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Post by Pilch on Apr 6, 2024 22:59:17 GMT 1
Interesting that Charles Breakspear has been the ref in charge of the Pompey vs Shrewsbury fixture at Fratton park for 3 of the 7 seasons since Portsmouth return to Lge one, heβs also officiated one fixture at salop over the same period, so 4 games in total out of a possible 14. Bit weird out of interest which games ?
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Post by ProudSalopian on Apr 7, 2024 7:47:32 GMT 1
I watched the game on Ifollow, was interesting to sit back and watch the game from outside of it. I watched it with a friend (not a Town fan) who spent the first 15 minutes laughing at how many times we attempted a pass but ended up hitting it out of play.
It's of course difficult to be critical when you are playing the champions elect and are victims of a disgraceful decision with the penalty. But I came across a Pompey fan online who I thought summed us up, he said we were the worst side he has seen since Pompey have been in L1 (I thought that was harsh) but said it was if our sole plan was for Pompey to have the ball, once we had it, we didn't know what to do with it. I find that difficult to argue with and that has been the case for a while, we are such a poor footballing side and whilst there are glimpses of what the players can do, they are few & far between.
I think we are all expecting a major overhaul this summer and we drastically need it.
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Post by dibblydobbly on Apr 7, 2024 8:01:35 GMT 1
I watched the game on Ifollow, was interesting to sit back and watch the game from outside of it. I watched it with a friend (not a Town fan) who spent the first 15 minutes laughing at how many times we attempted a pass but ended up hitting it out of play. It's of course difficult to be critical when you are playing the champions elect and are victims of a disgraceful decision with the penalty. But I came across a Pompey fan online who I thought summed us up, he said we were the worst side he has seen since Pompey have been in L1 (I thought that was harsh) but said it was if our sole plan was for Pompey to have the ball, once we had it, we didn't know what to do with it. I find that difficult to argue with and that has been the case for a while, we are such a poor footballing side and whilst there are glimpses of what the players can do, they are few & far between. I think we are all expecting a major overhaul this summer and we drastically need it. I was there and would echo what others have said, surprised we got to 1all then until the penalty it was not that bad: 11 hours ago MartinB said: After first 20 mins we created the better chances. It Portsmouth 70 minutes to have their 3rd shot on target. In fact between the 6th and 70th minute their only shot on target was the penalty. We could easily have been 3-2. Great you can get man of the match for taking a penalty and having 1 other shot. Shows how little Portsmouth created. I kind of agree, and im not sure whether to have a go at Dan Udoh or not, he should have scored first half, made a mess of a great chance 2nd half , and had another shot that was well blocked, we could have been hailing him the hat trick hero, but wasnt to be, I think I'll give him the benefit and say he was in the right place at the right time and at least bought tickets for the raffle , maybe next time they go in
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Apr 7, 2024 8:06:42 GMT 1
After first 20 mins we created the better chances. It Portsmouth 70 minutes to have their 3rd shot on target. In fact between the 6th and 70th minute their only shot on target was the penalty. We could easily have been 3-2. Great you can get man of the match for taking a penalty and having 1 other shot. Shows how little Portsmouth created. Sadly for town though, that player stuck the ball in the net twice. Something a town player hasn't done at all this season in the league
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Post by belfastshrew on Apr 7, 2024 8:40:44 GMT 1
that player stuck the ball in the net twice. Something a town player hasn't done at all this season in the league That true? What a stat π¬
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Post by davycrockett on Apr 7, 2024 8:49:29 GMT 1
Big crowd for the referee to star in front of today. Penalty aside (I can see why he gave it but he was conned by a cheat) I thought he was a vast improvement on the refs we have had in recent weeks. I suppose itβs some time since weβve had a player who goes down easily to get us penalties. Whalley and Grant were our past masters. Not a dive but drop as soon as you feel the players contact, give the ref a decision to make, maybe some need to learn.
