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Post by Pilch on May 28, 2024 7:14:57 GMT 1
Roland admits his biggest mistake in running the club was employing steve cotterill And yet are there any town fans out there who moaned the day he was appointed ? I only remember it being seen as a great move Hindsight eh , even took me a short while to realised it was a mistake , some still haven't clocked on yet The response to Cotterill being appointed was positive but this was the thread asking who fans wanted to replace Ricketts, there's not too many people clamouring for Cotterill. The man who wanted Cotterill was Roland, he had known him for a long time and despite being a bully/dinosaur (your words), Roland thought he was the right man for Shrewsbury Town FC. The appointment and subsequent events are on Roland and no one else. blueandamber.proboards.com/thread/101042/who?page=1Gosh yes you are right , no one wanted cotterill What a crazy decision from the chairman to go against the fans and appoint a manager no one wnanted 🙃
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Post by davycrockett on May 28, 2024 8:39:33 GMT 1
The response to Cotterill being appointed was positive but this was the thread asking who fans wanted to replace Ricketts, there's not too many people clamouring for Cotterill. The man who wanted Cotterill was Roland, he had known him for a long time and despite being a bully/dinosaur (your words), Roland thought he was the right man for Shrewsbury Town FC. The appointment and subsequent events are on Roland and no one else. blueandamber.proboards.com/thread/101042/who?page=1Gosh yes you are right , no one wanted cotterill What a crazy decision from the chairman to go against the fans and appoint a manager no one wnanted 🙃 Cotterill wasn’t on the fans radar, solely down to our chairman (who sacked Askey and Ricketts too) who employed him then failed to control him (changed to Umbro with RWs blessing not the fans)…..all at a cost north of £1 million!
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on May 28, 2024 8:50:45 GMT 1
so lets get this right in January you were happy to declare that tweet was from James Hughes, who as we see claims he offered £11.5m to buy the club today , you claim this mans own son , tells you his dad offered £10m who is right, James or his Son ? Answers or guesses please ! Different accounts mate 😂😉 I'm not Floreatsalopia1. Nice try, sorry. And I'm not on about James Hughes either. Whether that was James Hughes or not I've no idea but the deal in question was the Swedish one. I'm not aware James Hughes has ever bid for the club. He did serve a decade as a director though which is some sort of record.
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Post by FloreatShrew on May 28, 2024 9:32:32 GMT 1
Different accounts mate 😂😉 I'm not Floreatsalopia1. Nice try, sorry. And I'm not on about James Hughes either. Whether that was James Hughes or not I've no idea but the deal in question was the Swedish one. I'm not aware James Hughes has ever bid for the club. He did serve a decade as a director though which is some sort of record. It was, with Delves fronting it.
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Post by Pilch on May 28, 2024 9:33:47 GMT 1
Whether that was James Hughes or not I've no idea but the deal in question was the Swedish one. I'm not aware James Hughes has ever bid for the club. He did serve a decade as a director though which is some sort of record. It was, with Delves fronting it. delves was offered the club for £8m , ask him
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Post by Pilch on May 28, 2024 9:35:12 GMT 1
Different accounts mate 😂😉 I'm not Floreatsalopia1. Nice try, sorry. And I'm not on about James Hughes either. Whether that was James Hughes or not I've no idea but the deal in question was the Swedish one. I'm not aware James Hughes has ever bid for the club. He did serve a decade as a director though which is some sort of record. I dont think he has either, last I heard he would only put money in if he received double the value in shares in return for it
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Post by Pilch on May 28, 2024 9:39:01 GMT 1
Gosh yes you are right , no one wanted cotterill What a crazy decision from the chairman to go against the fans and appoint a manager no one wnanted 🙃 Cotterill wasn’t on the fans radar, solely down to our chairman (who sacked Askey and Ricketts too) who employed him then failed to control him (changed to Umbro with RWs blessing not the fans)…..all at a cost north of £1 million! we all know that, I was just making a joke of someone suggesting "there's wasnt too many people clamouring for Cotterill". not sure where we are meant to be going with that one, I mean there wasnt many interested in Pep either at the time
