53 GMT 1
It's a good job we didn't need a great escape performance against Orient because we would be relegated now. a lot of fans start scaremongering about relegation during the season, its a bit of a stretch to do so after the season has finished and we stayed up Not often I agree with you Pilch but I do here. In my mind we were never in any serious relegation fight, but that was more to do with how inept the opposition were rather than how we were.
|
|
|
Post by staffordshrew on May 10, 2024 11:30:21 GMT 1
a lot of fans start scaremongering about relegation during the season, its a bit of a stretch to do so after the season has finished and we stayed up Not often I agree with you Pilch but I do here. In my mind we were never in any serious relegation fight, but that was more to do with how inept the opposition were rather than how we were. And the best bit is we knew last season was going to be hard, picking up the pieces from a major upheaval. Now we have a Liam, Moore, Hurst, Doig, things look so much more settled. Let's see what they can do for us this season.
|
|
|
Post by ProudSalopian on May 10, 2024 11:40:26 GMT 1
Nothing wrong with wanting a little excitement, but demanding change because of it is perhaps less helpful. I get what you are saying and there plenty of clubs who have got rid of managers because they want more excitement, only for it to backfire on them. But we aren't replacing a manager here, this is about ownership. I said a few weeks ago that apart from that one season under Hurst, we have generally strugled in L1, since coming up our finishes have been 20th, 18th, 3rd, 18th, 15th, 17th, 18th, 12th and 19th. That really is a terrible record and it's not as simple as saying that fans want excitement, fans want to see progression and we aren't geting that, we are generally plodding along with no idea of what our ambition/strategy is. And as we've struggled in L1, its clear to me that is partly because Roland doesn't have the finances to take us any further (not a criticism, just a fact) As well as the on field dullness, there's then a whole raft of stuff off the field where I think we are stuck in the past and that's a big factor as to why I'd like someone new take over. Yes of course there's risks with new people coming in, but I'd argue that's not a reason to continue with our current approach
|
|
|
Post by hectord0g137 on May 10, 2024 11:49:42 GMT 1
Mmmmm🤔 not as terrible as the 18? Teams that have been relegated in that time me thinks
|
|
|
Post by staffordshrew on May 10, 2024 11:55:28 GMT 1
Nothing wrong with wanting a little excitement, but demanding change because of it is perhaps less helpful. I get what you are saying and there plenty of clubs who have got rid of managers because they want more excitement, only for it to backfire on them. But we aren't replacing a manager here, this is about ownership. I said a few weeks ago that apart from that one season under Hurst, we have generally strugled in L1, since coming up our finishes have been 20th, 18th, 3rd, 18th, 15th, 17th, 18th, 12th and 19th. That really is a terrible record and it's not as simple as saying that fans want excitement, fans want to see progression and we aren't geting that, we are generally plodding along with no idea of what our ambition/strategy is. And as we've struggled in L1, its clear to me that is partly because Roland doesn't have the finances to take us any further (not a criticism, just a fact) As well as the on field dullness, there's then a whole raft of stuff off the field where I think we are stuck in the past and that's a big factor as to why I'd like someone new take over. Yes of course there's risks with new people coming in, but I'd argue that's not a reason to continue with our current approach We are told that the club is for sale. But, after all those years of relative safety for our club, the incumbent Chairman has the right to choose to ensure whoever buys is someone he feels is "right" for the future of the club.
|
|
|
Post by gtismygod on May 10, 2024 12:11:19 GMT 1
Nothing wrong with wanting a little excitement, but demanding change because of it is perhaps less helpful. I get what you are saying and there plenty of clubs who have got rid of managers because they want more excitement, only for it to backfire on them. But we aren't replacing a manager here, this is about ownership. I said a few weeks ago that apart from that one season under Hurst, we have generally strugled in L1, since coming up our finishes have been 20th, 18th, 3rd, 18th, 15th, 17th, 18th, 12th and 19th. That really is a terrible record and it's not as simple as saying that fans want excitement, fans want to see progression and we aren't geting that, we are generally plodding along with no idea of what our ambition/strategy is. And as we've struggled in L1, its clear to me that is partly because Roland doesn't have the finances to take us any further (not a criticism, just a fact) As well as the on field dullness, there's then a whole raft of stuff off the field where I think we are stuck in the past and that's a big factor as to why I'd like someone new take over. Yes of course there's risks with new people coming in, but I'd argue that's not a reason to continue with our current approach We’ve consistently struggled in League One because we’ve consistently had one of the smallest average attendances and one of the smallest budgets in the division. We’ve actually done really well not to finish in the bottom for ten(?) consecutive seasons considering our budget is typically probably around 16-20th. But we definitely need change at the top if we’re going to move forwards as a club.