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Post by bertymax on Apr 7, 2024 8:54:42 GMT 1
Interesting that Charles Breakspear has been the ref in charge of the Pompey vs Shrewsbury fixture at Fratton park for 3 of the 7 seasons since Portsmouth return to Lge one, heβs also officiated one fixture at salop over the same period, so 4 games in total out of a possible 14. Bit weird out of interest which games ? 2018/19β¦1-1. awarded pompey 87th min penalty 2019/20β¦1-0 (at New Meadow) 2020/21β¦0-0 sent off Pierre in 90th minute 2023/24β¦3-1
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Post by Valerioch on Apr 7, 2024 8:56:54 GMT 1
Penalty aside (I can see why he gave it but he was conned by a cheat) I thought he was a vast improvement on the refs we have had in recent weeks.Β I suppose itβs some time since weβve had a player who goes down easily to get us penalties. Whalley and Grant were our past masters. Not a dive but drop as soon as you feel the players contact, give the ref a decision to make, maybe some need to learn. The only people who need to learn are the p**s poor referees, hundreds of us travel 400+ round miles to be shafted like thatβ¦ boils my p**s how incompetent officials are Overall we did alright. It was a really slow first 20 mins, and you canβt start like that. Once we actually settled and got the ball on the deck a bit, we played some okay football in spells. It was a very nice goal we scored Udoh missing a 1 on 1 to make it 2-2 was crucial, Fratton Park went quiet for 20 mins second half and it felt nervy at 2-1. We were well in the game. A class goal from Pompey killed it off at 3-1. Lovely ball through by a certain Christian Saydee
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Post by pughywasfree on Apr 7, 2024 9:15:47 GMT 1
I suppose itβs some time since weβve had a player who goes down easily to get us penalties. Whalley and Grant were our past masters. Not a dive but drop as soon as you feel the players contact, give the ref a decision to make, maybe some need to learn. The only people who need to learn are the p**s poor referees, hundreds of us travel 400+ round miles to be shafted like thatβ¦ boils my p**s how incompetent officials are Overall we did alright. It was a really slow first 20 mins, and you canβt start like that. Once we actually settled and got the ball on the deck a bit, we played some okay football in spells. It was a very nice goal we scored Udoh missing a 1 on 1 to make it 2-2 was crucial, Fratton Park went quiet for 20 mins second half and it felt nervy at 2-1. We were well in the game. A class goal from Pompey killed it off at 3-1. Lovely ball through by a certain Christian Saydee It's a real shame Saydee and Udoh never got chance to build a partnership last season. They would have been a terrifying combo for any defence.
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Apr 7, 2024 11:58:27 GMT 1
I suppose itβs some time since weβve had a player who goes down easily to get us penalties. Whalley and Grant were our past masters. Not a dive but drop as soon as you feel the players contact, give the ref a decision to make, maybe some need to learn. The only people who need to learn are the p**s poor referees, hundreds of us travel 400+ round miles to be shafted like thatβ¦ boils my p**s how incompetent officials are Overall we did alright. It was a really slow first 20 mins, and you canβt start like that. Once we actually settled and got the ball on the deck a bit, we played some okay football in spells. It was a very nice goal we scored Udoh missing a 1 on 1 to make it 2-2 was crucial, Fratton Park went quiet for 20 mins second half and it felt nervy at 2-1. We were well in the game. A class goal from Pompey killed it off at 3-1. Lovely ball through by a certain Christian Saydee Who the hell would want to be a referee? An incredibly hard job making things objective that aren't, hugely partisan audience, rules changing all over the place, verbally abused by all and sundry and paid less than any of the players. I'm surprised they aren't worse
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Post by davycrockett on Apr 7, 2024 12:04:35 GMT 1
The only people who need to learn are the p**s poor referees, hundreds of us travel 400+ round miles to be shafted like thatβ¦ boils my p**s how incompetent officials are Overall we did alright. It was a really slow first 20 mins, and you canβt start like that. Once we actually settled and got the ball on the deck a bit, we played some okay football in spells. It was a very nice goal we scored Udoh missing a 1 on 1 to make it 2-2 was crucial, Fratton Park went quiet for 20 mins second half and it felt nervy at 2-1. We were well in the game. A class goal from Pompey killed it off at 3-1. Lovely ball through by a certain Christian Saydee Who the hell would want to be a referee? An incredibly hard job making things objective that aren't, hugely partisan audience, rules changing all over the place, verbally abused by all and sundry and paid less than any of the players. I'm surprised they aren't worse You forgot about the 22 players trying to get one over the referee then complaining when the opposition manage it. Iβve watched it over and over and still canβt decide. Our fans were the far end of the ground and were convinced it wasnβt a pen immediately . The ref only has one chance. The secret is for everyone to turn up and make The Meadow βpartisanβ.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 7, 2024 12:06:03 GMT 1
Udohs first touch has been dire all season, he also does not seem to be on the same wavelength as the players around him.