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Post by floreatsalopia1 on May 28, 2024 12:04:12 GMT 1
It was, with Delves fronting it. delves was offered the club for £8m , ask him It was offered to Delves for 8m but when RW realised he had backers it was increased to 10m and then 11.5m.. Is that OK with you 😉
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Post by Pilch on May 28, 2024 13:05:41 GMT 1
delves was offered the club for £8m , ask him It was offered to Delves for 8m but when RW realised he had backers it was increased to 10m and then 11.5m.. Is that OK with you 😉 backers as in the swedes , who later rolled back in on their own thinking the £8m offer applied to them without delves , and they wanted exclusive talks I think the chairman couldn't understand why delves didn't just buy the club and then involve the swedes later i tend to agree
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Post by floreatsalopia1 on May 28, 2024 13:31:05 GMT 1
It was offered to Delves for 8m but when RW realised he had backers it was increased to 10m and then 11.5m.. Is that OK with you 😉 backers as in the swedes , who later rolled back in on their own thinking the £8m offer applied to them without delves , and they wanted exclusive talks I think the chairman couldn't understand why delves didn't just buy the club and then involve the swedes later i tend to agree U agree with the club..there's a surprise.
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Post by Pilch on May 28, 2024 13:56:24 GMT 1
backers as in the swedes , who later rolled back in on their own thinking the £8m offer applied to them without delves , and they wanted exclusive talks I think the chairman couldn't understand why delves didn't just buy the club and then involve the swedes later i tend to agree U agree with the club..there's a surprise. sorry to surprise you
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Post by davycrockett on May 28, 2024 14:02:44 GMT 1
Whether that was James Hughes or not I've no idea but the deal in question was the Swedish one. I'm not aware James Hughes has ever bid for the club. He did serve a decade as a director though which is some sort of record. I dont think he has either, last I heard he would only put money in if he received double the value in shares in return for it Erm doesn’t Roland want more than double the value of his shares if he sells them?
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Post by Pilch on May 28, 2024 14:21:02 GMT 1
I dont think he has either, last I heard he would only put money in if he received double the value in shares in return for it Erm doesn’t Roland want more than double the value of his shares if he sells them? do you own any shares ? Would you give me 2 for the price of 1 ?
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Post by tarporleyblue on May 28, 2024 14:53:45 GMT 1
delves was offered the club for £8m , ask him It was offered to Delves for 8m but when RW realised he had backers it was increased to 10m and then 11.5m.. Is that OK with you 😉 All said and done an opportunity lost to secure the future of our club.
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Post by DiglisShrew on May 28, 2024 14:54:17 GMT 1
Erm doesn’t Roland want more than double the value of his shares if he sells them? do you own any shares ? Would you give me 2 for the price of 1 ? Think you can forget the base cost of £2.50 as a comparison of potential return because as far as I know they’ve never been revalued. More relevant is what percentage return will the chairman will the chairman eventually receive compared to his actual investments over the years. Whether £8m or £12m it will all have been worthwhile I guess. 🤔
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Post by Pilch on May 28, 2024 15:02:26 GMT 1
It was offered to Delves for 8m but when RW realised he had backers it was increased to 10m and then 11.5m.. Is that OK with you 😉 All said and done an opportunity lost to secure the future of our club. I agree , delves missed out there on a great opportunity , he should have been more ambitious , isn't that what we want ?
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Post by davycrockett on May 28, 2024 15:29:14 GMT 1
Erm doesn’t Roland want more than double the value of his shares if he sells them? do you own any shares ? Would you give me 2 for the price of 1 ? You didn’t answer the question? I’m not trying to raise capital but often shareholders will be rewarded with a 2 for 1 loyalty share offer in times when companies are trying to raise capital quickly. A bit like discounting the price for an investing director.