|
|
|
Post by wakemanender on May 10, 2024 12:48:46 GMT 1
Not scare mongering at all saying that we would be relegated now if we had needed points from the Orient game. Just replying to another post referring to the great escape Exeter game where we needed a performance and got one. If we had needed a performance against Orient we wouldn't have got one. Supporters very often refer to the Exeter game. No scare mongering accusations there.
|
|
|
Post by Pilch on May 10, 2024 13:30:40 GMT 1
Nothing wrong with wanting a little excitement, but demanding change because of it is perhaps less helpful. I get what you are saying and there plenty of clubs who have got rid of managers because they want more excitement, only for it to backfire on them. But we aren't replacing a manager here, this is about ownership. I said a few weeks ago that apart from that one season under Hurst, we have generally strugled in L1, since coming up our finishes have been 20th, 18th, 3rd, 18th, 15th, 17th, 18th, 12th and 19th. That really is a terrible record and it's not as simple as saying that fans want excitement, fans want to see progression and we aren't geting that, we are generally plodding along with no idea of what our ambition/strategy is. And as we've struggled in L1, its clear to me that is partly because Roland doesn't have the finances to take us any further (not a criticism, just a fact) As well as the on field dullness, there's then a whole raft of stuff off the field where I think we are stuck in the past and that's a big factor as to why I'd like someone new take over. Yes of course there's risks with new people coming in, but I'd argue that's not a reason to continue with our current approach we need a hero like Fred Davies league 1, 18th 18th 24th oh the good old days ;-)
|
|
|
Post by vladimir on May 10, 2024 13:46:15 GMT 1
I get what you are saying and there plenty of clubs who have got rid of managers because they want more excitement, only for it to backfire on them. But we aren't replacing a manager here, this is about ownership. I said a few weeks ago that apart from that one season under Hurst, we have generally strugled in L1, since coming up our finishes have been 20th, 18th, 3rd, 18th, 15th, 17th, 18th, 12th and 19th. That really is a terrible record and it's not as simple as saying that fans want excitement, fans want to see progression and we aren't geting that, we are generally plodding along with no idea of what our ambition/strategy is. And as we've struggled in L1, its clear to me that is partly because Roland doesn't have the finances to take us any further (not a criticism, just a fact) As well as the on field dullness, there's then a whole raft of stuff off the field where I think we are stuck in the past and that's a big factor as to why I'd like someone new take over. Yes of course there's risks with new people coming in, but I'd argue that's not a reason to continue with our current approach We’ve consistently struggled in League One because we’ve consistently had one of the smallest average attendances and one of the smallest budgets in the division. We’ve actually done really well not to finish in the bottom for ten(?) consecutive seasons considering our budget is typically probably around 16-20th. But we definitely need change at the top if we’re going to move forwards as a club. Not entirely true. We've broadly underperformed our average attendance in the league (usually between 14-16th) since our return to league one. I think the general point has been we've been financially tightly managed (now gone) for years and as such bar one season of near brilliance we'v totally stagnated. Have hopes Hurst can jump start us if RW remains, but would certainly like to see new ownership or at least some form of investment in ASAP.
|
|
|
Post by ssshrew on May 10, 2024 14:38:33 GMT 1
I get what you are saying and there plenty of clubs who have got rid of managers because they want more excitement, only for it to backfire on them. But we aren't replacing a manager here, this is about ownership. I said a few weeks ago that apart from that one season under Hurst, we have generally strugled in L1, since coming up our finishes have been 20th, 18th, 3rd, 18th, 15th, 17th, 18th, 12th and 19th. That really is a terrible record and it's not as simple as saying that fans want excitement, fans want to see progression and we aren't geting that, we are generally plodding along with no idea of what our ambition/strategy is. And as we've struggled in L1, its clear to me that is partly because Roland doesn't have the finances to take us any further (not a criticism, just a fact) As well as the on field dullness, there's then a whole raft of stuff off the field where I think we are stuck in the past and that's a big factor as to why I'd like someone new take over. Yes of course there's risks with new people coming in, but I'd argue that's not a reason to continue with our current approach we need a hero like Fred Davies league 1, 18th 18th 24th oh the good old days ;-) We could certainly do with a Fred Davies team of players that’s for sure.
|
|
|
Post by chirkshrew on May 10, 2024 16:30:16 GMT 1
Yep....there was some good players in Fred's team..... especially Wayne Clarke.....class act....like his brothers Alan,and frank👍👍
|
|