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Apr 7, 2024 12:14:32 GMT 1
that player stuck the ball in the net twice. Something a town player hasn't done at all this season in the league That true? What a stat π¬ Indeed. Town have only scored more than once in 7 league games and in those it's been different scorers each time. Bowman did it in the cup against Notts Co, but he hasn't even managed 2 league goals this season never mind in the same game. Not surprising though. Town average 0.73 goals a league game this season. The smallest goals per game ratio of all the clubs in the top 7 leagues of England (from EPL to National League North & South). Hurst has made it slightly better but even in his games they still average under a goal a game.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 7, 2024 12:15:45 GMT 1
Looking at points from the last three games and looking at the teams below us. Town 2 points Cambridge 6 points and a game in han port vale ,4 points and a game in hand Burton 1 point Cheltenham 3 points and two games in hand Cheltenham are playing Carlisle in the week a draw would be the best result and you hope Peterborough could beat port vale
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Apr 7, 2024 12:18:27 GMT 1
Who the hell would want to be a referee? An incredibly hard job making things objective that aren't, hugely partisan audience, rules changing all over the place, verbally abused by all and sundry and paid less than any of the players. I'm surprised they aren't worse You forgot about the 22 players trying to get one over the referee then complaining when the opposition manage it. Iβve watched it over and over and still canβt decide. Our fans were the far end of the ground and were convinced it wasnβt a pen immediately . The ref only has one chance. The secret is for everyone to turn up and make The Meadow βpartisanβ. Indeed. Very few decisions are easy to make. It's all subjective based on lots of variables, which the ref has to make in a snapshot. I saw some footage from a player wearing a body cam a while ago and the speed at which players move is astonishing when you are in the thick of it. And that's all the ref is able to see, and has to make an immediate judgement
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Post by belfastshrew on Apr 7, 2024 12:20:56 GMT 1
Refs are a catch 22 aren't they. Mistakes = abuse = no new refs = decline in quality = mistakes
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Apr 7, 2024 12:37:06 GMT 1
Looking at points from the last three games and looking at the teams below us. Town 2 points Cambridge 6 points and a game in han port vale ,4 points and a game in hand Burton 1 point Cheltenham 3 points and two games in hand Cheltenham are playing Carlisle in the week a draw would be the best result and you hope Peterborough could beat port vale Sod Cheltenham and Carlisle drawing. Carlisle win every time, they cant catch us if they win every game.
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Post by wakemanender on Apr 7, 2024 12:39:06 GMT 1
Town play Wycombe Saturday after Wycombe play twice this week so they should be tired. Wycombe then travel to Port Vale on the tuesday. You would expect both town and Vale to pick up max points. Extra time at Wembley today for Wycombe would also help.
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Post by davycrockett on Apr 7, 2024 12:49:49 GMT 1
Town play Wycombe Saturday after Wycombe play twice this week so they should be tired. Wycombe then travel to Port Vale on the tuesday. You would expect both town and Vale to pick up max points. Extra time at Wembley today for Wycombe would also help. Derby at Home Wednesday which is even better for us π
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Apr 7, 2024 12:53:37 GMT 1
Town play Wycombe Saturday after Wycombe play twice this week so they should be tired. Wycombe then travel to Port Vale on the tuesday. You would expect both town and Vale to pick up max points. Extra time at Wembley today for Wycombe would also help. You putting money of Wycombe being more tired than we are in the last 30 mins? Based on our fitness all season it might not be so. Just saying.
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Post by lynch on Apr 7, 2024 12:58:19 GMT 1
It's desperate stuff when hoping the opposition are more tired than us π
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 7, 2024 13:02:20 GMT 1
It's desperate stuff when hoping the opposition are more tired than us π We have not taken control over our own destiny and we now in a situation we're we have to hope the teams below us lose and we scrape a point.
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Post by secretshrew on Apr 7, 2024 13:05:53 GMT 1
Udohs first touch has been dire all season, he also does not seem to be on the same wavelength as the players around him. I think weβll see Udoh here next season, but not in a town shirt.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 7, 2024 13:06:49 GMT 1
It's desperate stuff when hoping the opposition are more tired than us π We have not taken control over our own destiny and we now in a situation we're we have to hope the teams below us lose and we scrape a point. In the form table port vale have overtake us and Cambridge have nearly caught us up.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 7, 2024 13:09:02 GMT 1
Town play Wycombe Saturday after Wycombe play twice this week so they should be tired. Wycombe then travel to Port Vale on the tuesday. You would expect both town and Vale to pick up max points. Extra time at Wembley today for Wycombe would also help. I realised this too yesterday , I really hope Wycombe win today just so they go in a bender , and then playing derby on weds , they will be dead in their feet Thursday and won't envy playing for what is actually a real 3 game week , and of course we'll have leahy back here who will be too busy waving to town fans to concentrate on the game π nice straight forward victory for us π€ͺ
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 7, 2024 13:10:13 GMT 1
We have not taken control over our own destiny and we now in a situation we're we have to hope the teams below us lose and we scrape a point. In the form table port vale have overtake us and Cambridge have nearly caught us up. We badly need to beat Wycombe but I'm sure some ne will have stats to hand but my impression is we don't tend to do well against them
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Post by hectord0g137 on Apr 7, 2024 13:11:24 GMT 1
I've got this nagging feeling, and I so hope I'm wrong, but this is going down to the Orient match and a certain Mr Beckles will have the last laugh
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Post by belfastshrew on Apr 7, 2024 13:18:17 GMT 1
I'm sure some ne will have stats to hand but my impression is we don't tend to do well against them Overall record: Town wins 5 Draws 10 Wycombe wins 8 Last 5 matches record: Town 3 Draws 1 Wycombe 1
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Post by chirkshrew on Apr 7, 2024 14:13:28 GMT 1
Certainly wouldn't put a bet on us beating Wycombe.....our home record is poor....but let's hope we do,and put it to bed,once and for all
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Apr 7, 2024 14:51:25 GMT 1
Has anyone refereed a competitive match?
I lasted 45 minutes and at half time gave my whistle to the biggest moaner and told him to get on with it.
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