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Post by ssshrew on Feb 18, 2024 9:18:10 GMT 1
You may well be right but as I say he opted to come here and we are paying his wages.
As a professional he should have been doing his best for us and our club regardless of clashes with the manager.
He owes us big time.
At the end of the day the manager is the boss whether the player likes it or not and he did sign a contract.
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Post by shrewswolf on Feb 18, 2024 9:42:42 GMT 1
RE O’Brien, Hurst has alluded to the previous situation being ‘blown out of context’ and I think we do suffer from not really knowing what’s gone on. Perhaps it’s not as it seems.
I think we’ll see him start soon.
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Post by ssshrew on Feb 18, 2024 9:50:48 GMT 1
Doesn’t alter the fact he signed a contract, we pay him, and he’s done nothing for us.
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Post by pughywasfree on Feb 18, 2024 10:16:17 GMT 1
AOB body language and work ethic certainly shows he is committed. I am yet to see anything in his play to get excited about though. It was really a wow signing when he joined and it could not have gone much worse.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 18, 2024 11:22:20 GMT 1
Points under Taylor - 30 (28 games) Points under Hurst so far - 5 (5 games) Things havnt improved with the new manager so far then. 😟 Is there anything to suggest things are improving stat wise? I've had a look but its difficult to gauge as it's season stats so I can't see whether things have improved over the last few weeks. I mean possession stats, shots, shots on target etc. I'm watching the games and I feel we have improved since Hurst came in from what I am seeing but whether there are stats available that bears that out, not sure. There is this but not sure how accurate the stats are... 2023-2024 Shrewsbury Town Stats (League One)
...and not sure how far we ought to look back to compare but for sure Hurst's five to start things off with look better than the last five games under Taylor. Just the 26% possession against Posh but 43% away at Derby. If those stats are correct then we managed the highest amount of possession for the season under Hurst against Cambridge but of course we lost that one. I can't be arsed to calculate the numbers but from just looking they suggest a slight increase possession wise. And when comparing I guess we do have to factor in Hurst having one or two players returning from injury.
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Post by kenwood on Feb 18, 2024 12:15:05 GMT 1
What we cannot factor in is the players mindset . Are they more accepting of Hurst’s way of playing than Taylor’s . They certainly seem to be playing a more passing game even though their execution of this system leaves a lot to be desired at times . I would suggest playing in a system which is , can I say , likely to be more productive , even enjoyable for them , will eventually reap some benefit . Whether that within the timscale available secures us another season in League 1 or provides us with a higher chance of promotion in League 2 remains to be seen . I just think that buying into something which you believe in is more likely to produce a good result over all . I dont think the players appreciated Taylor’s way of playing .
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Post by secretshrew on Feb 18, 2024 17:21:44 GMT 1
What we cannot factor in is the players mindset . Are they more accepting of Hurst’s way of playing than Taylor’s . They certainly seem to be playing a more passing game even though their execution of this system leaves a lot to be desired at times . I would suggest playing in a system which is , can I say , likely to be more productive , even enjoyable for them , will eventually reap some benefit . Whether that within the timscale available secures us another season in League 1 or provides us with a higher chance of promotion in League 2 remains to be seen . I just think that buying into something which you believe in is more likely to produce a good result over all . I dont think the players appreciated Taylor’s way of playing . In relation to Hurst’s way of playing, am I being too skeptical in thinking that Marosi has been told not to kick it long unless absolutely necessary or is it because he’s trying to protect his hamstring?
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Post by servernaside on Feb 18, 2024 18:14:57 GMT 1
I seem to remember a certain Ivan Toney playing here for a while.
To say he was uninspiring is to put it mildly. His mind was obviously in some other place.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 18, 2024 18:26:20 GMT 1
I seem to remember a certain Ivan Toney playing here for a while. To say he was uninspiring is to put it mildly. His mind was obviously in some other place. I thought he was promising to be fair. he was putting himself about back then from the off, picked up several yellows, scored 6 goals in 19 appearances, thats like 15 a season, and he was only about 20 at the time
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Post by pughywasfree on Feb 18, 2024 18:38:48 GMT 1
I seem to remember a certain Ivan Toney playing here for a while. To say he was uninspiring is to put it mildly. His mind was obviously in some other place. I thought he was promising to be fair. he was putting himself about back then from the off, picked up several yellows, scored 6 goals in 19 appearances, thats like 15 a season, and he was only about 20 at the time He was great until he found out he was going back to his parent club then he just stopped trying. If memory serves me right he got booed off in his final appearance due to his complete disinterest and refusal to even pretend to jog.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 18, 2024 18:53:08 GMT 1
I thought he was promising to be fair. he was putting himself about back then from the off, picked up several yellows, scored 6 goals in 19 appearances, thats like 15 a season, and he was only about 20 at the time He was great until he found out he was going back to his parent club then he just stopped trying. If memory serves me right he got booed off in his final appearance due to his complete disinterest and refusal to even pretend to jog. I cant remember that, sounds almost as bad as Pennington at the end of his spell, cant wait to boo him
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Post by mrcricket on Feb 18, 2024 19:23:50 GMT 1
AOB body language and work ethic certainly shows he is committed. I am yet to see anything in his play to get excited about though. It was really a wow signing when he joined and it could not have gone much worse. AOB is always the first of the Subs out to warm up. After about 15-20 minutes he's practically trying to get on the pitch. Clapping the fans and urging the team on. Yet the cynic in me thinks he trying to win back friends and influence people and generally put himself in the shop window. This guy has gone from Ireland International to being loaned out to the bottom of the league. I think if he'd of worked for Taylor I'd be a lot less suspicious. Also as said previously. How bad must you be to not get in the current XI
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Post by Pilch on Feb 18, 2024 19:58:38 GMT 1
AOB body language and work ethic certainly shows he is committed. I am yet to see anything in his play to get excited about though. It was really a wow signing when he joined and it could not have gone much worse. AOB is always the first of the Subs out to warm up. After about 15-20 minutes he's practically trying to get on the pitch. Clapping the fans and urging the team on. Yet the cynic in me thinks he trying to win back friends and influence people and generally put himself in the shop window. This guy has gone from Ireland International to being loaned out to the bottom of the league. I think if he'd of worked for Taylor I'd be a lot less suspicious. Also as said previously. How bad must you be to not get in the current XI its a good point about obrien, I guess at this moment in time we are not really in a position to do anything with him other than try and get him to play football, and he's not in any position to do anything else but, he will likely pay the price for his 'fun and games' when his contract ends, I would say he will get a deal somewhere between the lower reaches of league 2 and macdonalds if hes lucky ;-)
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