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Post by davycrockett on May 28, 2024 15:31:48 GMT 1
All said and done an opportunity lost to secure the future of our club. I agree , delves missed out there on a great opportunity , he should have been more ambitious , isn't that what we want ? And Roland would have the £10 million he want (£8 million plus the £2 million he’s loaned this year)
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Post by Pilch on May 28, 2024 15:59:41 GMT 1
I agree , delves missed out there on a great opportunity , he should have been more ambitious , isn't that what we want ? And Roland would have the £10 million he want (£8 million plus the £2 million he’s loaned this year) The price was £8m to delves, I think the additional £2m has been put in since delves pulled out , I think delves spotted the irregularities /problems at the time and probably a big factor in him pulling out as it might have been him trying to keep us afloat instead We could have been in a worse situation now , we'll never know
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Post by venceremos on May 28, 2024 16:42:52 GMT 1
Whether that was James Hughes or not I've no idea but the deal in question was the Swedish one. I'm not aware James Hughes has ever bid for the club. He did serve a decade as a director though which is some sort of record. I dont think he has either, last I heard he would only put money in if he received double the value in shares in return for it That makes no sense. The shares aren't quoted on any market so they have no objective value, except what a buyer and seller agree as the price. If Hughes wanted " double the value" that must mean he valued the shares at half the price he was being quoted. The buyer's offer and the seller's price aren't "the value" unless they both agree on the same figure.
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Post by Pilch on May 28, 2024 16:59:05 GMT 1
I dont think he has either, last I heard he would only put money in if he received double the value in shares in return for it That makes no sense. The shares aren't quoted on any market so they have no objective value, except what a buyer and seller agree as the price. If Hughes wanted " double the value" that must mean he valued the shares at half the price he was being quoted. The buyer's offer and the seller's price aren't "the value" unless they both agree on the same figure. I believe it was just for a new cash injection , in relation to his previous one
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on May 28, 2024 17:05:57 GMT 1
Erm doesn’t Roland want more than double the value of his shares if he sells them? do you own any shares ? Would you give me 2 for the price of 1 ? Was it offered or asked for? Why would RW offer more shares and water down the value of his own holding? The truth remains that no interest becomes a sale and no former director and very few ex members of staff have anything good to say. I see two former staff members on the school run every day. They're everywhere. RW can't control the narrative outside his close circle. His close circle gets smaller every year. That's why no-one believes the story. Nor will anyone speak out against him because then you're banned from attending/from the sovereign club. He's got all the levers of power in the conversation. So people just disappear into the shadows and gripe about him.
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Post by Pilch on May 28, 2024 18:43:12 GMT 1
do you own any shares ? Would you give me 2 for the price of 1 ? Was it offered or asked for? Why would RW offer more shares and water down the value of his own holding? The truth remains that no interest becomes a sale and no former director and very few ex members of staff have anything good to say. I see two former staff members on the school run every day. They're everywhere. RW can't control the narrative outside his close circle. His close circle gets smaller every year. That's why no-one believes the story. Nor will anyone speak out against him because then you're banned from attending/from the sovereign club. He's got all the levers of power in the conversation. So people just disappear into the shadows and gripe about him. but youve just invented a new part to the story and then dismissed it who's banned from the Sov club ? how about you start doubting God, and see how long you last in your job ;-)
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Post by DiglisShrew on May 28, 2024 18:54:10 GMT 1
Was it offered or asked for? Why would RW offer more shares and water down the value of his own holding? The truth remains that no interest becomes a sale and no former director and very few ex members of staff have anything good to say. I see two former staff members on the school run every day. They're everywhere. RW can't control the narrative outside his close circle. His close circle gets smaller every year. That's why no-one believes the story. Nor will anyone speak out against him because then you're banned from attending/from the sovereign club. He's got all the levers of power in the conversation. So people just disappear into the shadows and gripe about him. but youve just invented a new part to the story and then dismissed it who's banned from the Sov club ? how about you start doubting God, and see how long you last in your job ;-) Pilch I’ve heard a totally different explanation for JH departure but will not post it because I’ve no evidence it’s true. Who told you about the “2 for 1” share demand and what evidence do you have please ? Why should we believe it ?
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Post by Pilch on May 28, 2024 18:58:52 GMT 1
but youve just invented a new part to the story and then dismissed it who's banned from the Sov club ? how about you start doubting God, and see how long you last in your job ;-) Pilch I’ve heard a totally different explanation for JH departure but will not post it because I’ve no evidence it’s true. Who told you about the “2 for 1” share demand and what evidence do you have please ? Why should we believe it ? if I brought you it in black and white written by whoever told me you would still not believe it so what's the point ? you ask the same question every time I post, you only ask me though for what its worth I dont even know why James Hughes left, I've no idea and haven't even put forward an opinion on it
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Post by DiglisShrew on May 28, 2024 19:08:08 GMT 1
Pilch I’ve heard a totally different explanation for JH departure but will not post it because I’ve no evidence it’s true. Who told you about the “2 for 1” share demand and what evidence do you have please ? Why should we believe it ? if I brought you it in black and white written by whoever told me you would still not believe it so what's the point ? you ask the same question every time I post, you only ask me though for what its worth I dont even know why James Hughes left, I've no idea and haven't even put forward an opinion on it Of course I would !! I just like to know that what I’m being told is true or at least the source. I “always ask the same question “ because you never say where and how strong your information is. When you’re called out on something that is clearly wrong you suggest you said it as “ just a joke” to see if “the usual crowd” react ! For instance you have overlooked to answer my RW “worst mistake” queries ? I asked that because this I don’t recall it being said at the AGM or in the Chairman's report .
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Post by Pilch on May 28, 2024 19:12:37 GMT 1
if I brought you it in black and white written by whoever told me you would still not believe it so what's the point ? you ask the same question every time I post, you only ask me though for what its worth I dont even know why James Hughes left, I've no idea and haven't even put forward an opinion on it Of course I would !! I just like to know that what I’m being told is true or at least the source. I “always ask the same question “ because you never say where and how strong your information is. When you’re called out on something that is clearly wrong you suggest you said it as “ just a joke” to see if “the usual crowd” react ! For instance you have overlooked to answer my RW “worst mistake” queries ? I asked that because this I don’t recall it being said at the AGM or in the Chairman's report . "just a joke". " to see how “the usual crowd” react ? after being called out for being wrong really, can you give an example because thats quite a claim ?
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Post by DiglisShrew on May 28, 2024 19:27:37 GMT 1
Of course I would !! I just like to know that what I’m being told is true or at least the source. I “always ask the same question “ because you never say where and how strong your information is. When you’re called out on something that is clearly wrong you suggest you said it as “ just a joke” to see if “the usual crowd” react ! For instance you have overlooked to answer my RW “worst mistake” queries ? I asked that because this I don’t recall it being said at the AGM or in the Chairman's report . "just a joke". " to see how “the usual crowd” react ? after being called out for being wrong really, can you give an example because thats quite a claim ? I’ll show you an example next time we meet over a pint as in another thread . You can answer my questions at the same time 🤔😉 PS thank you for the pints 🍻 on Saturday!!
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Post by Pilch on May 28, 2024 19:30:08 GMT 1
"just a joke". " to see how “the usual crowd” react ? after being called out for being wrong really, can you give an example because thats quite a claim ? I’ll show you an example next time we meet over a pint as in another thread . You can answer my questions at the same time 🤔😉 PS thank you for the pints 🍻 on Saturday!! possibly out a week on sat
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on May 29, 2024 7:15:05 GMT 1
Was it offered or asked for? Why would RW offer more shares and water down the value of his own holding? The truth remains that no interest becomes a sale and no former director and very few ex members of staff have anything good to say. I see two former staff members on the school run every day. They're everywhere. RW can't control the narrative outside his close circle. His close circle gets smaller every year. That's why no-one believes the story. Nor will anyone speak out against him because then you're banned from attending/from the sovereign club. He's got all the levers of power in the conversation. So people just disappear into the shadows and gripe about him. but youve just invented a new part to the story and then dismissed it who's banned from the Sov club ? how about you start doubting God, and see how long you last in your job ;-) Perhaps banned is the wrong word. "It would be made almost impossible to attend." But why do you bring my job into it? You literally wrote the rule that says "play the man not the ball".
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